A Closer Look at the Genesis Creation Account

[Aunty Jane]

I dont hate Jehovahs Witnesses or 7th Day Adventist

JW's Charles Taze Russel, and 7th Day Adventist founder Ellen G. White, they both are false teachers, and my observation and opinion dosent stand alone

7th Day Adventist, the great disappointment on falsely predicting Jesus return 1844, the investigative judgement, soul sleep in annihilation, Ellen G Whites claims of 2,000 dreams and visions given by the Lord

Just a few dishonorable mentions given to the cult leader of Ellen G White

OK, now please tell me what denomination you belong to so I can give them equal scrutiny.....

My teachers do not claim to be prophets nor do they claim infallibility.....we just study the Bible and allow it to speak for itself.
Christian is as Christian does IMV.

 

[Truth7t7]

OK, now please tell me what denomination you belong to so I can give them equal scrutiny.....

My teachers do not claim to be prophets nor do they claim infallibility.....we just study the Bible and allow it to speak for itself.
Christian is as Christian does IMV.

I dont belong to a denominational org, and the churches I attend or follow would reflect the same

Yes the founder of 7th day adventism Ellen G White was a false teacher, tooo many accounts to mention, and yes her teachings are followed and taught to this day, with Michael the Arch Angel being Jesus Christ, to mention one

 

[Aunty Jane]

I dont belong to a denominational org, and the churches I attend or follow would reflect the same

Gotta love non-denominationalism......its not that you agree about doctrine.....you just don't talk about it at church. So how do you know what any of your fellow congregants believe? Do you just gloss over your differences?

We have a church here in Australia called "The Uniting Church"....sounds nice doesn't it? But its an amalgamation of three denominations who were dying, so they decided to join forces in order to stay afloat. When I asked the members why they chose that name, they said that its 'a work in progress'.....they disagree on many things, but had to bury their differences to stay in existence. After many years, they have resigned themselves to never being "United".....is that what Jesus taught? Are we at liberty to disagree with one another as if Christ taught different things?

What did Paul say at 1 Corinthians 1:10? Where is there agreement in Christendom?

 

[Truth7t7]

Gotta love non-denominationalism......its not that you agree about doctrine.....you just don't talk about it at church. So how do you know what any of your fellow congregants believe? Do you just gloss over your differences?

We have a church here in Australia called "The Uniting Church"....sounds nice doesn't it? But its an amalgamation of three denominations who were dying, so they decided to join forces in order to stay afloat. When I asked the members why they chose that name, they said that its 'a work in progress'.....they disagree on many things, but had to bury their differences to stay in existence. After many years, they have resigned themselves to never being "United".....is that what Jesus taught? Are we at liberty to disagree with one another as if Christ taught different things?

What did Paul say at 1 Corinthians 1:10? Where is there agreement in Christendom?

Non denominational churches in the US in the majority have a statement of faith that contain the essentials in the Christian faith, and my observation finds they are free from denominational boards and dictatorships

Biblical Doctrine is talked about and not hidden as you suggest

These Non Denominations dont believe nor teach Ellen G Whites Investigative Judgement, Soul Sleep, Michael The Arch Angel is Jesus, Nor do they claim to have leaders promoting 2,000 dreams and visions given by the Lord such as 7th Day Adventism's Ellen G White

 

[Cooper]

Oh please...this is kindergarten stuff.....

The OT translates YAHWEH as "LORD"......but God is not nameless...he gave his name to Moses to pass on to his chosen nation.

Exodus 3:13-15 from the Jewish Tanakh reads...

"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:

14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"

God told Moses the meaning of his name " יְהֹוָ֞ה " (Yahweh transliterated in Hebrew/Jehovah in English) was ""Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)" and he said that this was to be his name "forever"....to be "mentioned in every generation."

If the Jews had not stopped using God's name long before Jesus came as Messiah, then there would not be so many people confused by who owns the title "Lord".
When quoting OT scripture, "the LORD God" is always Yahweh.

