A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[Jack]

No, you didn't read my post with understanding Jack...in fact you did to me what you do to the Word.
Many do!

What do I do to the Word? I quote it. I take it as it is.

 

[face2face]

What do I do to the Word? I quote it. I take it as it is.

That's not how it works I'm sorry Jack. Unless you are like Moses who God spoke to face to face you are left to unfold the Word to finds it's truth and if you have never been shown how, like the Ethiopian Eunuch, you need to seek those who can show you how.

Does this make sense?

And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Acts 8:31

F2F

 

[Jay Ross]

That's not how it works I'm sorry Jack. Unless you are like Moses who God spoke to face to face you are left to unfold the Word to finds it's truth and if you have never been shown how, like the Ethiopian Eunuch, you need to seek those who can show you how.

Does this make sense?

And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Acts 8:31

F2F

Sadly, F2F, there are few if any on this forum who have the necessary wisdom and understanding to show anyone else on the forum the understanding that God would want to have expanded on by them.

Shalom

 

[Wrangler]

1^3=1

Your math comprehension is very, very bad. Let's start at the beginning, the number line. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9. It is not 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.

Notice that I have more than 3? 1^9=1. You really cannot give a reason for the obsession with 3 is 1 when it is obviously not.

More to the point, is your total abandoning of the multiplicative identity. 1 x 1 = 1. This is not the case when you substitute 3 for either of the numbers to test the identity. 1 x 3 = 3 <>1; 3 x 3 = 9 <>1.

You know this. Just trying to rationalize what you know is not true.

 

[Wrangler]

Believing all the Bible, even those parts that make Jesus God, that's called faith.

There is no such part. Faith is believing what the Bible actually says - not illogically reading into it whatever you want.

 

[face2face]

Sadly, F2F, there are few if any on this forum who have the necessary wisdom and understanding to show anyone else on the forum the understanding that God would want to have expanded on by them.

Shalom

If only a few there is still hope.

 

[Jay Ross]

If only a few there is still hope.

true, but are you among the few? I have even doubts about myself as well.

 

[Behold]

5 And it shall come to pass that whoever shall call in the name of the Lord shall be delivered,

John 3:16.

 

[Runningman]

This is an important point actually because it is a planned ignorance and lack of knowledge past the infant stage, otherwise the ‘sheeples’ sitting in the pews might realize that most of what they hear is not the truth, only dressed up to look like it.

We see people here arguing, clearly out of their depth in the discussion, but hammering away at the old party line with insults instead of scripture, as if these things have not been examined under a microscope and found to be completely misunderstood or misinterpreted. A spiritual infant would not know the difference, but those who have bothered to study the Bible for themselves gain an insight that others never get to experience. They remain stuck at that level and never progress past it. There is no real excuse for ignorance these days when we are in an age with unprecedented access to knowledge about everything.

But even with all the knowledge in the world, it is the condition of our heart that will mean salvation at the end of the day…..unless knowledge is put to good use, and alters the way we think and behave, it is wasted. It is a means to an end…not an end in itself.

Yes that is true. It is possible that one may not know enough to know what they do not know. If they do not know the truth they may not know they do not know the truth. In effect, the knowledge needed to speak the truth is the same knowledge needed to recognize with the truth is. One may also feel like they are right even when they are not. This is actually common in many different fields, but it's probably the most obvious in Christianity.

This is why there are so many people in Christianity with vastly different opinions and perspective. It probably is not appropriate for so many people with different messages to all feel confident about what they are saying, but that's how it is.

However, perhaps not all is lost even in that. Paul's perspective was that even though some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill, the important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. (Philippians 1:15-18)

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes I understand what you mean. There are a lot of things said in Christianity that sound religious, sound good, but ultimately are misleading. First thing that comes to my mind is "Come as you are..." but the part they leave off is "...but don't stay as you are." While many are called, few are chosen. Yes, one may come as they are, but the expectation is they don't stay in their sin and they truly repent.

I don't see that much focus is placed on actually growing Christians past infancy. For everyone who lives on milk is still an infant, inexperienced in the message of righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained their senses to distinguish good from evil. Yet the goal is to have mercy on those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; and to still others show mercy tempered with fear, hating even the clothing stained by the flesh.

But as far as the love of God goes, I think that is also not completely misunderstood. God loves us, yes, but it's not what you think. He wishes you well, wishes you the best, but He has already provided what we need in this world. He isn't going to compromise any of His standards or laws to help us. That's why bad things happen to good people who it seems like they should have been loved and protected. Don't misunderstand, this world is all about cause and effect. The choices we make all have a result whether they be physical actions or otherwise. We will be meticulously judged as a result, even for every idle word spoken; it's all being recorded.

