A bunch of verses that prove that ALL who ever existed will live in God's Kingdom!

[NotTheRock]

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham.
Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring.
Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.
Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God.
Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God.
Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever.
Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him.
Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation.
Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall.
Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth.
Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him.
Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness.
Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least.
Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate.
Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent.
Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever.
Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost.
Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people.
Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation.
John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world.
John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ.
John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live.
John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him.
John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself.
John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world.
John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him.
Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything.
Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness.
Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men.
Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ.
Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.
2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself.
Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ.
Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe.
Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted?
1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone.
1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but of the sins of the whole world.
1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works.
1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world.
Revelation 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ).
Revelation 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new.

 

[Taken]

A bunch of verses that prove that ALL who ever existed will live in God's Kingdom!

A bunch of those verses IS about God, not men.

Regarding man..
Yes every Knee shall bend and every tongue shall confess…

However…
the Body (it’s Life Blood) will have Died…and the Body ONLY shall bow and confess ONCE the living SOUL returns to the Body…


Matt 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The WILL of the Father is Confession of Belief, While the LIFE (blood) is alive IN the Body…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[NotTheRock]

Does God want all people to be saved?
Does God get what God wants?

 

[pepper]

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham.
Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring.
Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.
Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God.
Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God.
Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever.
Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him.
Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation.
Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall.
Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth.
Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him.
Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness.
Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least.
Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate.
Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent.
Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever.
Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost.
Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people.
Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation.
John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world.
John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ.
John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live.
John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him.
John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself.
John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world.
John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him.
Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything.
Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness.
Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men.
Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ.
Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.
2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself.
Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ.
Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe.
Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted?
1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone.
1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but of the sins of the whole world.
1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works.
1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world.
Revelation 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ).
Revelation 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new.

You believe in Universalism? Universal Salvation?

If your premise is valid, why is there a seat of judgement in Revelation? Where those dead in sin will be judged and then cast into the pit.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham.
Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring.
Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.
Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God.
Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God.
Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever.
Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him.
Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation.
Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall.
Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth.
Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him.
Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness.
Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least.
Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate.
Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent.
Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever.
Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost.
Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people.
Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation.
John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world.
John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ.
John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live.
John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him.
John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself.
John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world.
John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him.
Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything.
Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness.
Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men.
Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ.
Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.
2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself.
Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ.
Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe.
Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted?
1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone.
1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but of the sins of the whole world.
1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works.
1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world.
Revelation 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ).
Revelation 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new.

Dear NotTheRock,
I completely agree with your post. Christ was sent by His Father to save the world and He came with a plan to do it. And since Christ is mankind's God, He cannot fail as the apostate church believes and teaches.

In this age, Christ is only saving those who were chosen for the early salvation. They are the Elect/Saints/Bride/Heirs/First Fruits. They were blessed solely to satisfy the purposes of God and not because of anything they had ever done. They will reign with Christ in the next and final age to assist Christ in bringing in the balance of mankind in the final age.

Do you understand the pathway to salvation that Christ causes His Elect to follow in this age? Do you understand the plan that Christ causes the balance of mankind to follow in the next age? The two plans are very similar but the order of a couple of the steps is reversed.

If you don't know the two plans, I would be willing to share them as presented by scripture.

Joe

 

[NotTheRock]

Dear NotTheRock,
I completely agree with your post. Christ was sent by His Father to save the world and He came with a plan to do it. And since Christ is mankind's God, He cannot fail as the apostate church believes and teaches.

In this age, Christ is only saving those who were chosen for the early salvation. They are the Elect/Saints/Bride/Heirs/First Fruits. They were blessed solely to satisfy the purposes of God and not because of anything they had ever done. They will reign with Christ in the next and final age to assist Christ in bringing in the balance of mankind in the final age.

Do you understand the pathway to salvation that Christ causes His Elect to follow in this age? Do you understand the plan that Christ causes the balance of mankind to follow in the next age? The two plans are very similar but the order of a couple of the steps is reversed.

If you don't know the two plans, I would be willing to share them as presented by scripture.

Joe

I don't know. Please share. Thanks.

 

[NotTheRock]

You believe in Universalism? Universal Salvation?

If your premise is valid, why is there a seat of judgement in Revelation? Where those dead in sin will be judged and then cast into the pit.

I encourage you to read what I shared in the OP. For me it's difficult to disagree with God's word.

 

[Taken]

Does God want all people to be saved?

Yes.

Does God get what God wants?

Yes, but not according to YOUR standard.
Meaning…
* God LOVES ALL of His Creations.
* ALL of His Creations Do not, Will not LOVE Him.
* ALL who Do not, Will not LOVE God, Will be, Shall be: Destroyed, Forgotten, Remembered no more.
* ALL who Do, Will LOVE God, (while ALIVE in their BLOOD flesh Life)…Will be, Shall be, Gods INHERITANCE, and MADE Alive forevermore WITH God.
* IN EFFECT…ALL Gods Creations He Remembers, SHALL forevermore LOVE Him and BE WITH Him.
(It is a parallel to a human couples marriage without a divorce…that human men are “supposed” to “practice” in “preparation” for a Forever Union WITH God.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[FaithWillDo]

I don't know. Please share. Thanks.

