A God of Hate

[St. SteVen]

What other God is there for Jesus to worship?

Jesus acknowledged Father God.
Not the God of the old covenant.

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

He did his God’s will. That’s not blasphemy.

Agree.
God's will was not to maintain the old covenant.

God never intended for people to worship a covenant.

What are you doing?

 

[Matthias]

I thought everyone on this forum was a Christian.

Why would you think that? There are Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics and others who are members of Christianity Board.

You’re the first Christian I’ve met who has challenged the notion that Christians worship the God of the old covenant.

A target that BIG is hard to miss.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus acknowledged Father God.
Not the God of the old covenant.

If the Father is’t the God of the old covenant then who is?

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Agree.
God's will was not to maintain the old covenant.

What are you doing?

I’m having a conversation with you.

 

[Matthias]

What trust then do you have in anything that is written in the Hebrew Bible?

How much of the Old Testament do you think is bogus @St. SteVen?

 

[St. SteVen]

What trust then do you have in anything that is written in the Hebrew Bible?

I don't worship a god of wood (paper) and ink. It's just a book.
I trust in the living God, the creator of heaven and earth.

God didn’t make a mistake. Man made the mistake.

Genesis 6:6 NIV
The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Except for those who survived the event.

Right. Genocide for everyone else.
That makes it okay to commit genocide?

How can God's ways be higher than our ways if he operates
at a lower standard of morality than he holds us to?

And rather than ask me if I am criticizing God,
ANSWER THE QUESTION. Thanks.

 

[St. SteVen]

If the Father is’t the God of the old covenant then who is?

I think Jesus blamed the old covenant on Moses.
He never called it the Law of God. (that I recall)
Can you find where he did in the gospel accounts?

 

[Matthias]

I don't worship a god of wood (paper) and ink. It's just a book.
I trust in the living God, the creator of heaven and earth.

The Bible - Old Testament and New Testament - is about the living God, the creator of heaven and earth. There is no other God.

Genesis 6:6 NIV
The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Is that not the living God?

Right. Genocide for everyone else.
That makes it okay to commit genocide?

The living God has the right to destroy his creatures when they refuse to repent.

How can God's ways be higher than our ways if he operates
at a lower standard of morality than he holds us to?

God doesn’t operate at a lower standard of morality than he holds us to.

And rather than ask me if I am criticizing God,
ANSWER THE QUESTION. Thanks.

From my perspective, you are criticizing God. He didn’t / doesn’t act as you think he should.

 

[Matthias]

I think Jesus blamed the old covenant on Moses.

Thanks. I don’t think Jesus “blamed” the old covenant on anyone.

He never called it the Law of God. (that I recall)
Can you find where he did in the gospel accounts?

Scripture makes many references to the law / law of God.

”I came not to abolish the law” - > what law? The law of God.

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus acknowledged Father God.
Not the God of the old covenant.

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Agree.
God's will was not to maintain the old covenant.

What are you doing?

Thats not true the New Covenant did not begin until after His death and resurrection. So Jesus was under the OT Law of God to fulfill all that was written. Plus God is Immutable- He does not change. The same God in the OT is the same God in the NT.

 

[St. SteVen]

How much of the Old Testament do you think is bogus @St. SteVen?

Not my area of expertise.
Everything is suspect.

I know some fine Christians that don't accept the creation account as literal.
They side with science.

Frankly, I'm torn. The view that Genesis is not literal adds more problems than it solves.
If Adam was NOT the first man, then what becomes of the Fall and the implications of it?

It's easier to put the blinders on, as you seem to have done, and just
believe what ever the church tells you. Much easier.

 

[ChristisGod]

I don't worship a god of wood (paper) and ink. It's just a book.
I trust in the living God, the creator of heaven and earth.

Genesis 6:6 NIV
The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Right. Genocide for everyone else.
That makes it okay to commit genocide?

How can God's ways be higher than our ways if he operates
at a lower standard of morality than he holds us to?

And rather than ask me if I am criticizing God,
ANSWER THE QUESTION. Thanks.

Read the ending of the book when Jesus returns and slaughters all who oppose and wage war on Israel and the blood is as deep as the horses bridal. Read all those plagues and bowls of wrath God pours out upon all mankind and and millions are killed. God is Immutable and does not change. He is holding back His wrath now extending mercy until that day of Righteous Judgement.

 

[MatthewG]

Remeber. Jesus has paid for sin and reconciled the world unto him self.

Everyone went to be separated until hell gave up its dead and judged.

With Jersualem killing the son of God was it fair to have promised destruction come upon a material nation for what they did in whcih the covenant was made with them?



