A racist God?

[Randy Kluth]

A racist God?
I've heard non-Christians accuse Christianity of being bigoted because our beliefs view gays as sinners, or non-Christians as lost. Things like that.

And then there are legitimate Christians who read about God killing everybody in the Flood, and killing all of Israel's enemies in Canaan. They don't blink an eye reading it, but they scarcely raise a question about it being "genocide" at a Bible Study!

So let me suggest that the OT quarantine of Israel against pagan influence was not bigotry, nor racism. It was not ethnic pride. Rather, God wanted to begin His testimony of Eternal Salvation among the nations by producing in Israel the initial example of it.

To do that, He had to separate His religion from all other religions, and provide a consistent set of beliefs, which were clearly incompatible with pagan religions. And so, He did not let the people of Israel fraternize and intermarry with these pagans, so as to maintain a true testimony to who God is and what His religion comprises among the nations.

Since God planned to expand the message of His Salvation to all nations out of the testimony of Israel's national history there would come a time when Israel could fraternize and intermarry among the nations. But that was only after God's true religion had been properly sent to, so as to be received by, the nations. Then, the Jews could intermarry and fraternize with those among the nations who shared the belief in the one true God and in the one true religion.

In this, there is consistency from OT to NT. Once it came time for Israel to send the testimony of their national history under God to the nations, and the nations started receiving it, then the door was opened to international partnership between godly people of all nations and races.

This is just being true to a religion, and has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. This is the consistent standard of the God of Israel, and also of the God of Jesus.
Jesus was the important point where Israel's historical testimony came to a head, and was ready to be delivered to the nations. And that's because that was the point where Israel had so failed that pagan nations became equally qualified to receive the mercy that Israel so sorely needed.

And Jesus became the focal point giving mercy both to Israel and to the nations. They came to be viewed as standing on the same ground, equally in need of mercy.



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[GaryAnderson]

I wish we had more atheists here.

 

[TEXBOW]

A racist God?
I've heard non-Christians accuse Christianity of being bigoted because our beliefs view gays as sinners, or non-Christians as lost. Things like that.

And then there are legitimate Christians who read about God killing everybody in the Flood, and killing all of Israel's enemies in Canaan. They don't blink an eye reading it, but they scarcely raise a question about it being "genocide" at a Bible Study!

So let me suggest that the OT quarantine of Israel against pagan influence was not bigotry, nor racism. It was not ethnic pride. Rather, God wanted to begin His testimony of Eternal Salvation among the nations by producing in Israel the initial example of it.

To do that, He had to separate His religion from all other religions, and provide a consistent set of beliefs, which were clearly incompatible with pagan religions. And so, He did not let the people of Israel fraternize and intermarry with these pagans, so as to maintain a true testimony to who God is and what His religion comprises among the nations.

Since God planned to expand the message of His Salvation to all nations out of the testimony of Israel's national history there would come a time when Israel could fraternize and intermarry among the nations. But that was only after God's true religion had been properly sent to, so as to be received by, the nations. Then, the Jews could intermarry and fraternize with those among the nations who shared the belief in the one true God and in the one true religion.

In this, there is consistency from OT to NT. Once it came time for Israel to send the testimony of their national history under God to the nations, and the nations started receiving it, then the door was opened to international partnership between godly people of all nations and races.

This is just being true to a religion, and has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. This is the consistent standard of the God of Israel, and also of the God of Jesus.
Jesus was the important point where Israel's historical testimony came to a head, and was ready to be delivered to the nations. And that's because that was the point where Israel had so failed that pagan nations became equally qualified to receive the mercy that Israel so sorely needed.

And Jesus became the focal point giving mercy both to Israel and to the nations. They came to be viewed as standing on the same ground, equally in need of mercy.



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Satan always had a goal of corrupting the seed of Abraham in an effort to prevent the Savior the Messiah from his mission. I think the Flood was God's wrath to remove the corrupted seed and future instructions post-flood from God to the Israelites to destroy its enemies was much the same mission.

 

[GISMYS_7]

What kind of "unthinking person" would dare accuse the only almighty eternal living God of doing evil?? No little man can match brain power with God they lack intelligence, knowledge, wisdom and understanding!!!