Dear NotTheRock,
There is a pathway to salvation that Christ will cause all His Elect to travel to be converted. It is a very concealed plan even though it is frequently taught throughout scripture.

Below is the pathway the Elect will travel to their moment of conversion/salvation. It was established shortly after the death of Paul (Acts 20:29-31 & 1Tim 1:16).

• Christ gives the Early Rain of the Spirit to call a person to be a saint. This includes the "many" and the "few" (Mat 22:14). This is when the person will make a confession of faith and will enter the church (1Cor 12:3). However, the new believer will remain spiritually blind, carnally minded and unconverted at this time (Mat 12:43-45, Mark 8:15-25 & Paul's experience on the Damascus Road).
• The spirit of anti-Christ will then enter the unconverted believer and cause the Abomination of Desolation to occur within them. This is when the new believer consumes Satan's leavened bread and becomes "worse than the first"; a Man of Sin who mixes their own works with faith under the New Covenant. This is when they receive the Mark of the Beast.
• The new believer then "falls away" (mixes works with faith/sin that leads to death) and loses their salvation. They unknowingly enter the apostate church. The "many" who are only called to be saints will remain in this lost condition until they die.
• For the Elect (the "few"), Christ will "come again" to them and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit (Spirit of Truth/Baptism of the Spirit). This is when an Elect believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise (Eph 1:10-14). With the Latter Rain of the Spirit, the fallen away Elect believer will repent of their works and make Christ's pathway straight for Him to "appear".
• Also at this time, the believer's spiritual blindness is healed.
• Christ then spiritually “appears” and gathers the believer (now born again as child of God) to heaven (spiritually speaking, not literally, Mat 24:29-31). This is when the Marriage of the Lamb occurs.
• Now with "eyes that can see", the Marriage Supper of the Lamb/Lord's Supper will occur where Christ feeds the Elect believer His Bread and New Wine (truth of the New Covenant). This is when they will "see" the Abomination of Desolation which previously occurred within themselves when the spirit of anti-Christ entered them (Mat 24:15-16).
• The truth the believer receives from Christ will begin the Day of the Lord/Thousand Years Reign (judgment).
• During the Day of the Lord, the spirit of anti-Christ and the believer's carnal spirit (Great Harlot) will be "taken" from within them and cast into the Lake of Fire for destruction (shown in Rev 19:20 and Mat 24:40-41).
• The believer is now converted.
• After the conversion process is complete, all that will remain within the believer is the Holy Spirit who will begin maturing the new child of God into a perfect man of full age by feeding them "meat" accompanied by any necessary chastisement. This maturing process will teach them righteousness (Isa 26:9, Phi 2:13).
• Next comes the time of testing by Satan when he is loosed from his prison (Rev 20:7-10). After the believer passes their time of testing, it will be said that they have overcome this world just as Christ overcame this world (Rev 3:21).
• The believer is now ready for the bodily resurrection which will occur at the end of the age (redemption of the body).

As the summary above shows, the pathway to salvation begins for a person when Christ comes to them like He did to Paul on the Damascus Road. When Christ comes, He will freely give them the Early Rain of the Spirit. Rain/water is a spirit word (John 6:63) for the Holy Spirit.

Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the RAIN, as the Latter and Former (Early) RAIN unto the earth.

Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain (Early Rain), and to the great rain (Latter Rain) of his strength.

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh (this is when Christ comes with the Latter Rain & judgment to convert the Elect person).

With the small measure of the Spirit (Early Rain), the person will have a "measure of faith" and will accept Jesus as their Lord. This is when a person becomes a "babe" in Christ and when they enter the church.

This scripture applies to the concealed nature of Christ's teachings:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (the converted Elect). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they (babes who draw milk) might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Because Christ's spiritual teachings of the New Covenant cannot be understood by "babes" in Christ, Satan can and will deceive them. It cannot be avoided.

Christ describes the spiritual process of becoming apostate in the verses below:

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.

Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.

This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.

If the apostate babe has been chosen as one of the Elect, Christ will come to them a second time (this is commonly called the second coming of Christ) and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. If the person is one of the "many" who are not chosen, Christ will not come to them a second time. This will cause them to remain under Satan's deceptions until they die. Upon their resurrection from the grave, they will be cast into the Lake of Fire where they will eventually receive their portion (Luke 12:46, salvation) with the unbelievers in the final age.

For the Elect, after Christ gives them the Latter Rain, the new child of God will be born and will be spiritually gathered to heaven (not a literal change of location). Now that the believer is a child of God, their spiritual blindness will be healed. It is at this time that they will see the Abomination of Desolation (Mat 24:15) that previously occurred within themselves when the spirit of anti-Christ entered and deceived them. This is the same event as when the "wicked" (man of sin) is revealed (2Thes 2:8). After the believer understands that they are a man of sin, judgment (Day of the Lord) will fall on them as "typed" by the story of Lot and Sodom & Gomorrah. This judgment is also described in Mat 24:37-41 and in Rev 19:11-21. During this judgment, the believer will have their marred and carnal spirit (the Great Harlot) removed and cast into the Lake of Fire for destruction. Also, the spirit of anti-Christ will likewise be removed and destroyed.

