A Closer Look at the Genesis Creation Account

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It seems as if we are seeing history repeat.....

Luke 5:18-24....
“And behold, some men were bringing on a bed a man who was paralyzed, and they were seeking to bring him in and lay him before Jesus, but finding no way to bring him in, because of the crowd, they went up on the roof and let him down with his bed through the tiles into the midst before Jesus. And when he saw their faith, he said, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.” And the scribes and the Pharisees began to question, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone? When Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answered them, “Why do you question in your hearts? 23 Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise and walk’? 24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” —he said to the man who was paralyzed— “I say to you, rise, pick up your bed and go home. (ESV)

You echo the words of the Pharisees....as @JohnPaul has already said....God gave Jesus authority to do all that he did.....if he was God, he would have already had all that authority. (Matthew 28:18)
I'm not the one who is a Pharisee. They believed the same as you believe. It is a big leap of faith to believe that God took on the likeness of man and came among us, I do admit. But I have a wonder working, miracle working creator God of heaven, who walked the earth, died in the flesh, rose again and ascended back into heaven.

See John 14:8-9 for Christ's own words and then come back to me. You can click on the link.
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Your OP seemed to propose that heavenly bodies existed before the firmament was made thus existing outside of it, beyond the upper waters.
The “firmament” is not space. The division of the waters below the firmament to the water above the firmament indicates what science calls earth’s atmosphere. The Hebrew word translated "firmament" is..."râqîyaʻ, (raw-kee'-ah) from H7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament."

This is the heavens where the birds fly.....and where gravity operates. There are three 'heavens'....this one between the waters above and the waters below,....then there is the heavens where the sun, moon and stars are located in space, and there is also the invisible heavens where God and his angels reside.

All things on earth are protected by gravity from flying off into space with the earth spinning at the alarming rate of 1,000 MPH, and it orbits the sun at an astounding 67,000 MPH! It is truly mind boggling!

Everything that is needed to sustain life is contained within our atmosphere. It is also protective, in that it prevents an enormous amount of meteorites from reaching the earth’s surface, creating friction as they burn up before doing any harm to earth’s creatures. The moon's pocked surface is proof of Earth's protection from these objects.

Every molecule of water and air inside of earth's atmosphere, is recycled so that earth is a self sustaining “spaceship”. Everything on earth is designed to recycle itself. Only selfish humans pollute their own environments.

We do not know how long "Day" 0 lasted, but we have a calendar once God created light [Genesis 1:3-5].
Well, we have a way to calculate time from then, that is true, but that in no way determines the length of the creative “days”. That word in Hebrew has more than one meaning, as it does in English.

God placed a "gap" (called a firmament) between the upper & lower waters on Day 2. (Before that, it was continuous water.)
Yes, God parted the waters and the firmament was between them. Peter tells us that God used the waters above to flood the earth in Noah’s day.

2 Peter3:5-6...
“They deliberately forget this fact: that God did destroy the world with a mighty flood long after he had made the heavens by the word of his command and had used the waters to form the earth and surround it.” (TLB)

In the beginning, the earth was covered with water until God drew up the water and placed it above the firmament.
God used that water to again flood the earth.....and then perhaps drew it up to the poles where it was snap frozen.

Climate change is now threatening to melt the polar ice caps, which would create another global inundation.

He created heavenly bodies and placed them within said firmament on Day 4.
Actually it says he “made” them, not that he “created” them. Creation of the heavenly bodies happened "in the beginning".
That is a different word and it means to shape or fashion something that is already in existence.

It says....
"And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years. . . .And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:14,16-18 ESV)

We know that lights appear to be in the expanse, from a human standpoint, but thousands of years later, as knowledge progressed, it became clear that the heavenly bodies were not part of the "heavens" where birds fly, but part of the heavens beyond Earth's atmosphere. According to Job, cloud layers prevented the heavenly bodies from being visible on earth.

There is so much more to Genesis than a cursory reading reveals IMO.
 

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The “firmament” is not space. The division of the waters below the firmament to the water above the firmament indicates what science calls earth’s atmosphere. The Hebrew word translated "firmament" is..."râqîyaʻ, (raw-kee'-ah) from H7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament."

This is the heavens where the birds fly.....and where gravity operates. There are three 'heavens'....this one between the waters above and the waters below,....then there is the heavens where the sun, moon and stars are located in space, and there is also the invisible heavens where God and his angels reside.

All things on earth are protected by gravity from flying off into space with the earth spinning at the alarming rate of 1,000 MPH, and it orbits the sun at an astounding 67,000 MPH! It is truly mind boggling!

Everything that is needed to sustain life is contained within our atmosphere. It is also protective, in that it prevents an enormous amount of meteorites from reaching the earth’s surface, creating friction as they burn up before doing any harm to earth’s creatures. The moon's pocked surface is proof of Earth's protection from these objects.

