7,000 Year Theory

[rockytopva]

This is the timetable that I would put together... I have 7,360 years, which seems to me like a 360 year extension of grace.

I believe that the universe is about 15 billions years old and is the result and in response to Lucifer's rebellion.

If... E = mc2 ... Then m (matter) = E/c2 (energy)

Therefore, for the big boom to have occurred the matter had to have been there before the light and energy (E/c2), as the scripture says...

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. - Genesis 1:2

I would imagine, with these words... 'Let there be light (Genesis 1:3)', that the earth (the mass) turned into energy and light (E/c2) and expanded out from a point of origin, turning into what solar systems the Father willed it to. So the plasma (E/c2) is actually mass that has changed state.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. - Genesis 1:4,5

I believe that 15 billion years took place between Genesis 1:3 and Genesis 1:4. God divided the light and the darkness by putting the earth in orbit around the sun thus creating the first day of the Earth's creation. But... The universe was created 15 billion years (give or take a few billion years) before that.


***So... The 7000 year theory, in my mind, begins after Genesis 1:3***


4300 - 2644 BC - Adam to the great flood: About 1,650 years
2644 - 1730 BC - The Patriarchs - From Noah to Joseph: About 1,000 years
1730 -1450 BC - From Joseph to Moses: So Joesphs bones were in Egypt about 300 years
1450 - 33 AD - The time of the Laws of Moses was about 1500 years.
33 - 66 AD Ephesus – Apostolic – 33 years, not long! “All they which are in Asia be turned away from me…” – II Timothy 1:15
66 - 312 AD - Smyrna – Martyrs – Persecutions ten days… Foxes Book of Martyrs describes ten Roman persecutions. Ended with Constantine
312 - 800 AD - Pergamos – Orthodox – A pyrgos is a fortified structure – Needed for the dark ages.
800-1450 AD Thyatira – Catholic – The Spirit of Jezebel is to persecute, control, and to dominate. Began with Charlemange
1450-1700 AD Sardis – Protestant – A sardius is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid. Doctrine in the head, little in the heart.
1700-1940 AD Philadelphia – Methodist – To obtain sanctification was to do so with love. Anabaptists -Weslayan -Moravian
1940 - 2060 AD Laodicea – Charismatic – Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?
2060 - 3060 AD - The Millennial reign



The time of the horseman runs with the last couple of church ages...

1. White - Democracy - Came about along with the Philadelphian church
2. Red - Communism - Note the red flag, hammer and sickle.
3. Black - Islam - Note the desire to disrupt the global economy.
4. Pale - Anti-Christ - A brief 3.5 year reign.

Isaac Newton picked the 2060 AD end date and I will go along with him with the following disclaimer...

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.” – Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ’s coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However… Isaac Newton notes…

“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –Isaac Newton

As Adam was on earth about the time of his sons Enoch's departure... So I wonder if Christ will not abide on earth on up to the time of Laodicea's departure?

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

i GUESS WE EXPECT HIS RETURN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2027-2033 AD.

 

[rockytopva]

i GUESS WE HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2027-2033 AD.

Thanks for your input... Even the lowest of predictions predict a global population of about 8 billion at that time. I would imagine that planet earth will be one tough cookie to manage.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Thanks for your input... Even the lowest of predictions predict a global population of about 8 billion at that time. I would imagine that planet earth will be one tough cookie to manage.

Have you done the genealogy trace within the scriptures and the ages of those it applies to? Notwithstanding, the RCC playing with dates and times (AD), it provides for an informative approximation of the truth.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

6 days we work (the fields then comes the harvest), then one day of rest. This is how planting season is ordained of God. The earth's soil is to be planted for 6 years, then on the 7th year the soil is to rest and Replenish it's nutrients. So shall the earth be planted for 6,000 yrs. then comes the harvest of the crops(man who have been beborn in the image of Christ who will be angels or son's of God) then the 1,000(One day of Gods) is the 7,000th Day rest, before the earth is once again REPLENISHED with good seed as in the creation of the 6th day man.
Gen. 1:1 was the first earth when it was created perfect by God and who knows how long ago that was. Adam was the first man until he could find no mate among the BEAST'S of the field.