After this judgment is complete, the believer will be converted and saved.

I'll make a second post to present the pathway to salvation the "lost" of the final age will travel to their salvation.

Joe

 

[FaithWillDo]

I don't know. Please share. Thanks.

Dear NotTheRock,

For the "lost" (non-chosen), they will be resurrected at the end of this age. They (goats) will then be separated from the sheep (Elect) and cast into the Lake of Fire where Christ will administer their judgment according to the Law. The penalty for sin according to the Law is death.

The Lake of Fire is not literal fire. It is a symbol which represents judgment.

During their judgment, before anyone perishes, Christ will not omit justice, mercy or faith from their judgment.

This verse applies:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Christ will show "mercy" to each person by freely giving them the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. Shown in Joel 2. With the Spirit, they will have "faith" and will be born again as a child of God. The newly born child of God will then be gathered to heaven leaving only the child of the devil to remain in the Lake of Fire to perish. This death will satisfy "justice".

After the last person is saved, mankind (children of the devil) will cease to exist but the Kingdom of Heaven will be that much fuller.

Final point: The Elect are saved first and then judged. Because they become a child of God prior to their judgment commencing, they will not experience the wrath of God during their time of judgment. In the final age, however, the "lost" will begin their time of judgment before they become a child of God. At this time, the person (as a child of the devil) will experience the wrath of God. This is why they are tormented in their time of judgment. But before they perish, they will be born again as a child of God. Upon this birth, their torment will end but the judgment will continue until the child of the devil is destroyed. This is what it means to be converted.

Consider this verse:

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Because all mankind has sinned, all mankind has become children of the devil who are condemned. It is this child of the devil who is "condemned already". Nothing can change that death sentence. But because God loves all mankind, He will freely give mankind a new birth as a child of God (the one who "believes on Him") before anyone perishes.

The spiritual process that changes a child of the devil into a child of God is called conversion. So when you see verses like the one below, know that the one who is slain is the child of the devil.

Isa 66:16 For by fire (judgment) and by his sword (Word of God) will the LORD plead with all flesh (all who are condemned/all mankind): and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

And also know that before this death occurs, the child of God will be born. It is in this way that Christ becomes the Savior of the world.

Joe

 

[Jack]

Does God want all people to be saved?
Does God get what God wants?

Did Jesus warn us about the EVERLASTING Hell Fire? Yep!

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!

 

[NotTheRock]

Did Jesus warn us about the EVERLASTING Hell Fire? Yep!

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!

The original Koine Greek didn't say "forever".

 

[Jack]

The original Koine Greek didn't say "forever".

Your a Greek expert? All our English Bibles are wrong? lol

BILLIONS of humans who don't believe in Hell will burn in Hell "forever and ever"

 

[Titus]

Does God want all people to be saved?
Does God get what God wants?

God gets what He wants.
He wants us to choose Him.
God does not want to force us to submit to His will.

Why is there a hell?

 

[NotTheRock]

God gets what He wants.
He wants us to choose Him.
God does not want to force us to submit to His will.

Why is there a hell?

Do you believe that God has the desire and the ability to persuade people to willingly follow him?

 

[Titus]

Do you believe that God has the desire and the ability to persuade people to willingly follow him?

Absolutely. But God is love therefore He loves us enough not to force us to follow Him.
How does God persuade all of mankind to follow Him?
I forgot to say Hello. Dont believe we have ever met?

 

[NotTheRock]

How does God persuade all of mankind to follow Him?

The Bible doesn't say. It only describes Jesus as waiting on the lost to go to him in 1 Corinthians 15:25.

 

[Titus]

The Bible doesn't say. It only describes Jesus as waiting on the lost to go to him in 1 Corinthians 15:25.

John 6:44-45,
- for no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws them, and I will raise them up in the last day
- it is written in the prophets and they will all be  taught of God, everyone that hath  heard and hath  learned from the Father comes to Me

So God draws us through His teaching.
Of course He Himself doesnt come and teach us,

Romans 10:14,17
- how then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed and how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard and how shall they hear without a preacher

- so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God

So, we learn God uses His gospel to persuade men to follow Him.

 

[NotTheRock]

John 6:44-45,
- for no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws them, and I will raise them up in the last day
- it is written in the prophets and they will all be  taught of God, everyone that hath  heard and hath  learned from the Father comes to Me

So God draws us through His teaching.
Of course He Himself doesnt come and teach us,

Romans 10:14,17
- how then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed and how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard and how shall they hear without a preacher

- so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God

So, we learn God uses His gospel to persuade men to follow Him.

I believe the LOF is more a process than a place and that Jesus uses it to chasten the lost so that they too will be able to repent and then follow him. Jesus is the good shepherd; none will be lost forever!

 

[Titus]

I believe the LOF is more a process than a place and that Jesus uses it to chasten the lost so that they too will be able to repent and then follow him. Jesus is the good shepherd; none will be lost forever!

Can you give Scripture for your beliefs?