Can you show me where Jesus acted in accordance with the way he was raised by his parents?
A God of Hate
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Can you show me where Jesus acted in accordance with the way he was raised by his parents?
Wrangler
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St. SteVen
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The record is clear. Just read the posts.
Did we show love?
Did we accept him where he was?
Did we shout him down?
Did we make accusations and label him?
Would you have stayed?
Christians - some, not all - do that to me constantly. I’m still here.
If he wants to be here and is able, then he’ll be back.
St. SteVen
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See post #175
A God of Hate
What other God is there for Jesus to worship? Jesus acknowledged Father God. Not the God of the old covenant. John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. He did his God’s will. That’s not blasphemy. Agree. God's will was not to maintain the...
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St. SteVen
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No work on the Sabbath and no collecting food on the Sabbath was NOT a Pharisaical misinterpretation of the law.
St. SteVen
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I guess we don't know any better. - LOL
Battered and bruised, black and blue, bleeding on the floor. Yup, just sufferin' fer Jesus.
St. SteVen
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I think the burden of proof is on you.
I've been doing all the heavy lifting here. Get off you butt and do something! - LOL
Yes you do.
That may be why some people are here but that’s not why I am.
I think you’re ignoring the obvious.
I see the weight that others are lifting.
I’m pointing you and our readers to Jesus in a casual conversation.
ChristisGod
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Wrangler
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Another proton-thought. How are you connecting Jesus following the law with the post between you and Matthias?See post #175
A God of Hate
What other God is there for Jesus to worship? Jesus acknowledged Father God. Not the God of the old covenant. John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. He did his God’s will. That’s not blasphemy. Agree. God's will was not to maintain the...
All Christians should have some measure of expertise about the Old Testament.
A small portion of my daily reading plan for today:
”Then this message came to me from the LORD: ‘Son of man, suppose the people of a country were to sin against me, and I lifted my fist to crush them, cutting off their food supply, and sending a famine to destroy both people and animals alike. Even if Noah, Daniel, and Job were there, their righteousness would save no one but themselves, declares the Sovereign LORD.
Or suppose I were to send an invasion of dangerous wild animals to devastate the land and kill the people. Even if these three men were there, the Sovereign Lord swears that it would do no good - it wouldn’t save the people from destruction. Those three alone would be saved, but the land would be devastated.
Or suppose I were to bring war against the land, and I told enemy armies to come and destroy everything. Even if these three were in the land, the Sovereign LORD swears that they could not save the people. They alone would be saved.
Or suppose I were to pour out my fury by sending an epidemic of disease into the land, and the plague killed people and animals alike. Even if Noah, Daniel and Job were living there, the Sovereign LORD swears that they could not save the people. They alone would be saved by their righteousness.
Now this is what the Sovereign LORD says: How terrible it will be when all four of these fearsome punishments fall upon Jerusalem - war, famine, beasts, and plague - destroying all her people and animals. Yet there will be survivors, and they will come here to join you as exiles in Babylon. You will see with your own eyes how wicked they are, and then you will feel better about what I have done to Jerusalem. When you meet them and see their behavior, you will agree that these things are not being done to Israel without cause, says the Sovereign LORD.’”
(Ezekiel 14:12-23, NLT)
Do you hold that this message from the Sovereign LORD to Ezekiel is suspect?
Wrangler
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Circular Reasoning. No epistemological foundation. One thing that must be known with certainty is that "Everything is suspect." This is inherently contradictory. Ergo, everything is NOT suspect.
St. SteVen
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Exodus chapters 16 and 20.
The Manna collection, not allowed on the Sabbath.
The Ten Commandments, no work on the Sabbath.
Do you need references?
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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@ChristisGod
I agree with the conclusion that he was sinless, but not the idea.
The extended thought, which I also disagree with, states that
Christ came to show us how to fulfill the law perfectly.
But my understanding is that Christ set aside the law.
So, why would he show us how to keep it?
Ephesians 2:14-16 NIV
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one
and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross,
by which he put to death their hostility.
I'm challenging the idea that Christ kept the law perfectly.
I agree with the conclusion that he was sinless, but not the idea.
The extended thought, which I also disagree with, states that
Christ came to show us how to fulfill the law perfectly.
But my understanding is that Christ set aside the law.
So, why would he show us how to keep it?
Ephesians 2:14-16 NIV
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one
and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross,
by which he put to death their hostility.
Something is suspect, but it’s not God’s message to Ezekiel that is.
St. SteVen
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