A history of failed prophecies

[MatthewG]

MatthewG, the more we see of your posts, the more it appears that you do not believe any Bible doctrines (such as those above), and are simply making up your own theology. Unless you change your thinking, we will need to see you as a false teacher sowing seeds of spiritual confusion. From what I recall, you have not been a Christian for too long, but you have certainly been infected with the virus of false doctrines. Not sure whom you have been listening to or reading.

1. Yes. The Second Coming of Christ is still a solid Bible doctrine.

2. Yes. The reality of Hell -- the Lake of Fire -- is still a solid Bible doctrine.

Yes I’m a crazy heretic. I do believe hell was a real place but it has been thrown away. I also believe Jesus was coming back but to a specific group call the bride of Christ in that day.

It’s not wrong to assume this either due to the context of the Bible. Either it is right or you believe it hasn’t happened yet.

That is up to you. When we die we most certainly will be resurrected and judged but I don’t believe it will be the white thrown judgment which was for the people (souls) who came out of hell cause I’m simply believe all of things have been fulfilled.

I can’t prove it though I believe by faith it has happened.

No one should follow me, they should follow God and the Lord Jesus Christ who is the firm foundation.

 

[MatthewG]

Well…it’s sort of like…sometimes a scripture will look like it’s all the same time frame but it jacks ahead suddenly to the future, only you don’t know it because it doesn’t specifically say so. It was Jesus who made me see that, by where He stopped speaking right in the middle of a sentence of scripture He got up to read.
Do you know where I’m talking about?

No, where at?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You are not a crazy heretic. Just ignore it when people act like that and keep reading your Bible and waiting for God to put it together for you.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No, where at?

Hang on I’ll go find it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Okay, here’s where it is, but now I’m going to go find the passage in Isaiah that He was reading from so you can see the odd way He just stopped.

here’s the first one.
16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Now here’s Isaiah 61, which He was reading from. He stopped in the middle of verse 2. Just stopped. Didn’t finish it.


61 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, because the Lord hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek. He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound,

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn,

He was saying it was the time of favor and said, this scripture is fulfilled right now in your hearing. But He didn’t say the time of the vengeance of God part because then He couldn’t have said this scripture is fulfilled now, because the time of Gods vengeance against His enemies was future.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Oh shoot, I didn’t use the same translation for the Isaiah verse, but do you see He stopped mid sentence?

 

[MatthewG]

Okay, here’s where it is, but now I’m going to go find the passage in Isaiah that He was reading from so you can see the odd way He just stopped.

here’s the first one.
16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Now here’s Isaiah 61, which He was reading from. He stopped in the middle of verse 2. Just stopped. Didn’t finish it.


61 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, because the Lord hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek. He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound,

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn,

He was saying it was the time of favor and said, this scripture is fulfilled right now in your hearing. But He didn’t say the time of the vengeance of God part because then He couldn’t have said this scripture is fulfilled now, because the time of Gods vengeance against His enemies was future.

That is alright you didn’t quote the same translation, what this reminds me of is how Jesus was the master at everything he did. Anytime he would quote scripture regardless if he stopped half way or not, was a signal for those who were around him especially the Pharisees and Scribes to go back and look at the Old Testament.

Which was available only for the Jewish people. The Gentiles never has the Law nor where they ever given it like the Son of Israel whom God brought forth from Egypt.

Paul would quote Old Testament scripture but not like Jesus, Paul wouldn’t quote it verbatim it seems like I’ve heard before, but he was still having the same premises behind it though I have nothing to show for it.

You know one I remember very vividly was when Jesus was encountered by the Pharisees and he quoted I believe Isaiah “They profess with their mouth they know God but their hearts are far from him”.

What are your thoughts about that?

They had the chance to go back and read the Old Testament and it would confirm that they indeed had become waxed cold in their hearts.
And in those scriptures there was always sometimes about destruction of those who had become like this. I believe anyway.

Take what is said with a grain of salt my friend.

 

[Marty fox]

What do you think about Jesus lying to his apostles? Did the apostles also lie to those they were writing too? Even without the book, you still have to question this even so.

Jesus told James, Peter and John, when they came to him privately saying when will all these things take place and then he told them, but he didn’t tell them the day or hour when it would be fully let out (destruction of Israel) they however wouldn’t miss the signs. Or did they? Was they lying to the people they were writing to as well about the return?

Why in the hell would they tell them about the return then and there? Is it really future? Coming today? Was it really then?

Secular historians : Sertonious (this may be spelled with a u, Surtonious?), Cassio Dio, Josephus. Some people to consider.

Questions questions are good, and I’m unfortunately cursed not have a wife… cause I’m not good at questioning haha.

God bless all of you and take care.

Back in the Olivit discourse Jesus was taught about his coming in judgement in 70AD to destroy Jerusalem not the sense coming and it did happen within that generation just like Jesus said that it would

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yeah, that verse Mathew! I sometimes run across someone who can go on and on about all they know ABOUT God and the scripture, but they ACT nothing like Him when someone disagrees with something or has a different take on it. They get just as nasty as can be and I wonder if it’s like that verse with them, that they profess Him with mouth but don’t yet know Him…in their heart.

