A bit of a mess in the White House.
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I was correcting the continues lies that "Trump won with a landslide".
You missed the point. (Again as usual.)
Yes, he should have.
That's what any humble person would have done.
It's all pride.
Let's see how peaceful he is in the future, after four years in office.
Please quote what Trump said about himself.
Israel Heritage Foundation presents Trump with an award for the Abraham Accords
Rabbi David Katz, IHF executive director: The President was very excited to see us. He is very much in favor of Israel having to win the war.www.israelnationalnews.com
Jewish org presents Trump with menorah in appreciation of Abraham Accords
The award was presented to the former president at Mar-a-Lago by Israel Heritage Foundation Executive Director Rabbi David Katz.www.jns.org
Close-up of the full inscription:
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Brakelite
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Having a Christian President may make your life easier, but is that what is good for the church as a whole? From my observation from history, whenever the church joined in any relationship with the world, in particular its politics, it tended to make both parties weaker. Like the iron and clay thing in Daniel. And that union caused more trouble than good, particularly for the church. One quote springs to mind, from one of your more well known founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin. Benny want a Christian I know, and he had a number of faults common to most men, but this one thing he had right...
"When religion is good, it will take care of itself. When it is not able to take care of itself, and God does not see fit to take care of it, so that it has to appeal to the civil power for support, it is evidence to my mind that its cause is a bad one." This quote reflects Franklin's view on the role of religion and its reliance on civil support as an indicator of its true value. I agree with his observation. It's a weak, godless spiritually depleted church that turns to the state for its strength and power. It is akin to spiritual adultery... Abandoning her true Husband in favour of the kings of this world. However, I am undecided as to the true nature of things at present in American politics. It is so volatile and changeable.
Is President Trump appealing to the church for support in maintaining his power, and using the church's natural aversion to left wing social policies such as abortion and gay marriage and woke policies in order to combat political and financial corruption or...
Is the church using President Trump and the Republican party to combat anti Christian sentiment in America with the fruits of gay marriage, abortion, etc etc...
Or is it both? Both parties using each other in the selfish pursuit of its own end. Either way, I don't see God in it. But I certainly do see the eschatological ramifications that could result from such a spiritually illicit relationship. That woman (the church) riding upon the beast (state), holding the reins and controlling the direction the beast takes spread not bode well for America, despite the seeming advantages that such a relationship promises. There may be many things that Trump has accomplished so far this term, and some maybe even good for the nation... But what has he done to directly benefit the church in her core mission of preaching the gospel and revealing the character of Christ in a corrupt sin sick world where many are seeking real answers in their desire to be free from sin and addictions?
Wrangler
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Yea right! I don't support securing the border, only the man who does ...............................
This is how we may try to rationalize and justify.........AKA deceive ourselves. The devil comes in softly and slowly brother.
Nobody enjoys being mistreated and persecuted, but our priority as the church of Christ shouldn't be to avoid paying the price for our faith. And just think, nominal "Christians" are often more dangerous to the true church than non-believers. History bears this out, and the Captain of our faith was crucified by His own, who only had a nominal belief in God under the Law, not the faith that comes from Him, His Spirit.
I saw Trump being interviewed after he had recovered from that first assassination attempt and many were saying he had an experience with God and deepened his faith..........he said good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. That is not the gospel........that is the viewpoint of nominal believers like Catholics. Wishful thinking......is deception.
Marks, I just want to add, that I think in America it is harder to separate church and state in your thinking and heart, because you've been indoctrinated from childhood....to pledge allegiance to the flag and hold national patriotism as the highest virtue, etc. You equate defense of your nation with Godliness. Patriotism isn't actually a virtue in God's eyes, it's just the natural national self-preservation of the natural man. For all of us believers, wherever we happen to be living, in whatever country and nation......our true home and citizenship is not an earthly one, it is the kingdom of God. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating being irresponsible or traitorous, we are to be good stewards while we are here, but not to confuse simple earthly practical matters with what is holy....our priorities and focus should be heavenly/spiritual, not earthly. We need to be separated from the earthly in our heart/spirit and know the difference between the two.
That's not the point. An idol doesnt' necessarily ask to be worshiped. Especially in the beginning. God showed me this in a dream, that Trump would be "empowered" by those outside himself.....he was just minding his business until they came along and egged him on, so to speak. The danger is a spiritual one....it starts first with the souls of those who give their worship to the idol and only later to the idol if it goes to his head. I think that is the meaning or one meaning of the ten kings who "give their power" (worship) to the beast.
amigo de christo
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Yes indeed my dear sister .
The most deadly deciever of all
is not one who comes from without
but one who comes claoked from within .
Even the great betrayal of Christ came from one from within .
In league with the nominals of his day .
Our betrayer and betrayal shall be likewise , as it often has been throughout history
as church n world , n state has merged .
