A God of Hate

[Matthias]

Why would I hate the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites?

So you acknowledge that God hated the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perrizites, Hivites and Jebusites.

If we don’t hate what God hates then are we making ourselves better than God?

 

[Matthias]

There’s no problem if we don’t hate what God hates?

What if we don’t love what God loves? Is that a problem?

 

[Matthias]

Would God have a problem with me if I modeled the godly quality of hatred?

No.

Would God have a problem with you if you didn’t model the godly quality of love?

 

[Matthias]

Does that mean you worship the God of the old covenant?

Jesus himself worshipped the God of the old covenant. I worship the God of the old covenant. Those who didn’t / don’t are pagan.

I’m curious. Why put this question to a Christian?

 

[Matthias]

God is love and, according to mainstream Christianity, God tortures people FOREVER!
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”Mainstream Christianity“ has dissenters.

They‘re quick to say that God doesn’t torture people / his creatures. Full stop.

 

[BeyondET]

I agree that the Bible tells us that God is capable of hate, and that God instructed the Israelites to kill all the people in the land. That is what the Bible tells us, so that is what I believe. Do you not believe it? Do you not believe the Bible?

There was no genocide instructed in the verses below. The complete destruction some translations it's destroy them. In verse 5 it instructs what was to be destroyed the complete destruction. Can't make a treaty or not with dead people and there was no mercy, the pillars, idols, alters, poles, all got burned in the fire.

Deuteronomy 7

2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you to defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy.

3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4because they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and He will swiftly destroy you.

5 Instead, this is what you are to do to them: tear down their altars, smash their sacred pillars, cut down their Asherah poles, and burn their idols in the fire.

 

[BeyondET]

In Joshua yes, He is not subject to the same moral obligations prohibitions as people are. God can give and take life as He chooses. The Israelites were doing what was instructed from the One who can give or take life.

 

[BeyondET]

So God didn’t want the Israelites to intermarry with the people of that region. But if God were actually merciful and loving, was there no other way to prevent the Israelites from intermarrying the indigenous people of the promised lands, or was slaughter the only possible option?

An omniscient God would have known that this problem would arise, and he could have planned for it at the time when he created the sun, the moon, the planets, the stars, the galaxies, and the earth itself. An omnipotent God could have created a force field around the entire region to prevent anyone else from entering. Then, when the Israelites arrived, he could have disabled the force field to let the Israelites enter a region that would have been fertile, lush, and unpopulated.


Or alternatively an omnipotent God could have left the promised lands at the bottom of the Mediterranean sea. Then when the Israelites arrived he could have lifted up the promised lands from the sea floor and the Israelites could have entered a region that would have been pristine, new, and uninhabited.

Alternatively robot human puppits would of solved the whole issue. Don't you think? Though that wouldn't be to loving.

 

[St. SteVen]

God talks about hating what people do. Why wouldn’t you hate the evil that people - not just Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites - do?

What did God expect them to do?
Had he revealed himself to them yet?
Why hate them for that?
Or their deeds for that matter?
Did he inform them of a BETTER way? (nope)

 

[Matthias]

What did God expect them to do?

Repent.

Had he revealed himself to them yet?

God has revealed himself to everyone in his creation.

Why hate them for that?
Or their deeds for that matter?
Did he inform them of a BETTER way? (nope)

Are you criticizing God?

 

[St. SteVen]

God instructed the Israelites to kill all the people in the land.

We call that genocide, correct?
So, the Bible tells us that God instructed the Israelites to commit genocide,
and you have no problem with that? I have a problem with that.

For some reason history outside the Bible doesn't support that
biblical account. Maybe it never happened?

 

[St. SteVen]

Are you criticizing God?

I'm criticizing the humans that gave us a bogus account.

 

[St. SteVen]

God has revealed himself to everyone in his creation.

To what end?
Did that Canaanites not recognize a creator God? (one god among many)

 

[Matthias]

I'm criticizing the humans that gave us a bogus account.

Do you think the story about Noah is a bogus account?

 

[Matthias]

To what end?

To worship him.

Did that Canaanites not recognize a creator God? (one god among many)

Yes. That makes them more the culpable.

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus himself worshipped the God of the old covenant. I worship the God of the old covenant. Those who didn’t / don’t are pagan.

I’m curious. Why put this question to a Christian?

I don't think Jesus worshiped the God of the old covenant.
What blasphemy for him to replace the old covenant with his actions.
He came to REPLACE the old covenant, not to make it worthy of worship.

 

[Matthias]

I don't think Jesus worshiped the God of the old covenant.

What other God is there for Jesus to worship?

What blasphemy for him to replace the old covenant with his actions.

He did his God’s will. That’s not blasphemy.

He came to REPLACE the old covenant, not to make it worthy of worship.

God never intended for people to worship a covenant.

Why did you put the question to a Christian?

 

[St. SteVen]

Do you think the story about Noah is a bogus account?

Very likely.
We arrive at Genesis chapter six and God realizes he made a HUGE mistake.
Solution: global genocide.

That may explain why the genocide of the Canaanites wasn't a big deal.
God had already destroyed the whole planet.

 

[St. SteVen]

Why did you put the question to a Christian?

I thought everyone on this forum was a Christian.
A target that BIG is hard to miss.

 

[Matthias]

Very likely.

What trust then do you have in anything that is written in the Hebrew Bible?

We arrive at Genesis chapter six and God realizes he made a HUGE mistake.
Solution: global genocide.

God didn’t make a mistake. Man made the mistake.

That may explain why the genocide of the Canaanites wasn't a big deal.
God had already destroyed the whole planet.

Except for those who survived the event.