Every molecule of water and air inside of earth's atmosphere, is recycled so that earth is a self sustaining “spaceship”. Everything on earth is designed to recycle itself. Only selfish humans pollute their own environments.


Well, we have a way to calculate time from then, that is true, but that in no way determines the length of the creative “days”. That word in Hebrew has more than one meaning, as it does in English.


Yes, God parted the waters and the firmament was between them. Peter tells us that God used the waters above to flood the earth in Noah’s day.

2 Peter3:5-6...
“They deliberately forget this fact: that God did destroy the world with a mighty flood long after he had made the heavens by the word of his command and had used the waters to form the earth and surround it.” (TLB)

In the beginning, the earth was covered with water until God drew up the water and placed it above the firmament.
God used that water to again flood the earth.....and then perhaps drew it up to the poles where it was snap frozen.

Climate change is now threatening to melt the polar ice caps, which would create another global inundation.


Actually it says he “made” them, not that he “created” them. Creation of the heavenly bodies happened "in the beginning".
That is a different word and it means to shape or fashion something that is already in existence.

It says....
"And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years. . . .And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:14,16-18 ESV)

We know that lights appear to be in the expanse, from a human standpoint, but thousands of years later, as knowledge progressed, it became clear that the heavenly bodies were not part of the "heavens" where birds fly, but part of the heavens beyond Earth's atmosphere. According to Job, cloud layers prevented the heavenly bodies from being visible on earth.

There is so much more to Genesis than a cursory reading reveals IMO.
As you say, what God can do is truly "mind boggling."
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The “firmament” is not space. The division of the waters below the firmament to the water above the firmament indicates what science calls earth’s atmosphere. The Hebrew word translated "firmament" is..."râqîyaʻ, (raw-kee'-ah) from H7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament."
I have heard that argument before.
Its biggest flaw is that the firmament created on Day 2 must somehow
not be the same firmament that was referenced on Day 4.​
All of those arguments are quite weak.
 
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We will disagree, hippos dont have tails like cedar trees, however brontosaurus did

Scripture clearly teaches that Job walked with the (Behemoth/Brontosaurus)

(Behold Now Behemoth)


Behemoth was Brontosaurus, and Job walked with him, the description is clear and simple below, Its all yours, we disagree

Job 40:15-24KJV
15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Do you think that if you post something enough times, it will make it true?
dunno

You can believe it if you wish, but there is no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible. No mention of leaving them off the ark either.
 

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I'm not the one who is a Pharisee. They believed the same as you believe. It is a big leap of faith to believe that God took on the likeness of man and came among us, I do admit. But I have a wonder working, miracle working creator God of heaven, who walked the earth, died in the flesh, rose again and ascended back into heaven.

See John 14:8-9 for Christ's own words and then come back to me. You can click on the link.
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I'm with Jane on this, that the Almighty God did not come Himself, leaving heaven empty. The Father remained on His throne (not necessarily physically but in overrule power and authority and sovereignty over the universe) at all times throughout the incarnation. He did not vacate heaven to walk this earth in another form. He sent His Son. He sent His Son. He sent His Son. The Father. And the Son, Jesus, formerly known as Michael who was never a created angel but was always the Lord of hosts, the archangel, which literally means head of chief over all the angelic host, humbled Himself and became a man, taking upon Himself human form forever, clothing Himself, wrapping His deity in humanity in order to die for the people He came to save. As deity He could not die. As human, He could die, and did literally die, risking His own immortal life for the sake of mankind.
KJV 1 John 4:9-10
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
KJV 1 John 3:1
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
 

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He who had been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, He who was the express image of the invisible God, was alone able to reveal the character of the Deity to mankind. This was the reason why the ‘begotten concept’ is so important. Christ is said to be the “express image of the invisible God”. It was God (deity) revealing God. You and I, aunty Jane aren't that far apart in our denial of Trinity, but you fail to recognize Christ as a literal son. Christ alone is 'the express image' of the Father; but man was formed 'in the likeness of God.' Christ is literally begotten of God (the Father) therefore showing He was truly both the Son of God and God Himself (in the person of the Son). Notice it says that only Christ (“Christ alone”) is the express image of the Father. No mention is made of the Holy Spirit. Never in the Scriptures is He said to be the express image of the Father’s person. Never is He said to be begotten of the Father. This can only be said of Christ. He is the only begotten of God. Because the Son is begotten of the Father) “Hebrews 1:4 tells us that the Son's name, God, was "a more excellent name" than the angels received, because He obtained it "by inheritance," that is, as "heir of all things."
Christ received this “inheritance” because He was begotten of the Father. This is why some of the early Christian writings say ‘'very God from very God' (‘true God from true God’). A son is the natural heir, and when God made Christ His heir, He recognized His sonship. “When God made Christ His heir”, this is obviously with reference to Christ’s pre-existence – when He was originally begotten of the Father. This is referring to a point in eternity when this happened. This is when the Father “recognized His [Christ’s] sonship”. And it also sets the timeframe for the Father's declaration,
KJV Hebrews 1:5-14
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Here the scriptures are making a vast difference between the begotten Son and angels, no matter how you describe "a mighty Spirit creature".