Gen.1:2 is after the perfect earth had become corrupted and it was as we are now, in darkness(evil) void(no love) chaos(no order) as in the days of NOAH. Our planets has been corrupted by our creating things that harm us all for the love of money by the giants of the industry who seek knowledge of good and evil.
There was a first Adam and a Last Adam who is Christ.... but who knows how many Adam's in between. 6 plant 7th rest... seedtime and harvest shall not cease world without end!

Gen 1:26-28
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
KJV
Gen 9:1
9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
KJV
2 Peter 2:4-5
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

Matt 13:38-43
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.{WAR, DISEASE, VIRUSES, FAMIME, PESTILANCE,PERVERSION,TORMENT OF HELL}
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
KJV
Gen 9:1
22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
KJV
Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
KJV
Eph 3:21
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
KJV

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

6 days we work (the fields then comes the harvest), then one day of rest. This is how planting season is ordained of God. The earth's soil is to be planted for 6 years, then on the 7th year the soil is to rest and Replenish it's nutrients. So shall the earth be planted for 6,000 yrs. then comes the harvest of the crops(man who have been beborn in the image of Christ who will be angels or son's of God) then the 1,000(One day of Gods) is the 7,000th Day rest, before the earth is once again REPLENISHED with good seed as in the creation of the 6th day man.

Gen. 1:1 was the first earth when it was created perfect by God and who knows how long ago that was. Adam was the first man until he could find no mate among the BEAST'S of the field.

Your opening paragraph holds promise and then you go askew. Are you now suggesting that GOD's timing of the earth is in doubt due to what, exactly?

 

[John S]

The Earth is MUCH older than 7360 years old.
Humans have been on the planet for about 2 million years.
The first KNOWN civilization was at Ur, around 4000 B.C. but according to Genesis, there was a large civilization at the time of Noah.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, John S.

The Earth is MUCH older than 7360 years old.
Humans have been on the planet for about 2 million years.
The first KNOWN civilization was at Ur, around 4000 B.C. but according to Genesis, there was a large civilization at the time of Noah.

You're letting the theory of Evolution influence your thinking. Evolution is simply a theory. The scientists who support such a theory would LIKE to escalate it to a "law," but it cannot be a scientific law because (1) it cannot be observed to occur, and (2) it is not duplicatable by experimentation. That's just the basic fact. It is accepted purely on the FAITH of its supporters.

There are twenty basic methods of dating that Wikipedia lists, and all of them use a form of radioactive decay for which the half-lives have been calculated. By measuring the quantities of original material to those of the final product, they determine how much time has expired. However, in ALL of these methods, there are some basic assumptions that are also accepted by faith: (1) They assume that the amount of daughter atoms was 0% or some low percentage to start; (2) they assume that 100% or some high percentage of the parent atoms were the original radioactive material; (3) they assume that the second derivative of the rate of conversion is always constant; and (4) they assume that there were no outside influences, such as "leaching" or changes in heating, upon the materials that might change the results.

Now, the twenty basic methods of radiometric dating are...
(1) uranium-235-lead-207 dating with a calculated half-life of about 700 million years,
(2) uranium-238-lead-206 dating with a calculated half-life of about 4.5 billion years,
(3) samarium-147-neodymium-143 dating with a calculated half-life of 1.06 x 10^11 years,
(4) potassium-40-argon-40 dating with a calculated half-life of 1.3 billion years,
(5) rubidium-87-strontium-87 dating with a calculated half-life of 50 billion years,
(6) uranium-234-thorium-230 dating with a calculated half-life of 80,000 years with its sister process of ...
(6a) uranium-235-protactinium-231 dating with a calculated half-life of 34,300 years,
(7) radiocarbon dating or carbon-14-nitrogen-14 compared to carbon-12 dating with a calculated half-life of 5,730 years,
(8) fission-track dating compares a forced fission of uranium-235 to the spontaneous fission of uranium-238 by calculation from the number of tracks in a piece of plastic film put upon a polished surface of the material, and the neutron flux with which the material was bombarded,
(9) crine-36 dating comparing its atmospheric presence of 1 week to its presence in water in the soil and ground water up to 50 years,
(10) luminescence dating comparing the glow of a material like a piece of pottery or a rock when heated to a certain temperature and comparing its glow to that of a "reset" similar piece of pottery having been put in a kiln over 400 degrees Celsius, or a similar piece of rock "reset" by melting in volcanic activity,
(11) argon-argon dating,
(12) iodine-xenon dating,
(13) aluminum-magnesium dating,
(14) lanthanum-barium dating,
(15) lead-lead dating,
(16) lutetium-hafnium dating,
(17) neon-neon dating,
(18) rhenium-osmium dating,
(19) uranium-lead-helium dating, and another form of
(20) uranium-uranium dating.

