9/11 is key to the Truth

[RoyalCubit]

Check this out:9/11 is key to the TruthInteresting take on the Apocalypse.

 

[Christina]

Well I completely agree with that statement not that Ive checked out the link yetbut I believe 9/11 started the countdown to the End.

 

[RoyalCubit]

kriss,You have to check this out, it is very interesting.9/11 is key to the Truth

 

[Christina]

I have a simular type post on here I made some time ago Let me find it and Ill repost it for ya.We can see if we agree:)

 

[Christina]

REPOSTFirst let me remind you that this is just my opinion I have biblical and personal reasons for my opinion but in the end its just an opinion and everyone has one. I think that there is a good chance Satan will be kicked to earth starting the 1st tribulation about May of 2008 however it could be one year later in May of 2009Now before any one accuses me of Date setting, I do not know the actual day or hour no one does save our father in heaven.We are told we are to know the season.What is a season has anyone seen Autumn turn to winter, spring turn to summer?What happens ?We see more and more signs that season is about to change. So it is with the season of the End times. Now why do I think this1. My first reason is the parable of the Fig treeWe are told the last Generation will be the one that sees Israel restored as a nation.God promises the Generation that wittiness's this event shall not pass before the End and the coming of our Lord. This of course occurred in May,15 1948There are three Generations in scripture a 40 yrs,70 yrs,and 120 years.40 years have already passed, Men do not live to 120 years, So that leaves 70 years70 years from 1948 is May 15 2018. So unless our life expectancy increases to 120 years very soon between now and 2018 would seem a reasonable assumption. http://www.christianityboard.com/par...t=parable+tree2. I think there is much misunderstanding about this 7 year(1 week) period of time I think it started on September 11,2001 with the bombing of the twin towers. The day the world changed. From a religious viewpoint it was the event that triggered the beginning of the battle between Ephraim, Manasseh (U.S. Britain) and the rest of ten lost tribes(collectively called Israel) and the descendants of Cain and Radical Islam put another the way the Christian nations against radical Islam (terrorists) and those who say they are Jews but are notAssuming this is so the seven years brings us to Sept. 11 2008.3.Now lets turn our attention to last 3 1/2 years (42 months,or 1260 days) of the seven year period. This is the time spoken of in Rev. some of the events that are mentioned are the coming of Anti christ,( Satan getting kicked out of heaven)The two witnesses ext. Rev. says that Satan can not kill but only torture them for how long? Satan can only toture for five monthsRevelation 9:5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man.Rev.9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. Rev9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. These are names for SatanGod has shortened the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation (the of time Satan/antichrist)a FIVE Month period . Dont misubderstand me here God has only shortened the time Satan has on earth not the actual calander Why for the Elects sakeMatthew 24:22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.Mark 13:20If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.So if the last 3 1/2 years of Satans time is shortened to 5 months and the seven years started on Sept.11, 2001 May thru Sept. is the last five months in the seven year period. However there is the possibility that God could wait until the full Seven years has passed, putting this into the year 2009. (I still think it will May thru sept of that year as that is the time of the locusts and we are also told pray not that it be in winter)As I have said this is a quick version of my opinion based on my observations and Biblical understanding. And there will be No pre- trib rapture before Christs coming at 7th trump,(Gods trump The 2nd Tribulation) I want to add that this could be entirely wrong and God may have his own plan that hasnt come into veiw yetmany humans have thought they knew what God had planed and been wrong,I could just be another in a long line.As fast as things change I might change my mind tomarrow,this is just how I see it today. PSAn interesting side study into some of the deeper things of God Word is found if you study the life cycle of the Locust (Satan and his locust armies)The life of the locust from larvae to Adult hood takes five months (May thru Sept.)Another one is a study of how the scorpion kills its prey a sting to paralyze then by regurgitating its poison into its victim dissolving its insides.Same as Satan's lies will be regurgitated into his victims destroying their souls(inner man) __________________

 

[RoyalCubit]

Our views are similar, but there are some differences.Basically this is how I see it:7 letters to 7 churches: This was done in order to get the book of revelation included in the modern bible by the Nicean Council. The letters fortold events that came to pass right away in order to convince the heads of those churches that the book was in fact a message from Jesus.Seven Seals of the scroll: The scroll is the book of Revelation and it refers to itself throughout the book. The seven seals represent events and characters contained in the book. Each seal comes to pass in a later chapter in the time-line.Seven trumpets: The scroll has been opened and a chronological time-line is established. Each trumpet relates to an event or series of events that happen in a specific order. That is what I have in the post I directed you to.Iraq invades kuwait, US kicks Iraq out of Kuwait, Terrorists attack wtc, US invades Afghanistan and Iraq.It's all there in the right sequence, anyone with an open mind should be able to see it.

 

[Mark]

I thought that 9/11 was just a result of Abraham taking matters (haggar)into his own hands and not trusting God to reveal His promise.

 

[Christina]

Well I dont agree about the 7 churches they are important today they are TYPESof the churches that would exist at the End times the only two he was pleased with are Smyrna and Philadelphia what do they have in common the peoples who claim to be Jews but are not. These are descendants of Cain you can pick up their trail in ExodusI do agree that trumpets are in order while the seals are not

 

[RoyalCubit]

That's how I used to think also. I found a site that broke down each letter to each church and showed how each letter actually came to pass within a few years after the book was written. These were 7 actual churches that existed at the time. I'll see if I can find the link so you can check it out yourself.