When you say....
"You and I, aunty Jane aren't that far apart in our denial of Trinity, but you fail to recognize Christ as a literal son."
I believe it is I who acknowledge the actual "sonship" more literally than you do.
You seem to think that God gave birth to a son who was in every respect a "God" like his Father...and he was like his Father in many ways, but he was not "God" and never claimed to be.

The one thing God is not....and that is "created"...but the son is a creation of his Father.....the very first of his creative acts. (Revelation 3:14; Colossians 1:15)

How you arrive at his "begetting" is a convoluted and twisted tale...almost as far fetched as Christendom's version.....and still a breach of the first Commandment. Putting another "god" in the Father's place...on equal footing with him.
At least we agree that the pre-human Jesus was Michael the Archangel....which means "chief of the angels". He was a servant of his God.
Acts 3:13...
"The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you handed over and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him." (NASB)
How does God become a servant of his equal?

I still think that you are confusing divinity with deity.

You seem to think we classify Jesus as 'just an angel'....I believe I have made it very clear that he was anything but 'just an angel'.
This unique Son of God was used to create all the angels.....he is nothing like them. The only way they resemble one another is that all are spirit beings.....but that doesn't make them all "GOD".

You said..."Hebrews 1:4 tells us that the Son's name, God, was "a more excellent name" than the angels received".
Is that what you think Hebrews 1:4 is saying?
"having become so much better than the angels, to the extent that He has inherited a more excellent name than they."
How did you get that the Son's name, God, was "a more excellent name"?
dunno

Where is it stated that the son's name is "God"?

Lets try Philippians 2:9-11...
" And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross. 9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (NASB)

So, please explain why or how it is possible for God to "exalt" one who is God like himself?

And how he gives that equal 'partner' a name that is "above every name" when, as the "Most High" there is no name higher than what he already has? (Psalm 83:18)
Curiously, Yahweh has only one name...but Jesus has many names depending upon the role he is fulfilling.

And, seriously, if you want to make my eyes glaze over continue to use the KJV
palm
....who do you know who speaks in archaic English?
This is the worst translation for Bible study because nothing in it is clearly stated, and most of the words are completely outdated. No one speaks like that anymore and haven't for hundreds of years. Its time to move on I think......The KJV is like an old habit....a worn out but comfortable pair of old slippers.
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The Father. And the Son, Jesus, formerly known as Michael who was never a created angel but was always the Lord of hosts, the archangel, which literally means head of chief over all the angelic host, humbled Himself and became a man, taking upon Himself human form forever, clothing Himself, wrapping His deity in humanity in order to die for the people He came to save. As deity He could not die. As human, He could die, and did literally die, risking His own immortal life for the sake of mankind.
KJV 1 John 4:9-10
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
KJV 1 John 3:1
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Your claim Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist false doctrine

Michael referred to Jesus Christ the Lord when rebuking satan as seen below

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
 

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Who said it was false?
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Gods word says its false :)

Claims that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist false doctrine

Michael referred to Jesus Christ the Lord when rebuking satan as seen below

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
 

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I have heard that argument before.
Its biggest flaw is that the firmament created on Day 2 must somehow
not be the same firmament that was referenced on Day 4.​
All of those arguments are quite thin.
If you say so.....you can believe whatever you wish. I know what I believe and why I believe it....
We don't use the word "firmament" today so many translation simply call it "the expanse", because that is what it was....the expanse above the earth that ended in a barrier between earth's atmosphere and outer space.

Day four talks about "the expanse of the heavens"......a different expanse.
 

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Gods word says its false :)

Claims that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist false doctrine

Michael referred to Jesus Christ the Lord when rebuking satan as seen below

Jude 1:9KJV
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
A little research would help you understand what Jude was saying.....
He was quoting Zechariah 3:2...which says...
" Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan".....so not what you imagine...that is what happens when you do not use an accurate translation or refer back to what the OT actually said.
So he was saying that Jehovah was the one doing the rebuking, not Jesus/Michael.

The LORD is Jehovah in the Hebrew Tanakh. Don't confuse him with the Lord Jesus......
 