But again, all of these are susceptible to the same four weaknesses in assumption and certain things must be accepted PURELY BY FAITH!

I choose to exercise my faith in the opposite direction. Yes, it takes faith to believe that God exists and that He has always been present and that He created the earth and the sky in six 24-hour days, but that was HIS report, assuming (on my part) that God told Moshe (Moses) what to write, not only in Exodus through Deuteronomy but also in Genesis.

However, I also understand that the account of the Creation in Genesis 1 and 2 is NOT NECESSARILY about the whole Universe! The Hebrew word "erets" is best translated as "land," and can refer from the soil of the land to the total accumulation of all land on the surface of the earth. The Hebrew word "shaamayim" is best translated as "skies," and refers to all that we see from the surface of the earth when we look upward. Thus, this 6-day account is about what one can see below his feet and above his head.


_____

Shalom, a faithfulone4u.

6 days we work (the fields then comes the harvest), then one day of rest. This is how planting season is ordained of God. The earth's soil is to be planted for 6 years, then on the 7th year the soil is to rest and Replenish it's nutrients. So shall the earth be planted for 6,000 yrs. then comes the harvest of the crops(man who have been beborn in the image of Christ who will be angels or son's of God) then the 1,000(One day of Gods) is the 7,000th Day rest, before the earth is once again REPLENISHED with good seed as in the creation of the 6th day man.
Gen. 1:1 was the first earth when it was created perfect by God and who knows how long ago that was. Adam was the first man until he could find no mate among the BEAST'S of the field.

Gen.1:2 is after the perfect earth had become corrupted and it was as we are now, in darkness(evil) void(no love) chaos(no order) as in the days of NOAH. Our planets has been corrupted by our creating things that harm us all for the love of money by the giants of the industry who seek knowledge of good and evil.
There was a first Adam and a Last Adam who is Christ.... but who knows how many Adam's in between. 6 plant 7th rest... seedtime and harvest shall not cease world without end!

Gen 1:26-28
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
KJV
Gen 9:1
9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
KJV
2 Peter 2:4-5
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

Matt 13:38-43
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.{WAR, DISEASE, VIRUSES, FAMIME, PESTILANCE,PERVERSION,TORMENT OF HELL}
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
KJV
Gen 9:1
22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
KJV
Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
KJV
Eph 3:21
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
KJV

There is no gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2: The Hebrew text just simply uses the same technique as does all Hebrew literature: The author states a summary of what is to follow and then proceeds to list the details after the summary. The words "erets" and "shaamayim" are key to this understanding. The skies "shaamayim" were formed on the second day, and the dry land "erets" was not created until the third day:


Genesis 1:1-13
1 In the beginning God created the Heaven (Hebrew: shaamayim) and the earth (Hebrew: erets).
2 And the earth (Hebrew: erets) was without form, and void (Hebrew: tohuw v-bohuw = "shapeless and empty of life"); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon (Hebrew: mrachefet `al = "brooded upon") the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament (Hebrew: raqiya` = expanse) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters (Hebrew: mayim = "waters") which were under the firmament from the waters (Hebrew: mayim = "waters") which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven (Hebrew: shaamayim = "skies," literally "two-waters-guardian"). And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land (Hebrew: hayabaashaah = "the dry ground") appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth (Hebrew: erets); and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas (Hebrew: yamiym): and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
KJV

 

[John S]

To say that the Earth is ONLY 7000 years old is factually ridiculous.
I believe wholeheartedly in evolution, with God being the artist who painted the picture.
If you want to say that the history of human civilization is 6000 years old, then I can agree with that.