Humanist kind of thinking to say no? Isnt it?

Perhaps thats why people find Yahava of the bible; abhorant…

He is a bad God for allowing killings.


Adam was the one who brought forth Death.

 

[Matthias]

Not my area of expertise.
Everything is suspect.

The Old Testament is the foundation of the New Testament. If the foundation is suspect then so to is the New Testament.

I know some fine Christians that don't accept the creation account as literal.
They side with science.

I think it’s a mistake to pit science against the Bible.

Frankly, I'm torn. The view that Genesis is not literal adds more problems than it solves.
If Adam was NOT the first man, then what becomes of the Fall and the implications of it?

There is much in the Bible that is literal and much that is figurative. Problems result from not being able to rightly distinguish between them.

It's easier to put the blinders on, as you seem to have done, and just
believe what ever the church tells you. Much easier.

I’m an ex-trinitarian. Do you really think that I just believe whatever the church tells me?

 

[St. SteVen]

”I came not to abolish the law” - > what law? The law of God.

Excellent question.
I assume a reference to Matthew 5:17 ?
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets..."

Hmm... it does say "the law" it say "the Law or the Prophets"
Not a reference to the law itself, but rather to the BOOKS of the Law and the Prophets.
(capital L and P)

Here's what Jesus said about this after his resurrection. Note: "the Law of Moses"

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

 

[Matthias]

Excellent question.
I assume a reference to Matthew 5:17 ?
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets..."

Hmm... it does say "the law" it say "the Law or the Prophets"
Not a reference to the law itself, but rather to the BOOKS of the Law and the Prophets.
(capital L and P)

Here's what Jesus said about this after his resurrection. Note: "the Law of Moses"

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

The Law of Moses is the Law of God.

Moses received the Law from God.

 

[MatthewG]

Remeber. Jesus has paid for sin and reconciled the world unto him self.

Everyone went to be separated until hell gave up its dead and judged.

With Jersualem killing the son of God was it fair to have promised destruction come upon a material nation for what they did in whcih the covenant was made with them?



Humanist kind of thinking to say no? Isnt it?

Perhaps thats why people find Yahava of the bible; abhorant…

He is a bad God for allowing killings.


Adam was the one who brought forth Death.

Humanism is a philosophy, world view, or lifestance based on naturalism-the conviction that the universe or nature is all that exists or is real. Humanism serves, for many humanists, some of the psychological and social functions of a religion, but without belief in deities, transcendental entities, miracles, life after death, and the supernatural. Humanists seek to understand the universe by using science and its methods of critical inquiry-logical reasoning, empirical evidence, and skeptical evaluation of conjectures and conclusions-to obtain reliable knowledge. Humanists affirm that humans have the freedom to give meaning, value, and purpose to their lives by their own independent thought, free inquiry, and responsible, creative activity. Humanists stand for the building of a more humane, just, compassionate, and democratic society using a pragmatic ethics based on human reason, experience, and reliable knowledge-an ethics that judges the consequences of human actions by the well-being of all life on Earth.
– Steven Schafersman

God is bad according to his law. God had the Jewish people slaughter other people - because of the covenant they made together - and that is WRONG. God having the Jewish people slaughtered in 70AD, is inhuman and unjust.

That is the thinking for some people.

 

[St. SteVen]

Why would you think that? There are Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics and others who are members of Christianity Board.

That's news to me. Where are they hiding?
All the sections say "Christians Only".

You’re the first Christian I’ve met who has challenged the notion that Christians worship the God of the old covenant.

Might be worth a topic. Do you know how to set up a poll? I have not yet succeeded at that. Send help. Thanks.

 

[Matthias]

That's news to me. Where are they hiding?
All the sections say "Christians Only".

This thread is in the NonChristian Forum. I don’t have posting privileges in “Christians Only” sections of the Board.

Might be worth a topic. Do you know how to set up a poll? I have not yet succeeded at that. Send help. Thanks.

I haven’t set up a poll. I’m sure someone who has would be willing to help you.

 

[St. SteVen]

Thats not true the New Covenant did not begin until after His death and resurrection. So Jesus was under the OT Law of God to fulfill all that was written. Plus God is Immutable- He does not change. The same God in the OT is the same God in the NT.

That's the standard answer. (apologetic)
But I see Jesus deconstructing the law as he went. He even said that HE was the Lord of the Sabbath.
And what was his reputation in that regard? Did he keep the OT law?

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

 

[St. SteVen]

This thread is in the NonChristian Forum.

Looks like you chased them all away.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?