Both God and his son rightfully carry the title "Lord"...it is the equivalent of "Sir" or "Master".
It is not a name.

The scripture I quoted from in my previous post to you was from the ASV, not the NWT.

Previously, Moses knew and worshipped the I AM. Then, after he married the daughter of a Kennite priest Moses went over to Yahweh and that is when all the trouble started. Moses never entered the promised land, and he commanded mass killing despite the Ten Commandments. The stone image is the pagan god Yahweh.

 

[JohnPaul]

Or in plain English....including verse 4....
“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. (Hebrews 1:1-4 - ESV)

So what is this actually saying?
God used his prophets in times past to correct the nation of Israel, but with often violent outcomes for those prophets and a stubborn refusal to obey their God’s commands. (Matthew 23:37)
So as the time for the Jewish system to come to a close, (with the ransom of Christ and hence dispensing with animal sacrifices, and the implementation of the new covenant) things were about to change for the Jews.....but only those Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah were promised salvation. Only a remnant of natural Israel did, as foretold. (Romans 9:27)

So Jesus was “appointed the heir of all things”....but who appointed him? And what was his inheritance?
Since the world was created “through” the Son, as it says in Colossians 1:15-17 that “all things were created through him and for him”....so that is what his inheritance is. His Father appointed him as heir of all that he created.....it was “for him” not for God, who needs nothing.

The son is the exact radiance of his Father’s glory being a magnificent spirit creature, created in the image of his Father, but not in the way humans are. The pre-human Jesus was a glorious and powerful spirit being. So after he had fulfilled his earthly mission...(the one his Father “sent” him to do, John 17:3) he sat down at God’s right hand....a place of prominence as second only to God, and it says that he “becomes superior to angels” and has a name “more excellent than theirs”....
Is this speaking about someone who is equal to his God? How could you possibly say that?

So right away, don’t we see that the scripture you use is not actually saying what you think it does.


They are “one” in unity of spirit and purpose.....but they are not “one” God.
Christ’s disciples were said to be “one” also with God and his son.....did that make them all “God”? (John 17:20-22)
No one can occupy the place of Yahweh.....Jesus never once tried.

That is a small word “if”......but it can mean the difference between life and death.

I don't understand the concept of people thinking Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God, that means we worship more than one God which does not coincide with Christianity, there is only one God and only one Savior Jesus Christ.

If one doesn't want to read all they have to do is watch the movie Jesus Of Nazareth, in the movie the Pharisees say to Jesus that it is blasphemous that he forgave someone, that only God could forgive and Jesus turned around and said I am the son of God and my Father has invested in me the power to forgive or something to that meaning, it's been awhile since I've seen the movie.

 

[Cooper]

I don't understand the concept of people thinking Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God, that means we worship more than one God which does not coincide with Christianity, there is only one God and only one Savior Jesus Christ.

If one doesn't want to read all they have to do is watch the movie Jesus Of Nazareth, in the movie the Pharisees say to Jesus that it is blasphemous that he forgave someone, that only God could forgive and Jesus turned around and said I am the son of God and my Father has invested in me the power to forgive or something to that meaning, it's been awhile since I've seen the movie.

The Father is Spirit and the Father's Spirit was in Christ Jesus. Therefore those in the presence of Jesus were in the presence of the Father giving us God with us.

We have our father's spirit in us, while being One person and so it is with God.

God was also in the rock that Moses struck.
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[JohnPaul]

The Father is Spirit and the Father's Spirit was IN Christ Jesus. Therefore those in the presence of Jesus were in the presence of the Father i.e. God with us.

We have our father's spirit in us, while being One person.
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But God is still God and Jesus Christ is still the only begotten son of God the Father and the Holy Spirit is what feel through having God and Jesus Christ in us, once we believe and accept in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior who died on the Cross for us and is the only begotten son of God the father.

 

[Cooper]

But God is still God and Jesus Christ is still the only begotten son of God the Father and the Holy Spirit is what feel through having God and Jesus Christ in us, once we believe and accept in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior who died on the Cross for us and is the only begotten son of God the father.