 

[Christina]

I know that is true.But the Bible is full of types the sacraficial lamb was a type of Christ,Jonah in the whale a type of Christ 3 days in the tomb the bible has hundreds of types or examples of past things that were symbolic of future things this is where the churches fall. its my contention the Bible has no contrdictions or mistakes, The early church by these names were typesof those in Rev. And this men adding it is a theroy can not be proven and I find the churchs are prochecy of the end time players.The "seven churches" of Asia are formed into a circle geographically, and these churches are symbolizing of all the churches around the globe today. They are symbolic of all the forms of church doctrine represented in the Christian world today. God is not the God of the Middle East, but of the universe; of all the world.

 

[RoyalCubit]

One could certainly make those assumptions and to the average person (which you are not) the book is as clear as mud. That is why there are so many schools of thought about the meaning contained in the book.But remember, in chapter 1 John indicated that he was "in the spirit" and visited by an angel (Jesus). He is then instructed to write seven letters to seven churches to inform them of things that are soon to happen.John himself new of these 7 churches, in fact there were very few Christian churches at the time because the religion was just getting started. The only area of the world know to John was the Roman Empire and the far east and the world was still believed to be flat. In the book, the areas of the world that were later populated are referred to as the wilderness.The prophecy that Jesus proclaimed to John regarding those 7 churches did in fact come true soon after the book was written.The People's New Testament (1891)In the letters, some of the churches were praised and some admonished, one could say that establishes an archetype to follow; I agree.However, the letters played an important role in the development of the Bible. The Council of Nicea did not want to include Revelation in the Bible because they said it could not be understood. The elders of the churches argued that since the letters had come true, it was a message from Jesus and therefore must be included.So, perhaps we could agree that the letters were written for both reasons.

 

[Christina]

We could agree to both almost everything in scripture has a duality of one kind or another. The only reason I know this is one, and included here by the will of God, comes from what I know to be a deeper teaching that starts in Gen. and runs through the entire bible. Its one of those not obvious on the surface teachings that comes with that deeper understanding of Gods Word and his plan. God Bless

 

[Wakka]

The two witnesses aren't the twin towers. Because God said he'll resurrect them in a few days. And the world will be shocked.

 

[Christina]

I agree with that wakka the two wittness have to be men they wittness in the streets they are killed and lie dead in the streets three days and then God raises their bodys upRev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Rev 11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

[RoyalCubit]

(Wakka;19444)
The two witnesses aren't the twin towers. Because God said he'll resurrect them in a few days. And the world will be shocked.
The WTC housed mostly commodoties brokers, directly related to the US stock market. The attackers wanted to destroy the US economy; the stock market was closed for 3 1/2 days (sound familiar) but then recovered. The attackers saw this (on TV; in a cloud) and became afraid. To the attackers those two building represented the US and it's influence on global trade.Bury your head in the sand and it's hard to see anything.Best wishes, Roy

 

[Christina]

This I cant go with sorry Royal but you got this part wrong. you have to ignore to much scripture to make it fit. I have found when you find something that could fit but have to ignore other scriptures to make it fit its not right. Though I see how you could make some verse fit very well. To many others do not.How does a tower testify 1260 days?they stop the rain,( These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy)And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city,(this city is Jerusalem)Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. Rev 11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them

 

[Christina]

I want to add I am not completly opposed to the idea that The twin towers could possably be a physical type (a forerunner)to hearld to the world the seven years (1 week) has begun But they are not THE two wittnesses.

 

[RoyalCubit]

(kriss;19593)
This I cant go with sorry Royal but you got this part wrong. you have to ignore to much scripture to make it fit. I have found when you find something that could fit but have to ignore other scriptures to make it fit its not right. Though I see how you could make some verse fit very well. To many others do not.How does a tower testify 1260 days?they stop the rain,( These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy)And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city,(this city is Jerusalem)Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. Rev 11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them
This is all covered in the original post.1260 = 1/2 tribulation period. so there are two different 1260 day periods, but you have to know this in advance to know which half is being discussed.The 9/11 event is not the start of the first 1260 period, but it is the crucial event that brings it about. The testimony is just that, when congress asked, why did we go to war, those who "testified" said because of the attack on the wtc. That is the "testimony of the witnesses"The building were the center for world-wide commodities trading and were directly linked to the stock market, which was shut down for exactly 3 1/2 days, butThe stock market recovered, this was shown on TV (a cloud in network terms; exact term used) there enemies saw that they did not destroy commodities trading (oil) and became afraid.That ushers in the first half of the tribulation period. (I believe that started on 4/10/07, but if you don't believe this you certainly won't believe my reasons for picking that date either)Best wishes, Roy

 

[Christina]

One of the major problems I see with your wittness example that many make is unless this is and must be a wittness to the entire World not just the U.S. as I said Im willing to entertain your ideas but they need tweaking as Im sure mine do.

 

[RoyalCubit]

(kriss;19598)
One of the major problems I see with your wittness example that many make is unless this is and must be a wittness to the entire World not just the U.S. as I said Im willing to entertain your ideas but they need tweaking as Im sure mine do.
How many people in the world do you think are unaware of the attack on the wtc?