Islam is a fake religion. Yes, there is a movement to unite Islam with Christianity and it has created a new religion called Chrislam. As far as I know it's just the RCC embracing them right now.

God who does love us gave us lots of warnings and we would be wise to heed them .
starting with be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers .
I notice you said its only the RCC that seems to be embracing that , rick warren did too .
and he was not alone . You see when the church starts doing exactly what GOD said not too
ITS gonna become unequally yoked and it will fall . THUS we ought not to just run to UNITY with a harlot my friend .
Yet the churches of today are and have been doing that . IS it any wonder they are headed more and more that way now my friend .
This deceptoin to unify is gonna UNDO all who unify under it . Soon
we will see why as they work hand in hand with all religoins and then begin to say
SEE how they love one another as we do , OH THEY MUST LOVE the same GOD we do . WHAT A DELUSION
but this will and does occur . People get duped very easy my friend . WHEN we go against
what GOD said , DONT EXPECT any GOOD to come out of it .

 

[amigo de christo]

true, but are you among the few? I have even doubts about myself as well.

well then have no faith in yourself . What are and who are we trusting in
if we TRUST not in JESUS CHRIST . self . i keep it real simple .
But i suppose john and others did too .
These things i write unto you that you may KNOW you have eternal life , that you may BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
that is how simple it is to have eternal life .
now we do need to learn JESUS CHRIST . due to many are fast to run to another jesus
and that one cannot save them .
SO if the jesus we embrace honors any sin , THEN KNOW and understand why that jesus was not capitlized .
You got it , CAUSE IT AINT JESUS .

 

[Wrangler]

Are you saying Thomas was wrong? Jesus was his teacher.

Jesus did not teach Thomas that.

Is Thomas wrong? Exclamations are not statements of fact. When I drop my toast, butter side down, I am not actually claiming the toast is excrement.

 

[Jack]

That's not how it works I'm sorry Jack. Unless you are like Moses who God spoke to face to face you are left to unfold the Word to finds it's truth and if you have never been shown how, like the Ethiopian Eunuch, you need to seek those who can show you how.

Does this make sense?

And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Acts 8:31

F2F

I stick with the literal Christian Bible. Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING.

 

[Jack]

Jesus did not teach Thomas that.

Then why didn't Jesus SEVERELY rebuke Thomas? Answer: Thomas was right. Jesus is God

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

Is Thomas wrong? Exclamations are not statements of fact. When I drop my toast, butter side down, I am not actually claiming the toast is excrement.

That's a JW argument. Totally ridiculous! Thomas called Jesus "My God" and Jesus didn't deny it!

 

[marks]

That's a JW argument. Totally ridiculous! Thomas called Jesus "My God" and Jesus didn't deny it!

Yes. I think some people are so used to their sloppy and irreverant speech they assume everyone speaks that way! Thomas was not doing an "OMG!" thing. What an ignorant thing to say! As if these Israelite disciples of Christ were like the idiots on Yahoo! No way!

The angel rebuked John for wrongly worshiping, but Jesus wouldn't do that? No.

Much love!

 

[Jack]

Yes. I think some people are so used to their sloppy and irreverant speech they assume everyone speaks that way! Thomas was not doing an "OMG!" thing. What an ignorant thing to say! As if these Israelite disciples of Christ were like the idiots on Yahoo! No way!

BINGO!

The angel rebuked John for wrongly worshiping, but Jesus wouldn't do that? No.

Much love!

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

See, Thomas is right! Jesus is God.

 

[Wrangler]

homas was not doing an "OMG!" thing.

Sure he was. I wonder what set of circumstances would you accept one is making an exclamation if not seeing somone come back from the dead?

 

[Wrangler]

BINGO!

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

This has been debunked numerous times. THROUGH is not BY.

 

[Jack]

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God"!

Amen Thomas. Jesus is my God too!

 

[Jay Ross]

well then have no faith in yourself . What are and who are we trusting in
if we TRUST not in JESUS CHRIST . self . i keep it real simple .
But i suppose john and others did too .
These things i write unto you that you may KNOW you have eternal life , that you may BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
that is how simple it is to have eternal life .
now we do need to learn JESUS CHRIST . due to many are fast to run to another jesus
and that one cannot save them .
SO if the jesus we embrace honors any sin , THEN KNOW and understand why that jesus was not capitlized .
You got it , CAUSE IT AINT JESUS .

I have just one word, arrogance.

Even King David did not realise that, for around eight to ten years, God was not pleased about what he had done or was doing until he was confronted with his sin of turning away from God by Nathan the Prophet because of Satan's influence in his life.

2 Samuel 11:28b: - But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD.