A bit of a mess in the White House.

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If you want or need to renegotiate trade deals you have every right to do that I"m sure....but there is no need to be belligerent about it. Doesn't seem wise to make enemies out of your own allies, especially in times like these. I don't understand all the ins and outs of the tariffs, but I wonder if smaller economies have needed some tariffs in place in order to balance things out to remain reasonably competitive with a much larger economy like the USA. Not out of any kind of petulance or vindictiveness.

And I'm no expert but I have been wondering whether more delicacy might be wise in order not to crash the whole economic system.
Hey if they crash the old they can rush in the new . This people does not care about humanity sister .
They care about money power and control .
Cursed is the one whose hope and trust be in man .
Blessed is the one whose hope and trust be in THE CHRIST OF GOD ALL MIGHTY .
What did paul once write
PERILIOUS TIMES shall come for many shall be .............................................
and they warned that many would follow their pernscious ways . JUDGMENTS ARE A COMING SISTER
and great and mighty judgment of delusion has been sent
and upon all who recieve it , damnation shall be their end . I quite imagine hard times be a coming sister .
Cause Carolina and prisillca wont repent but rather just keep on getting worse .
 

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This describes all children of God equally. We do whatever it is God sets us to do as unto Him. Daniel, Joseph, excellent examples! I'm still not seeing the conflict. I think everyone benefits from having leaders that are more inclined to do what is right than what is wrong. And if someone who is a Christian isn't more inclined to doing right, well, Houston, we have a problem!

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Daniel and Joseph saw themselves and felt like strangers in a strange land. Not belonging to it. The did their jobs to the best of their ability, but their HEARTS were attached and invested in their true home.
 

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Daniel and Joseph saw themselves and felt like strangers in a strange land. Not belonging to it. The did their jobs to the best of their ability, but their HEARTS were attached and invested in their true home.
And mine isn't?

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Being in the world but not of it, is another way of saying it, I think brother. That doesn't mean to go and be a hermit on a mountaintop, of course we have to interact with this world, while not being unequally yoked with it. Which to me means not being joined/united spiritually with it, at the heart level. We have not received the spirit of the world. We are to maintain our separateness from it. We should be walking to the beat of a different drum, walking in a different kingdom. Just temporary ambassadors of another kingdom here, not belonging to the world.
So, would you take a political office as a Christian, or no?

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If you want or need to renegotiate trade deals you have every right to do that I"m sure....but there is no need to be belligerent about it. Doesn't seem wise to make enemies out of your own allies, especially in times like these. I don't understand all the ins and outs of the tariffs, but I wonder if smaller economies have needed some tariffs in place in order to balance things out to remain reasonably competitive with a much larger economy like the USA. Not out of any kind of petulance or vindictiveness.

And I'm no expert but I have been wondering whether more delicacy might be wise in order not to crash the whole economic system.
Wait and see. Trump is an expert dealmaker, and tariffs are softening the playing field.

We've historically had lower tariffs than other countries have had on our exports. I predict Trump is going to level the playing field, removing our own self-imposed disadvantage.

And don't worry, I don't see this as a spiritually significant thing. Well, to the degree that if he really can fix our economy (I think he can do a lot for it) that fewer people will go to bed hungry, fewer will be without a bed, and so on. I still maintain that's a good thing, and we can work towards it happening, without being disobedient to God.

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Wait and see. Trump is an expert dealmaker, and tariffs are softening the playing field.

We've historically had lower tariffs than other countries have had on our exports. I predict Trump is going to level the playing field, removing our own self-imposed disadvantage.

And don't worry, I don't see this as a spiritually significant thing. Well, to the degree that if he really can fix our economy (I think he can do a lot for it) that fewer people will go to bed hungry, fewer will be without a bed, and so on. I still maintain that's a good thing, and we can work towards it happening, without being disobedient to God.

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Since Uncle SCAM has been STEALING trillions of $$$ from hard working Americans, shouldn't the money be repaid to Americans who earned their money by working? Might be a nice repayment!
 
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If you want or need to renegotiate trade deals you have every right to do that I"m sure....but there is no need to be belligerent about it. Doesn't seem wise to make enemies out of your own allies, especially in times like these. I don't understand all the ins and outs of the tariffs, but I wonder if smaller economies have needed some tariffs in place in order to balance things out to remain reasonably competitive with a much larger economy like the USA. Not out of any kind of petulance or vindictiveness.

And I'm no expert but I have been wondering whether more delicacy might be wise in order not to crash the whole economic system.



GM is increasing domestic production. Ford is offering huge discounts. Geraldo points out that while we drive lots of Japanese cars, they don't drive any of ours.

It's been 1 day.

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Since Uncle SCAM has been STEALING trillions of $$$ from Americans, shouldn't the money be repaid to Americans who earned their money by working? Might be a nice repayment!
Trump had floated the idea of cancelling the federal income tax and financing the government through tariffs, I'd like that!

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I was really hoping you'd be more specific. I'm guessing then that you believe no Christian should be involved in any government or policy making organizations? That any who holds public office, or works for the government, if they should become a Christian, that they should quit and find other employment?

Does it mean Christians should never vote? That we are to leave our governance solely and entirely in unbeliever's hands?

Am I on the right track here? If not, can you be more clear?

Thank you!

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I see no problem with voting ordinarily, and be responsible with regard to civic duties, if there are no reasons of conscience in the way. I plan to vote Conservative in our next election because I know of nothing against the party or its leader. If it came to my awareness that they were corrupt or cavorting with prostitutes or something like that I would abstain. But I'm not digging for dirt and raising questions of conscience. I don't know how God is going to judge Canada specifically, but if the Conservatives win I would consider it to be only a temporary reprieve.........and possibly hearts will be tested here too. Many churches here are quite vested in politics these days, and just well, the true gospel seems to be a rare commodity. The issue to me is how bound up we are in our heart/spirit with matters concerning this world, where our trust and faith lies, what we are invested in.

Brother, I believe "Babylon" is going to fall no matter what we do, if there is no repentance. Based on what the Lord has seen fit to show me in His various ways. It's so important to be prepared, have on the armour of God, and have our trust in God and be in His peace. He gave me Psalm 37, such a good word, because it's hard not be sad and sore vexed at times with things that are going on.
 
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Politics is a 'dog eat dog' venture. Lots of RABID dogs / politicians STEALING our hard earned $$$. ONLY Satan's children would knowingly vote for the baby murderers!
 
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And mine isn't?

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I don't know brother. I'm not accusing you. The bible says no man who is a soldier gets caught up with the civil affairs of the country he's been deployed to (this world) if we want to please our Commanding Officer. We shouldn't be too caught up and enmeshed with these earthly concerns but our concerns and efforts should be for God's kingdom. Maybe ask the Lord about this. I wish I could explain it better.
 

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Many churches here are quite vested in politics these days, and just well, the true gospel seems to be a rare commodity. The issue to me is how bound up we are in our heart/spirit with matters concerning this world, where our trust and faith lies, what we are invested in.
I've come to realize that maybe I live in something of a bubble, "Post-Jesus-People-Movement" Orange County. Churches I've been in, people I know, the Gospel is preached, people are serious about God and Christianity. Politics occupies it's place, an important place, but not more important than Jesus.

But I'll just say again, please don't mistake my strong desire for good governance as though it replaces my relationship with my Maker. I can assure you it does not.

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I don't know brother. I'm not accusing you. The bible says no man who is a soldier gets caught up with the civil affairs of the country he's been deployed to (this world) if we want to please our Commanding Officer. We shouldn't be too caught up and enmeshed with these earthly concerns but our concerns and efforts should be for God's kingdom. Maybe ask the Lord about this. I wish I could explain it better.
I understand, it's about balance. I've been saying that though one perceive another to be fervent about a certain thing, this in no wise means they are less fervent about other things, and may be extremely more so. It's not valid to say, Because you have a strong support of a particular candidate, then you cannot have a strong relationship with God. I say, it may be my good relationship with God that gives me such a strong support for a certain candidate.

Paul wrote to the slaves, accept being a slave, but if you have opportunity to gain your freedom, use it. Doesn't this make it a Biblical mandate to improve our civic/legal status if we have opportunity to do so? To me, that's what voting is. I do my tiny part to choose whom I think will afford us the most liberty and resources, which can be then used to further the kingdom, and to feed the hungry.

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GM is increasing domestic production. Ford is offering huge discounts. Geraldo points out that while we drive lots of Japanese cars, they don't drive any of ours.

It's been 1 day.

Much love!
Well I guess based on the information you have, it's good for America on that level for the moment, but would it be good for America if your allies to the north are pushed into the arms of the EU? See, I think there is more at stake here. But that is just a "political" opinion for what it's worth and I certainly wouldn't get mad at or divide from my brothers and sisters in the Lord in any nation if they have different political opinions from mine.
 
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I've come to realize that maybe I live in something of a bubble, "Post-Jesus-People-Movement" Orange County. Churches I've been in, people I know, the Gospel is preached, people are serious about God and Christianity. Politics occupies it's place, an important place, but not more important than Jesus.

But I'll just say again, please don't mistake my strong desire for good governance as though it replaces my relationship with my Maker. I can assure you it does not.

Much love!
Hope you're right brother. Guard your heart. Blessings.
 
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Well I guess based on the information you have, it's good for America on that level for the moment, but would it be good for America if your allies to the north are pushed into the arms of the EU? See, I think there is more at stake here. But that is just a "political" opinion for what it's worth and I certainly wouldn't get mad at or divide from my brothers and sisters in the Lord in any nation if they have different political opinions from mine.
Generally speaking a strong US is good for the world.

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This is not scripture and secondly... the Lord is going to send sinners to hell so you must think this is a lack of empathy.

Sometimes there is no helping those that embrace false doctrine as they have become reprobate and are not longer teachable meaning they refuse the Lord's wisdom and correction.

Which is why Jesus said to brush off the dust against them and move on to try and reach someone else.




The % of trade is not the issue but % of tariff against US interests. What % tariff does your country, the Netherlands, impose on US goods?

Trump's reciprocal tariffs are fair and we're already seeing some of these countries say they are willing to lower their tariffs so we will lower ours which is what the smart ones are doing.




The point is that it's the job of earthly governments to deal with such things, not the body of CHRIST. HIS kingdom, to which we belong, is not of this world.

That does not mean we cannot and should be advocating for what is fair... but, things like this are not a priority for the Body of Christ and are just a side bar so to speak.




When and how did these tarriffs become so out of balance and unfair for the US and why hasn't anything been done sooner to balance the scales in fairness?

You can thank the liberals for that... they advocate for globalism and falsely claim putting American interests first is fascism.... but then again the liberal also advocate for murdering babies and grooming little children to become sex perverts so go figure
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You've got it backwards. The church is being distracted from its mission and mandate by these earthly fears and concerns.

And yet... mature believes can talk about this stuff without allowing it to become a fear and concern since they can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time! agree.gif





I think some people are seeing dangers and pitfalls that you are just blind to.

Or... some people are ignorant of what is in the best interest for the country being liberals and all.




Sister, he knows, and the others know that you and I are not "liberal leftists." To them, anyone who doesn't praise and worship Trump is the enemy. I don't see that ever changing. In fact, it will get worse.

And the liberals are definitely getting worse... turning in to domestic terrorists

Shouldn't be much longer before one of these liberal nutjobs messes with the wrong person and gets their head blown off... oh well, they stepped in it.



So right sister, I hear you. Expect they will be trying to round up all us "obstructionists" who aren't bowing, and throw us in jail or worse pretty soon. That's how the WORLD rolls.

Yep... the liberals were doing that to conservatives when they liberals were in charge.

Now the tables have turned and conservatives are going to return the favor to the liberals

We all reap what we sow ya know.




Goes to show you how busy satan is these days.

Yeah, the baby killin liberal perverts sure busy increasing their domestic terrorism

Funny how none of the liberal politicians say it's wrong to fire bomb Telas which shows they approve of violence and some of the baby killin liberals are coming out and saying it's OK to engage in arson as a form of political protest
It's gonna be hilarious when the po po puts them in the pokey for a few decades! laughing13.gif




Trump is creating a mess

That's what all the baby killin liberal perverts keep saying wistler2.gif





This is what it will look like in short time:

That's what all the baby killin liberal perverts keep saying wistler2.gif
 
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