That was after the incarnation.

As we know there is only One God and before the incarnation it was the pre-incarnate WORD also known as the I AM.
You know who the I AM is. :)
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[JohnPaul]

That was after the incarnation.

As we know there is only One God and before the incarnation it was the pre-incarnate WORD also known as the I AM.
You know who the I AM is. :)
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Yes of course I know.

 

[Cooper]

Yes of course I know.

Who did Jesus say was before Abraham?
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[Aunty Jane]

Non denominational churches in the US in the majority have a statement of faith that contain the essentials in the Christian faith, and my observation finds they are free from denominational boards and dictatorships

Biblical Doctrine is talked about and not hidden as you suggest

These Non Denominations dont believe nor teach Ellen G Whites Investigative Judgement, Soul Sleep, Michael The Arch Angel is Jesus, Nor do they claim to have leaders promoting 2,000 dreams and visions given by the Lord such as 7th Day Adventism's Ellen G White

You really have a problem with the SDA’s don’t you....? I disagree with them on quite a few points too, but not everything they teach is wrong......but I have come to believe that just about everything Christendom teaches is wrong.....and the Bible proves that they have altered their understanding of scripture down through the centuries in order to accommodate their adopted errors. That is exactly what happened to Judaism. By the time Jesus came on the scene, they had completely lost the plot....and by the time of Christ’s return, Christendom will be found in exactly the same situation.....engrossed in man-made doctrines and adopted traditions, proving themselves to be slaves to their own created errors.

This situation was prophesied by Jesus himself. He said that “weeds” of counterfeit “Christianity” would be “sown by the devil”, and that this fake Christianity (revealed by its disobedience to Christ’s clear teachings) would try to choke out the “wheat”, sown by the slaves of the Master. (Matthew 13:24-30; 36-42)

Only when I left Christendom did I truly understand the magnitude of her defection.

At the time of the “harvest”, the reapers (angels) are instructed to gather the “weeds” and destroy them. Only then will the harvest of the “wheat” take place. It is to these “weeds” that Jesus makes his declaration...”I never knew you, depart from me you workers of lawlessness”....(Matthew 7:21-23)

At the time when Jesus comes as judge, “many” will try to excuse themselves by telling Jesus all the things they did ‘in his name’, but Jesus tells them that he has never set foot in their religious institutions.....so we have to make sure that what we believe and teach is the truth, because God will not correct our cherished ‘delusions’. (2 Thessalonians 2:7-12) The “weeds” were already active in the days of the apostles, so they have not surfaced recently. Thousands of years of apostasy have not produced a genuine Christian church, but has divided it into literally thousands of bickering fragments, so in reality “few” end up on the road to life. The majority are on the only other road there is...(Matthew 7:13-14).

That is a sobering truth.....because delusions are perceived as realities....and we choose to believe them....our choices are telling God who we are, and who we believe him to be.

May we all choose wisely....because things are not as they seem.

 

[Aunty Jane]

That was after the incarnation.

As we know there is only One God and before the incarnation it was the pre-incarnate WORD also known as the I AM.
You know who the I AM is. :)
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Is that what you see in the Bible? Is the translation accurate?
Jesus worships his God even in heaven.....that is a difficult thing for trinitarians to explain, because this so called equality of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit doesn’t support that at all.
After returning to heaven, “The Word” took up his former place in the “godhead” according to trinitarian belief.....but Jesus referred to his Father as “my God” four times in Revelation 3:12. John received his Revelation toward the end of the first century....over 60 years after Jesus’ ascension to heaven.