 

[biggandyy]

Carbon 14 dating can be reality checked with trapped air from ice cores from large ice sheets. That said, the earth still can not be billions or millions in age. I am comfortable with an estimate of 10 to 50 thousand years old for the universe and the earth as well. The C 14 dates provide that exact timeframe as well.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, John S.

To say that the Earth is ONLY 7000 years old is factually ridiculous.
I believe wholeheartedly in evolution, with God being the artist who painted the picture.
If you want to say that the history of human civilization is 6000 years old, then I can agree with that.

That's fine. I can accept your position ... to a degree. As I said, the Genesis account of Creation is about this earth's land and atmosphere or skies. Either God was not willing to share the rest or it was unimportant for us to know. In either case, it is NOT "factually ridiculous" to suggest that God could create the earth in only 7,000 years. Even if that, to you, is a greater miracle than creating it from the surmising of evolution, it is not impossible for an all-powerful God, and YHWH is just that - an ALL-POWERFUL GOD!

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Shalom, John S.


You're letting the theory of Evolution influence your thinking. Evolution is simply a theory. The scientists who support such a theory would LIKE to escalate it to a "law," but it cannot be a scientific law because (1) it cannot be observed to occur, and (2) it is not duplicatable by experimentation. That's just the basic fact. It is accepted purely on the FAITH of its supporters.

There are twenty basic methods of dating that Wikipedia lists, and all of them use a form of radioactive decay for which the half-lives have been calculated. By measuring the quantities of original material to those of the final product, they determine how much time has expired. However, in ALL of these methods, there are some basic assumptions that are also accepted by faith: (1) They assume that the amount of daughter atoms was 0% or some low percentage to start; (2) they assume that 100% or some high percentage of the parent atoms were the original radioactive material; (3) they assume that the second derivative of the rate of conversion is always constant; and (4) they assume that there were no outside influences, such as "leaching" or changes in heating, upon the materials that might change the results.

Now, the twenty basic methods of radiometric dating are...
(1) uranium-235-lead-207 dating with a calculated half-life of about 700 million years,
(2) uranium-238-lead-206 dating with a calculated half-life of about 4.5 billion years,
(3) samarium-147-neodymium-143 dating with a calculated half-life of 1.06 x 10^11 years,
(4) potassium-40-argon-40 dating with a calculated half-life of 1.3 billion years,
(5) rubidium-87-strontium-87 dating with a calculated half-life of 50 billion years,
(6) uranium-234-thorium-230 dating with a calculated half-life of 80,000 years with its sister process of ...
(6a) uranium-235-protactinium-231 dating with a calculated half-life of 34,300 years,
(7) radiocarbon dating or carbon-14-nitrogen-14 compared to carbon-12 dating with a calculated half-life of 5,730 years,
(8) fission-track dating compares a forced fission of uranium-235 to the spontaneous fission of uranium-238 by calculation from the number of tracks in a piece of plastic film put upon a polished surface of the material, and the neutron flux with which the material was bombarded,
(9) crine-36 dating comparing its atmospheric presence of 1 week to its presence in water in the soil and ground water up to 50 years,
(10) luminescence dating comparing the glow of a material like a piece of pottery or a rock when heated to a certain temperature and comparing its glow to that of a "reset" similar piece of pottery having been put in a kiln over 400 degrees Celsius, or a similar piece of rock "reset" by melting in volcanic activity,
(11) argon-argon dating,
(12) iodine-xenon dating,
(13) aluminum-magnesium dating,
(14) lanthanum-barium dating,
(15) lead-lead dating,
(16) lutetium-hafnium dating,
(17) neon-neon dating,
(18) rhenium-osmium dating,
(19) uranium-lead-helium dating, and another form of
(20) uranium-uranium dating.