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A little research would help you understand what Jude was saying.....
He was quoting Zechariah 3:2...which says...
" Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan".....so not what you imagine...that is what happens when you do not use an accurate translation or refer back to what the OT actually said.
So he was saying that Jehovah was the one doing the rebuking, not Jesus/Michael.

The LORD is Jehovah in the Hebrew Tanakh. Don't confuse him with the Lord Jesus......
Jesus Christ Is "The Lord" Of The Old And New Testament, Michael Was Referring To Jesus Christ The Lord

You push the name "Jehovah" In Zechariah 3:2 are you Jehovahs Witness Quoting from Their New World Translation?

Claims that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist false doctrine

Zechariah 3:2KJV
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

1 Corinthians 12:3KJV
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
 
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Jesus Christ Is "The Lord" Of The Old And New Testament, Michael Was Referring To Jesus Christ The Lord

You push the name "Jehovah" In Zechariah 3:2 are you Jehovahs Witness Quoting from Their New World Translation?

Claims that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist false doctrine

Zechariah 3:2KJV
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

1 Corinthians 12:3KJV
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Oh please...this is kindergarten stuff.....

The OT translates YAHWEH as "LORD"......but God is not nameless...he gave his name to Moses to pass on to his chosen nation.

Exodus 3:13-15 from the Jewish Tanakh reads...

"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:

14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"


God told Moses the meaning of his name " יְהֹוָ֞ה " (Yahweh transliterated in Hebrew/Jehovah in English) was ""Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)" and he said that this was to be his name "forever"....to be "mentioned in every generation."

If the Jews had not stopped using God's name long before Jesus came as Messiah, then there would not be so many people confused by who owns the title "Lord".
When quoting OT scripture, "the LORD God" is always Yahweh.

Both God and his son rightfully carry the title "Lord"...it is the equivalent of "Sir" or "Master".
It is not a name.

The scripture I quoted from in my previous post to you was from the ASV, not the NWT.
 

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Oh please...this is kindergarten stuff.....

The OT translates YAHWEH as "LORD"......but God is not nameless...he gave his name to Moses to pass on to his chosen nation.

Exodus 3:13-15 from the Jewish Tanakh reads...

"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:

14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"


God told Moses the meaning of his name " יְהֹוָ֞ה " (Yahweh transliterated in Hebrew/Jehovah in English) was ""Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)" and he said that this was to be his name "forever"....to be "mentioned in every generation."

If the Jews had not stopped using God's name long before Jesus came as Messiah, then there would not be so many people confused by who owns the title "Lord".
When quoting OT scripture, "the LORD God" is always Yahweh.

Both God and his son rightfully carry the title "Lord"...it is the equivalent of "Sir" or "Master".
It is not a name.

The scripture I quoted from in my previous post to you was from the ASV, not the NWT.
Claims that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist false doctrine

Are you Jehovahs Witness or 7th Day Adventist?
 

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That is the difficult sell.
Not difficult at all really......just read it as is.....

Genesis 1:6-8....
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day."

Genesis 1:14-15, 17...
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. . . . . And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth".

Different "firmaments"....different "heavens"......one is just "the firmament" between the waters....and the other is "the firmament of heaven" where the heavenly bodies shine......plain as day. There are the "heavens" where birds fly...and there is the "heavens" where the sun, moon and stars are located.
Have you never done word studies?
 

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Claims that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Witness and 7th Day Adventist false doctrine
LOL.....
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Who's a pretty boy then?

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Is there an echo in here???
dunno


Are you Jehovahs Witness or 7th Day Adventist?
What does it matter? You have obviously been taught to hate both of us.....:D
 

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Not difficult at all really......just read it as is.....

Genesis 1:6-8....
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day."

Genesis 1:14-15, 17...
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. . . . . And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth".

Different "firmaments"....different "heavens"......one is just "the firmament" between the waters....and the other is "the firmament of heaven" where the heavenly bodies shine......plain as day. There are the "heavens" where birds fly...and there is the "heavens" where the sun, moon and stars are located.
Have you never done word studies?
I disagree, same firmament of heaven created on the 2nd day, with the lights in this heaven, sun, moon, stars, added on the 4th day
 
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LOL.....
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Who's a pretty boy then?

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Is there an echo in here???
dunno



What does it matter? You have obviously been taught to hate both of us.....:D
I dont hate Jehovahs Witnesses or 7th Day Adventist

JW's Charles Taze Russel, and 7th Day Adventist founder Ellen G. White, they both are false teachers, and my observation and opinion dosent stand alone

7th Day Adventist, the great disappointment on falsely predicting Jesus return 1844, the investigative judgement, soul sleep in annihilation, Ellen G Whites claims of 2,000 dreams and visions given by the Lord

Just a few dishonorable mentions given to the cult leader of Ellen G White