The Word is never called “I Am” and neither is Yahweh. As I have shown many times, that is not the meaning of God’s name. The Tanakh translates the divine name (יְהֹוָ֞ה) is “I Will Be What I Will Be” which is not a statement of his existence, because the Jews already knew that their God existed, but it is a statement of his intentions towards them. He will “be” or “become” whatever he needs to be in order for his will and purpose to be accomplished.
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9864

In John 8:56-58.....Jesus is answering a question about his age....
“Abraham your father rejoiced greatly at the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence......”
Now, what makes the most sense in Jesus’ reply...”I am” or I “was”.
He was answering something in the past tense, not the present...so in order for that statement to make grammatical sense, it has to be “I was” because Jesus was saying that he existed before Abraham was even born. He was not claiming to be God, since “I Am” was not the meaning of God’s name in the first place.

As “the Word” (God’s spokesman) Jesus was “with” his God and Father from “the beginning”, which can only mean the beginning of creation because God is an eternal Being who had no beginning. The Word is his “firstborn”. (Colossians 1:15)

So this convoluted and illogical doctrine has no basis in scripture at all. The Jews never believed in a trinity and Jesus never taught that he was an equal part of God. Jesus said that his Father was the “only true God” (John 17:3) and that he was “sent” by him.

You will never come to a accurate knowledge of the truth by clinging to errors that were established by an apostate church centuries ago regarding the very nature of God. By altering God’s nature and placing another “god” in the Father’s place, the devil has all of Christendom breaking the first Commandment. (Exodus 20:3)

If you don’t believe that the deceiver can do that, then why would Jesus warn that only “few” would be found on the road to life? How can those who identify as “Christians” be accused of being “law breakers”?
That’s how.....

Think about it.....

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus never taught that he was an equal part of God.

You have been reported and I have requested that you be banned for all your lies.

When Jesus said "Before Abraham was "I AM" that conclusively settled the matter of His deity. He also said that if you do not believe that He is "I AM" you will die in your sins.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You have been reported and I have requested that you be banned for all your lies.

So be it Enoch......I have provided all the scriptural reasons for my conclusions, but if you cannot address them without the need to silence me, then so be it. It speaks more of your incompetence to address anything that disagrees with your own view, than it does with any of the points I have raised. If you cannot defend what you believe then why do you believe it?

 

[Truth7t7]

Only when I left Christendom did I truly understand the magnitude of her defection.

At the time of the “harvest”, the reapers (angels) are instructed to gather the “weeds” and destroy them. Only then will the harvest of the “wheat” take place. It is to these “weeds” that Jesus makes his declaration...”I never knew you, depart from me you workers of lawlessness”....(Matthew 7:21-23)

At the time when Jesus comes as judge, “many” will try to excuse themselves by telling Jesus all the things they did ‘in his name’, but Jesus tells them that he has never set foot in their religious institutions.....so we have to make sure that what we believe and teach is the truth, because God will not correct our cherished ‘delusions’. (2 Thessalonians 2:7-12) The “weeds” were already active in the days of the apostles, so they have not surfaced recently. Thousands of years of apostasy have not produced a genuine Christian church, but have divided it into literally thousands of bickering fragments, so in reality “few” end up on the road to life. The majority are on the only other road there is...(Matthew 7:13-14).

That is a sobering truth.....because delusions are perceived as realities....and we choose to believe them....our choices are telling God who we are, and who we believe him to be.

May we all choose wisely....because things are not as they seem.

You left Christendom, please explain?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Previously, Moses knew and worshipped the I AM.

The first 40 years of Moses life was spent as an Egyptian Prince, who was by divine providence, adopted as an infant by Pharaoh's daughter.

He well knew his lineage having been raised till the age of 5 by his own mother.
When he saw an Egyptian slave-driver abusing his brother Israelite, he struck him and killed him, but knew instantly that if he was caught, he would be executed.....so he fled to Midian where he became a humble sheep herder and married one of his employer’s daughters, and had children.

When Moses was called by God to lead Israel out of Egypt by an angel appearing in a burning bush, Moses answered the call.