But again, all of these are susceptible to the same four weaknesses in assumption and certain things must be accepted PURELY BY FAITH!

I choose to exercise my faith in the opposite direction. Yes, it takes faith to believe that God exists and that He has always been present and that He created the earth and the sky in six 24-hour days, but that was HIS report, assuming (on my part) that God told Moshe (Moses) what to write, not only in Exodus through Deuteronomy but also in Genesis.

However, I also understand that the account of the Creation in Genesis 1 and 2 is NOT NECESSARILY about the whole Universe! The Hebrew word "erets" is best translated as "land," and can refer from the soil of the land to the total accumulation of all land on the surface of the earth. The Hebrew word "shaamayim" is best translated as "skies," and refers to all that we see from the surface of the earth when we look upward. Thus, this 6-day account is about what one can see below his feet and above his head.


_____

Shalom, a faithfulone4u.


There is no gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2: The Hebrew text just simply uses the same technique as does all Hebrew literature: The author states a summary of what is to follow and then proceeds to list the details after the summary. The words "erets" and "shaamayim" are key to this understanding. The skies "shaamayim" were formed on the second day, and the dry land "erets" was not created until the third day:


Genesis 1:1-13
1 In the beginning God created the Heaven (Hebrew: shaamayim) and the earth (Hebrew: erets).
2 And the earth (Hebrew: erets) was without form, and void (Hebrew: tohuw v-bohuw = "shapeless and empty of life"); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon (Hebrew: mrachefet `al = "brooded upon") the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament (Hebrew: raqiya` = expanse) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters (Hebrew: mayim = "waters") which were under the firmament from the waters (Hebrew: mayim = "waters") which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven (Hebrew: shaamayim = "skies," literally "two-waters-guardian"). And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land (Hebrew: hayabaashaah = "the dry ground") appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth (Hebrew: erets); and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas (Hebrew: yamiym): and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
KJV

Greetings,

Oh yes there is did you not ever hear that the WORLD OF OLD was destroyed by WATER?. You are confusing this earth's age with that of Noah's day when the world before was under the flood. Adam was not created on the 6th day being after all the animals and plants. The First Adam was created BEFORE PLANTS, ANIMALS etc.... And it was only AFTER Adam could not find a suitable mate from THE BEASTLY NATURE that God created EVE taking her out of ADAM'S SIDE, as in his BETTER HALF, two became ONE FLESH. The female traits in Adam who was created in God's image having both male and female attributes just as God does, were given to Eve and the male were left in Adam.

Remember this that you quoted?
And the earth (Hebrew: erets) was without form, and void (Hebrew: tohuw v-bohuw = "shapeless and empty of life"); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon (Hebrew: mrachefet `al = "brooded upon") the face of the waters

Waters as in FLOOD!
And we must read carefully to see that in Gen 2, we are discussing the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. This in Gen 2 is not the story of creation of the new earth after Noah's flood where the water's came up over the earth being corrupted mankind destroyed by water. But of OUR CREATION on the 2nd day or earth's age and we are awaiting now a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH which will be THE WEDDING ON THE 3RD DAY OR EARTH'S AGE.
Gen 2:4-8
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put THE MAN {NOT MAN AND WOMAN}whom he had formed.
KJV

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

To say that the Earth is ONLY 7000 years old is factually ridiculous.
I believe wholeheartedly in evolution, with God being the artist who painted the picture.
If you want to say that the history of human civilization is 6000 years old, then I can agree with that.

Hi John S.

I dont want to disrupt Rocky's thread .... nor am I here to bash you or anything .... but I would urge you to be cautious about accepting or defending evolution theory.

I re-posted the video of an intelligent investigation done by Dr. David Belinski

I hope you find it helpful and educational

Best wishes
Arnie

thread here .... http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/18582-smart-jew-questions-evolution/

 

[Eric E Stahl]

[SIZE=14pt]Consider[/SIZE]
Hosea5:14-15, 6:1-2
14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.