As JESUS was betrayed from within and handed over to the nominals
who then handed him over to the ruling govt
SO TOO has often been the pattern .
As even the RCC who influenced the nations
worked in league with the nations to destroy her enemies . Heck as even protestant land did .
WHEN CHURCH N STATE are ONE , A MASSIVE PROBLEM this truly is my sister .
The love merger will and is only the climatic hour of what has been at work . Its peaking now
and even within socities we see its inclusive nature , its tolerance
Showing teeth to those who do not conform . THIS will get worse .
I don't doubt whatsoever that Trump will have a massive affect on THE END. But some of the accusations against him don't seem quite fair just because others might consider him the savior. I would like to know what he said about himself. Not what others call him.
amigo de christo
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Discernment is very absent amongst the many .
Wrangler
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In life, there are many who might save you from one thing or another. In this respect, Trump is a savior. Only his detractors make the religious allusion for the nefarious purposes of attempting to erode their loyalty.
Those with TDS obsess over his flaws. I don't care about his flaws; only that he does what I hired him to do:
- Secure the border
- Drain the swamp
- MAGA
I think he's trying to do exactly what he promised, UNLIKE POLITICIANS. It's amazing that 'Christians' are fighting against Trump who is trying to save them and America that was on death's door.
amigo de christo
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The only thing that would have saved america and the other nations
Is had they repented . Why do we see the world as it is today , cause even most of christendom has sold out
and now honors even sins and Unbelief .
No matter who sits the throne in america or the world
No nation and no peoples in that nation will see a blessing FROM GOD , LEST REPETANCE be made .
SO if anyone wants and or desires good , then we better get busy
warning much of christendom to turn from the false love spell they are under
stop loving on sin and unbelief , stop heeding the inclusive interfaith finding common ground call ,
AND start rather preaching JESUS and all biblical sound doctrine . TIME to make CORRECTION great again in them churches .
amigo de christo
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Time for a jonah preaching style message . Christendom has in large tanked . GOD is not well pleased
and JUDGMENT is upon this people to lead them and the false religoins and folks of the world
to believe in a love that came NOT OF GOD
to create a very broad path , that accepts sins and unbelief , and man have many loved to have this so .
On this path , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH .
Time to be dressed in sack cloth and ashes , TIME for repentance , while there still be time to do so .
and JUDGMENT is upon this people to lead them and the false religoins and folks of the world
to believe in a love that came NOT OF GOD
to create a very broad path , that accepts sins and unbelief , and man have many loved to have this so .
On this path , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH .
Time to be dressed in sack cloth and ashes , TIME for repentance , while there still be time to do so .
amigo de christo
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Did you just say after FOUR years in office .
May i remind us all about something .
The way this world , nations and christendom is headed
What makes us THINK we even have FOUR years left .
Just a friendly reminder . WHEN that DOOR CLOSES , all outside shall wail .
And no man knows that day or that hour . To the trenches .
THE ONLY THING that would have spared america and the nations
IS repentance . And sadly christendom in large wont make that stand or that call .
No man is gonna save us , NOT biden , not trump , not the pope , not the nar realm
not the massive leaders within christendom . FOR woe woe woe they work darkness
and every day some new sin is allowed and tolerated
and UNBELIEF is even embraced . And they beleive they work together
for a common goal which will bring them peace n safety
BUT , ITS THE PATH that leads to their own sudden destruction that many be on right now .
ITS TIME to preach CHRIST again , and all biblical truth to be used
to correct , to instruct these peoples in righteousness .
Time is running out and in a day known to no man and in an hour known to no man
THE END WILL COME .
Wrangler
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I too find it amazing that Christians are opposing the most pro-Israel, pro-Christian President ever.
I don't know if you remember the thread I started perhaps last summer asking if Christians are better off being ruled by Atheists and Satanists. I asked this question to those who oppose Christian participation in politics. Most refused to answer.
The Strawman argument Christian detractors make is so childish. No one claims Trump is God or should be worshipped. Our society is so upside down that the virtue of loyalty, itself is attacked.
Put yourself in a position of responsibility. BTW, I recently parsed for a friend that power glorifies the ego; responsibility humbles the ego. Imagine being a leader in business or some other political entity. You are there for one reason, to do your job. People want their leaders to succeed. Why can't we give our leaders the benefit of the doubt, even among the faithful? We are collectively not faithful in humility but arrogant in thinking we know better than our leader! Devory Darkins is a YouTuber that I watch regularly. He advises not to freak out over every decision that Trump makes. Give his administration 6 months and look at the results.
I know Trump is going to make mistakes because he's human. I compare his performance to a MLB batter. In his 1st administration, I credited him with batting .979. This is not a failing performance, especially when Biden was batting .010. LOL He's doing so good that the Left have to pretend it is a scandal when somebody dials the wrong number in a phone call! That's petty and most rational people know it.