In their sojourn in the wilderness, Moses made an offer to his brother-in-law Hoʹbab....
"Then Moses said to Hoʹbab the son of Reuʹel (also called Jethro) the Midʹi·an·ite, the father-in-law of Moses: “We are setting out for the place about which Jehovah said, ‘I will give it to you.’ Do come with us, and we will treat you well, because Jehovah has promised good things for Israel.” 30 But he said to him: “I will not go. I will return to my own country and to my relatives.” 31 At this he said: “Please do not leave us, for you know where we should camp in the wilderness, and you can serve as our guide. 32 And if you do come with us, whatever goodness Jehovah shows to us, we will surely show to you.”

Jethro’s ancestors may have had true worship inculcated in them in the past, and some of this perhaps continued in the family. His conduct suggests at least a deep respect for the God of Moses and Israel. (Exodus 18:10-12) Jethro did join Moses.
This proves that this branch of the Midianites at this stage were offered a place with the Israelites by serving as their guides in the wilderness.

Then, after he married the daughter of a Kennite priest Moses went over to Yahweh and that is when all the trouble started. Moses never entered the promised land, and he commanded mass killing despite the Ten Commandments.

What absolute and utter nonsense.

Who is telling you this stuff? Have you ever bothered to check and see if it is true from the Bible?

Moses did not enter the Promised Land because in a fit of anger, he failed to give the credit for his spirit inspired action of bringing water out of the rock, to Yahweh...and took it for himself. God held him accountable for that. Those who lead have greater responsibility.

Moses commanded nothing, but simply carried out the instructions of his God. When that involved meting out justice such as those who worshipped the golden calf, it often involved the deaths of many disobedient ones.
The Ten Commandments says "thou shalt not kill" But it means "you must not murder" because Israel had many crimes for which the death penalty was imposed. God's executioners were not murderers, but were sanctioned by God to take the lives of those who defied him and his broke his laws.

The stone image is the pagan god Yahweh.

If there was a pagan god called Yahweh, it was because the apostate Jews blended their worship with that of foreign deities....Yahweh punished them for that. You seem to know little of Israel's rocky history.

It would also be good if you provided sources for your assertions. They cannot be evaluated unless you do.
Opinions count for nothing...back up what you say.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You left Christendom, please explain?

I was raised in the Anglican church, but by my early twenties, (though I had been confirmed in the church at age 15) nothing that was said in that building made any sense to me. It was like having many pieces of a jigsaw puzzle in front of me, without knowing where to put the pieces because half of the puzzle was missing or the pieces were blank.
This frustrated me to no end because, if I am going to believe in something with my whole heart, then my whole mind has to go along for the ride.
What I was being told to believe 'blindly' never had any real backup, and there was never a big picture to show me where the pieces I did have, fitted in.

I didn't want to go to heaven and I came to understand why. God never intended for any humans to go to heaven originally....they were 'programmed' to live forever in paradise, which was intended to be right here on earth. Death was not supposed to happen and that is why it felt so wrong. Why were we grieving if it was such a blessed event? It was the sudden death of my father that prompted my search in earnest...I had to know where he had gone. If he was up in heaven missing us like we were missing him, how could heaven be a happy place?

I left the Anglican church and began an investigation into other denominations in the hope of finding the truth, which was always missing. But no matter what denomination I explored, the same unsupported doctrines kept coming up, and some so out of sinc with the Bible that I balked....so I expanded my search to explore other faiths.....Eastern religions had some merit but the idolatry was so off putting.....and science, including the theory of evolution....but in every path I took, there was a dead end and I failed to find the God that Jesus spoke about. Death was still an unanswered mystery...

I wanted the Bible's truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth....but no denomination in Christendom gave that to me. They were all just different versions of the same unfulfilling story. Same platitudes, guesswork and assertions, but no real Bible truth.

Just when I was ready to give up, I believe that God found me...and he introduced himself to me by answering all my unanswered questions, straight from his word.....I then understood why Jesus sent his disciples out to spread his message. He said that "this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come". (Matthew 24:14; Matthew 10:11-14) This was part of his "sign" that we were in the "end times".