And it really puzzles me why they would take so much interest in scripture because before I met God, you wouldn’t have caught me anywhere NEAR a Bible or a person talking about the Bible…

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Anyway, seeing how Jesus stopped mid sentence like that showed me that one part of a sentence of prophecy could be happened but another part of the sentence future. And I remember thinking, oh gosh, now I’ll NEVER understand it all! Lol.

 

[MatthewG]

Anyway, seeing how Jesus stopped mid sentence like that showed me that one part of a sentence of prophecy could be happened but another part of the sentence future. And I remember thinking, oh gosh, now I’ll NEVER understand it all! Lol.

Does it make sense that they would have the ability to go back and read the rest of what he had quoted? Remember he always spoke parables to everyone he was around except his disciples in private.

Back in the Olivit discourse Jesus was taught about his coming in judgement in 70AD to destroy Jerusalem not the sense coming and it did happen within that generation just like Jesus said that it would

Thank you for sharing, Marty brother.

 

[Aunty Jane]

you have certainly been infected with the virus of false doctrines. Not sure whom you have been listening to or reading.

Did it ever occur to you that some people think the same about you? Are you yourself infected with false doctrines? The symptoms include not knowing that you are infected.....delusions about one's own beliefs and standing with God, etc.....good grief, we could all have this plague.

Fortunately for us it is God through his appointed judge who will decide who is a "sheep" and who is a "goat". According to Matthew 7:21-23...."many" who think they are "sheep" will be shown to be "goats".....none of us will know for sure until then.
Are you ready?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Back in the Olivit discourse Jesus was taught about his coming in judgement in 70AD to destroy Jerusalem not the sense coming and it did happen within that generation just like Jesus said that it would

That’s a good thing for me to read again. Think I’ll do it when I crawl into bed. It was in at least 3 of the gospel books if I recall? Jesus was prophesying there. Given the conversation we just had about how it’s possible prophecy can jack forward and backward in time, even in the same sentence, without us knowing it is, I want to read it keeping that in mind. I do remember they asked Him three questions in one after He said the temple would be destroyed. They asked, 1. When would it be, 2. What would be the sign of Him coming again, and 3. The end of the age.
So…it would be reasonable to assume He answered all 3 things in there, including the end of the age…
Okay, thanks guys. I’m off to see what I can see in it!

 

[Marty fox]

That’s a good thing for me to read again. Think I’ll do it when I crawl into bed. It was in at least 3 of the gospel books if I recall? Jesus was prophesying there. Given the conversation we just had about how it’s possible prophecy can jack forward and backward in time, even in the same sentence, without us knowing it is, I want to read it keeping that in mind. I do remember they asked Him three questions in one after He said the temple would be destroyed. They asked, 1. When would it be, 2. What would be the sign of Him coming again, and 3. The end of the age.
So…it would be reasonable to assume He answered all 3 things in there, including the end of the age…
Okay, thanks guys. I’m off too see what I can see in it!

I believe It was the end of the temple and sacrificial age

 

[Enoch111]

Are you yourself infected with false doctrines?

If you think so, prove it. This is not a matter of "He said. She said". Show us from Scripture even one false doctrine that you believe I have presented. But we all know that the Watchtower Society has been promoting heresies for ages.

 

[Marty fox]

Does it make sense that they would have the ability to go back and read the rest of what he had quoted? Remember he always spoke parables to everyone he was around except his disciples in private.




Thank you for sharing, Marty brother.

Check out post #30

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I believe It was the end of the temple and sacrificial age

Yeah, the destruction of the temple was obviously in there. Just wondering about the other 2 parts of their question - the sign of your coming again, and the end.

want to see if I can divide it properly.

 

[MatthewG]

If you want to know when and why the world will end go back to Genesis chapters 4-5-6 and see when & why God destroyed the world back then.

There's lots about the end times in those chapters

Thank you for the mention, would you suggest that the world is going to end again now today?

Having had some conversations with people who believe that this world will be destroyed with the doctrines of the elements melting and things that like are what they suggest will happen in the future.

I do not believe this due to the Bible expressing how the world will never end, but ages will end. So the verses they use have to be explained differently.

The elements melting to me is the baptism of Jesus and how the fire burns away the world from us in which we abide more in the spirit.

The King James Version has the editors expressing their theology in the writings, from time to time, in which they replace for example what should be Age and say World.

I’ve come to the understanding because of this the world will go on forever.

Except our unknown time and day of the death of going on back home.

 

[Marty fox]

Yeah, the destruction of the temple was obviously in there. Just wondering about the other 2 parts of their question - the sign of your coming again, and the end.

want to see if I can divide it properly.

It was the sign of his coming in judgement and the end of the temple and sacrificial age

They were asking when the temple would be destroyed and that would of brought the end of the sacrificial age