 

[TEXBOW]

What kind of "unthinking person" would dare accuse the only almighty eternal God of doing evil?? No little man can match brain power with God they lack knowledge, wisdom and understanding!!!

God is not evil. Man is not equipped to understand all of God's actions and purpose. It is estimated that from the time of Adam until the Flood there were almost a billion people on the planet. God saved 8. Destroying evil is justice and love.

 

[Randy Kluth]

All reasonably good comments. Thankyou!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Racist God ? No ! not at all is he.

But nowadays Racist means something that it's not truly at all in fact.

Racist nowadays has been bastardised totally and become what's called Racial prejudice.

So when one claims Racist ! they are just simple minded idiots, why is it that people have come to believe or push this line, well it's all to do with cultural Marxism being dished up 24/7 by the Socialist who have been waging a warfare on the west from the 60's full on.
So what they do is bastardise words and over time such just comes into the norm.

I am a Racist ? because I know the difference between cultures, but under Socialism gods all people are classed equal or the same ? now this is met with a utopia ? just simple short sighted narrow minded ignorance of bliss. but what of reality ? well no one is equal or the same regardless and not even one is the same to another ever.

Racial prejudice means that one is an complete total idiot and a fool, who lives in ignorance and is a bigot.

Now understanding the working of the Devil, he uses bastardisation of words and blind ignorance to undermine. now the Marxist is a anti-Christ organisation in fact and they are the biggest bigots of all by far, you can not challenge or question Communism or Socialism because they are founded on intolerants and bigotry.

Is God a Racist ? well the Jews were never a Race in fact, but only the workings of the Devil play that stupid race card, read your Bible and you will find that what the majority call the Jews ? is just one Tribe of many Semitic Tribes in fact originally. this type of rubbish is were the superior race dribble comes from that many idolise such garbage even nowadays.
The Jews were Godless bastards until Jesus Christ went to Heaven. their were only a few people who were worthy of God before Christ Jesus and he went and brought them up. so do not idolise anyone. but nowadays people love to idolise people due to the MSM etc peddling.

Now to anyone who understands that, No one comes to the Farther but only through his only begotten Son, will know that all before this were bastards in fact. as are all who are not truly born again in fact.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

A racist God?
I've heard non-Christians accuse Christianity of being bigoted because our beliefs view gays as sinners, or non-Christians as lost. Things like that.

And then there are legitimate Christians who read about God killing everybody in the Flood, and killing all of Israel's enemies in Canaan. They don't blink an eye reading it, but they scarcely raise a question about it being "genocide" at a Bible Study!

So let me suggest that the OT quarantine of Israel against pagan influence was not bigotry, nor racism. It was not ethnic pride. Rather, God wanted to begin His testimony of Eternal Salvation among the nations by producing in Israel the initial example of it.

To do that, He had to separate His religion from all other religions, and provide a consistent set of beliefs, which were clearly incompatible with pagan religions. And so, He did not let the people of Israel fraternize and intermarry with these pagans, so as to maintain a true testimony to who God is and what His religion comprises among the nations.

Since God planned to expand the message of His Salvation to all nations out of the testimony of Israel's national history there would come a time when Israel could fraternize and intermarry among the nations. But that was only after God's true religion had been properly sent to, so as to be received by, the nations. Then, the Jews could intermarry and fraternize with those among the nations who shared the belief in the one true God and in the one true religion.

In this, there is consistency from OT to NT. Once it came time for Israel to send the testimony of their national history under God to the nations, and the nations started receiving it, then the door was opened to international partnership between godly people of all nations and races.

This is just being true to a religion, and has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. This is the consistent standard of the God of Israel, and also of the God of Jesus.
Jesus was the important point where Israel's historical testimony came to a head, and was ready to be delivered to the nations. And that's because that was the point where Israel had so failed that pagan nations became equally qualified to receive the mercy that Israel so sorely needed.

And Jesus became the focal point giving mercy both to Israel and to the nations. They came to be viewed as standing on the same ground, equally in need of mercy.



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Gays can not enter into the Kingdom of God, their is a list of who can not enter the Kingdom of God in fact. and the reason why such can not enter is because such are not worthy of the Kingdom of God.
Such people who are on the list love this world in fact and love the darkness in fact.

All people who are not truly born again are bastards in fact to God and are a curse.

Israel never failed ! True Israel never has failed ! Israel lived on in Christ Jesus disciples in fact. the rest were not worthy in fact, they had been bastardised by the Vineyard Mob who killed all of Gods Prophets as well and Jesus calls them out for such as of their father of the Devil, who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

Nathaniel was called a true Israelite by Jesus Christ in fact and for good reason in fact. not to mention Jacob was dubbed Israel by an Angel in fact, such are to key points that Satanic Priest steer away from informing the people. Have you heard your Priest preach all about them as to why they got dubbed such a Israel. well they will not because you may wake up ! to what the key foundations of Israel truly means. it's not in the people per say ? it's in who one truly is worthy of in fact.

To be truly born again you must be worthy of God and then you are an Israel = servant of God.

 

[Pythagorean12]

I wish we had more atheists here.

Me too. *sigh*

 

[GISMYS_7]

Satan wants more atheist here too. Who wants to help him??? count the cost!!

1 Cor 6:9.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Cor 6:9, NIV

Confess and repent!!!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

When one goes to England you better understand the edict and such or one may be out of sorts with people. then you go to Ireland you better know who you are dealing with their as well and Scotland is different as well not to mention Wales, and that's only one Nation, now lets go to other Nations and be ignorant as well just in the Commonwealth for a start. you best not be ignorant of were you are or one may getting a wakeup call.
What era as well are you talking about, is another issue.

There are places all over in just QLD were you just do not go if you have a brain in your head as well and it's the same anywhere.
When I was contracting I would refuse to go to some places because it was just not bright to bother with, unless you want to get all your tools stolen or sit or stand on a needle and get hep B or whatever.
Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Timtofly]

I wish we had more atheists here.

I know a SDA that claims to be an atheist. Probably too busy to chat on forums about eschatology though.

 

[Timtofly]

All reasonably good comments. Thankyou!

Is not being a "racist" just those who divide themselves up into "races"?

Of course not many are going to recognize that all humanity comes from Adam and Eve. Then God divided up that family with Noah's 3 sons. Each one with a different character and attitude. Even saying there are 3 distinct races is being racist because of the distinction from those three sons. Then at babel God changed it up again with different languages that further divided humanity. The fact of the matter, the word "race" is viewed as "horrible". Not because humans want to come together as one single family. But because humans still hate those they see as being different from their own normality.

Being in Christ is supposed to remove that artificial barrier of difference. God did not separate people to have them separated for all time. He did it to force them to spread out across the earth. I think Babylon is humanity coming together to escape the earth. It was not time, nor is there any where to go.

People imagine they have the ability to escape reality and travel through space which does not even exist how humans imagine it. Back then they just tried to keep building a building higher and higher, which of course they would have realized soon enough they would not be able to breath properly after a certain height. Whether or not they got that high, God still wanted them to spread out, not up.

 

[rockytopva]

Saint Augustine was an African who allegedly once said, "If thou hated us thou wouldn't have created us." I believe I got this from the following preacher...

 

[Randy Kluth]

Is not being a "racist" just those who divide themselves up into "races"?

Of course not many are going to recognize that all humanity comes from Adam and Eve. Then God divided up that family with Noah's 3 sons. Each one with a different character and attitude. Even saying there are 3 distinct races is being racist because of the distinction from those three sons. Then at babel God changed it up again with different languages that further divided humanity. The fact of the matter, the word "race" is viewed as "horrible". Not because humans want to come together as one single family. But because humans still hate those they see as being different from their own normality.

Being in Christ is supposed to remove that artificial barrier of difference. God did not separate people to have them separated for all time. He did it to force them to spread out across the earth. I think Babylon is humanity coming together to escape the earth. It was not time, nor is there any where to go.

People imagine they have the ability to escape reality and travel through space which does not even exist how humans imagine it. Back then they just tried to keep building a building higher and higher, which of course they would have realized soon enough they would not be able to breath properly after a certain height. Whether or not they got that high, God still wanted them to spread out, not up.

Elon Musk is a strange fellow, isn't he? Anyway, I think you're referring to the lesson of the Tower of Babel, right? And you make some good points. My own feelings about this?

I love differences. I love diversity. 7 or 8 billion clones would be boring, as well as embarrassing! ;)

So I like what God did in creation. How can I find fault with the Creator? But He made us to like what He did.

The racial bigotry and hate is anachronistic to this, and it's hard to explain apart from the biblical account of sin. People lost the knowledge of walking only with God, with having only the mind of God. And they began to think for themselves, autonomously--apart from God.

This began an adventure in distrusting others who were different. It became competitive.

At the same time it became tempting to want to bring the human race together around a goal apart from God's control--the Tower of Babel. God didn't let that happen, and divided people so that the only way they can accomplish big goals is through a proper knowledge of God.

And so here we sit, thousands of years from the Fall of Man, still trying to unite and come together to reach big goals...and fail. We have no choice but to fall into bigotry and hatred, competition and war, unless we return to walking only with God.

 

[rockytopva]

Ooops! Wrong preacher! It was the old preacher Brown who quoted Saint Augustine @ 10:38 in the video below "If thou had hated us thou wouldn't have created us."... Wonderful sermon by the way!

 

[Mantis]

The word "racist" holds no water anymore. It's been so overused for anything but racism that it has no meaning. It basically means not liberal now lol.

 

[Mike Tang 1991]

What do you call someone that uses plagues for political purposes?

Because that's what God does

 

[Mantis]

What do you call someone that uses plagues for political purposes?

Because that's what God does

And?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Is not being a "racist" just those who divide themselves up into "races"?

Of course not many are going to recognize that all humanity comes from Adam and Eve. Then God divided up that family with Noah's 3 sons. Each one with a different character and attitude. Even saying there are 3 distinct races is being racist because of the distinction from those three sons. Then at babel God changed it up again with different languages that further divided humanity. The fact of the matter, the word "race" is viewed as "horrible". Not because humans want to come together as one single family. But because humans still hate those they see as being different from their own normality.

Being in Christ is supposed to remove that artificial barrier of difference. God did not separate people to have them separated for all time. He did it to force them to spread out across the earth. I think Babylon is humanity coming together to escape the earth. It was not time, nor is there any where to go.

People imagine they have the ability to escape reality and travel through space which does not even exist how humans imagine it. Back then they just tried to keep building a building higher and higher, which of course they would have realized soon enough they would not be able to breath properly after a certain height. Whether or not they got that high, God still wanted them to spread out, not up.

Races must be respected for who they are and their customs should be respected, Marxism bastardises all people to become enslaved, when we come to understand the Socialism workings in depth, we find that it's all the workings of Satan, it's all smoke and mirrors working delusions and deceptions over people and such people who are Socialist are in fact truly a Satanic Religion, They claim Political Correctness ? such is just one their gods in fact.

What is Political Correctness ? well for a start the word Political gives it all away ! ask me now what is correct with Political ? do you have a political god ? If one believes in serving a Political god, what are you = Satanist. Fact is that there is no such thing as being correct in such as things Political.

Two words that do not mix, because they are separate identities, is Political and Correct.

Prejudice ? well how does one deal with such a thing.
Under the umbrella of such is so complex, That only Political Correctness could attempt such a domination over a people to try to stamp such out. But Political Correctness or Socialism is truly a Cancer over the people in fact, because it's all founded on deceptions and lies !

Political Correctness or Socialism is a mans works founded system and it's not based on Grace at all.
I have never met a Socialist who had Grace at all. they do not understand the principle. for they are carnal beast.

If someone was seen to represent a racist point of view to a Socialist, the Socialist will resort to Malice outright, that's the key ingredient in a Socialist persons makeup regardless of the situation, if the Socialist is offended they deploy malice, because a Socialist is just a dead soul who can not handle or is not big enough to deal with such at hand.
They have been set up to be such sooks who live in a utopia world and do not have the maturity to deal with reality, so they will never truly progress because they can not handle the Truth.

When confronted with prejudice, a person of true maturity will not have a spack attack. but go about such as one would with a child learning who is just typical ignorant being a brat and then in time, they will mature in a healthy way on their own accord. Dictating things is only for idiots as such never progresses in fact. It's like having a animal trapped in a cage and it will never reach it's true potential.