So right up until "the end" people would hear an unpopular message preached by a despised minority and it will be their undoing. (John 15:18-21)
When Jesus said that "few" are on the road to life....there is a reason. (Matthew 7:13-14; 21-23)

"Just like the days of Noah", Jesus said it would be when he was to return (Matthew 24:37-39)....and here we are. How many listened to Noah? He was like some 'fruitcake' building a gigantic box in the middle of a cleared field and telling the people that a flood was coming.....what fool could take him seriously?

Could people again be fooled by the appearance of the messenger, and miss the full import of the message?

Its a good question, don't you think?

 

[Cooper]

The first 40 years of Moses life was spent as an Egyptian Prince, who was by divine providence, adopted as an infant by Pharaoh's daughter.

He well knew his lineage having been raised till the age of 5 by his own mother.
When he saw an Egyptian slave-driver abusing his brother Israelite, he struck him and killed him, but knew instantly that if he was caught, he would be executed.....so he fled to Midian where he became a humble sheep herder and married one of his employees' daughters, and had children.

When Moses was called by God to lead Israel out of Egypt by an angel appearing in a burning bush, Moses answered the call.

In their sojourn in the wilderness, Moses made an offer to his brother-in-law Hoʹbab....
"Then Moses said to Hoʹbab the son of Reuʹel (also called Jethro) the Midʹi·an·ite, the father-in-law of Moses: “We are setting out for the place about which Jehovah said, ‘I will give it to you.’ Do come with us, and we will treat you well, because Jehovah has promised good things for Israel.” 30 But he said to him: “I will not go. I will return to my own country and to my relatives.” 31 At this he said: “Please do not leave us, for you know where we should camp in the wilderness, and you can serve as our guide. 32 And if you do come with us, whatever goodness Jehovah shows to us, we will surely show to you.”

Jethro’s ancestors may have had true worship inculcated in them in the past, and some of this perhaps continued in the family. His conduct suggests at least a deep respect for the God of Moses and Israel. (Exodus 18:10-12) Jethro did join Moses.
This proves that this branch of the Midianites at this stage were offered a place with the Israelites by serving as their guides in the wilderness.


What absolute and utter nonsense.

Who is telling you this stuff? Have you ever bothered to check and see if it is true from the Bible?

Moses did not enter the Promised Land because in a fit of anger, he failed to give the credit for his spirit inspired action of bringing water out of the rock, to Yahweh...and took it for himself. God held him accountable for that. Those who lead have greater responsibility.

Moses commanded nothing, but simply carried out the instructions of his God. When that involved meting out justice such as those who worshipped the golden calf, it often involved the deaths of many disobedient ones.
The Ten Commandments says "thou shalt not kill" But it means "you must not murder" because Israel had many crimes for which the death penalty was imposed. God's executioners were not murderers, but were sanctioned by God to take the lives of those who defied him and his broke his laws.


If there was a pagan god called Yahweh, it was because the apostate Jews blended their worship with that of foreign deities....Yahweh punished them for that. You seem to know little of Israel's rocky history.

It would also be good if you provided sources for your assertions. They cannot be evaluated unless you do.
Opinions count for nothing...back up what you say.

You are best ignored. It is disgraceful, coming here, identifying as a Christian and preaching Judaism that denies the deity of Christ, the end of which is death and destruction.
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[Aunty Jane]

You are best ignored. It is disgraceful, coming here, identifying as a Christian and preaching Judaism that denies the deity of Christ.
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Cooper, you are another one who cannot back up what he claims.....what has that response got to do with what I posted? I simply gave you an account of Moses' history, which you did not seem to be aware of. Make sure of your facts before you post them.
How am I promoting Judaism when Jesus himself never once claimed to be what you said he is.

You too do not seem to understand the difference between 'divinity' and 'deity'....Jesus was divine, but he was not deity. God-like...but not God.

Perhaps it is a good idea to ignore me.....since you cannot defend your own beliefs. You disagree with most Christians here in what you post so how is that not just the most blatant hypocrisy? Good grief! You accused Yahweh of being a pagan god.