1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

 

[John S]

Retrobyter - I didn't say that God COULDN'T have created the universe in 7000 years. I said that He didn't.

Arnie - I have absolutely NO problem with an evolution of billions of years when God was the one who orchestrated it.
Why do so many Christians only believe that there are 2 theories - the "Christian" 6-day theory and the atheistic theory of evolution? The universe was NOT created in 6 literal days. Science backs that up. There is NOTHING wrong with believing that God caused the Big Bang and everything that happened after that. In fact that makes ALOT more sense.

As I stated in one of my previous threads, the 7th day has not arrived yet. It will come when Jesus Christ returns and chains up Satan.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

As I stated in one of my previous threads, the 7th day has not arrived yet. It will come when Jesus Christ returns and chains up Satan.

Well God rested on the 7th day in Genesis .... so you better send word to him he made a mistake.

now if you are a beleiver of the 7000 years doctrine for everything to be fulfilled ... that is a completely different subject which has absolutely nothing to do with the "billions of years" doctrine

 

[michaelvpardo]

Retrobyter - I didn't say that God COULDN'T have created the universe in 7000 years. I said that He didn't.

Arnie - I have absolutely NO problem with an evolution of billions of years when God was the one who orchestrated it.
Why do so many Christians only believe that there are 2 theories - the "Christian" 6-day theory and the atheistic theory of evolution? The universe was NOT created in 6 literal days. Science backs that up. There is NOTHING wrong with believing that God caused the Big Bang and everything that happened after that. In fact that makes ALOT more sense.

As I stated in one of my previous threads, the 7th day has not arrived yet. It will come when Jesus Christ returns and chains up Satan.

John S, I'm impressed with your assertions. It's good to be convinced in what you believe.
Were you there 7000 years ago or 4 billion if you prefer to witness those things which you hold true?
Can you give me the name of a witness to the grand event of the Universe's origin?
Can you tell me how life evolved from simple organic compounds when the process of evolution requires organisms to be alive in order to evolve?
Can you give me an example of a successful and reproducible experimental process to create even the simplest form of life, that doesn't require introducing DNA, RNA, or a knowledge of codon sequencing for protein synthesis not derived from the study of living organisms (in other words, from scratch?)
Do "Scientists" design experiments to prove or disprove a hypothesis and are they driven to advance knowledge or to appear successful in their chosen field of endeavor?
Are mental constructs and mathematical models valid proof of reality?
The "scientific community" is called a community because it is one, and as such follows the rules that are defined by the community. Anomalous results are not welcomed by that community, any more than are abberations within any given community: they upset the social order, the perception of the self, and the confidence of one's place in the grand scheme of things (or lack there of.)
I found my introductory Archeaology course to be one of the most interesting classes in my university experience, and while I considered archeological dating methods interesting, I also found them imaginitive and not necessarily valid. The same was true of my classes in comparative anatomy, embryology, etc. The "body" of evolutionary "science" and cosmology is a carefully built model created to explain our existance without the necessity of a creator, yet is supported by almost no reproducible experimentation. I don't believe that this has always been the case, but certainly was when I received my education more than 30 years ago. At that time University educators defined "good science" as that which excludes the possibility of a God and Creator. With that as a goal, it isn't surprising that science would give us an ancient earth and an ancient and finite universe. The only God there is to disprove is the God of scripture, so develop a systematic attack on the validity of scripture, one which would appear to disprove the existance of God, and you can feel comfortable with yourself to the extent that you can put your faith in your systematic construct. I can't prove what I believe in, experimentally either, but I accept that my experience confirms my faith and my faith is a reasonable construct built on scripture, witnessed, testified to, and confirmed in the resurrection of the Lord, Jesus, called the Christ. Amen

 

[Trumpeter]

Greetings all,

Here is what the 7000 year plan is all about.d.



THE AGES OF THE 7,000-YEAR PLAN OF God

When the God of Israel created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden (Gan Eden), He ordained that from the creation of Adam and Eve to the end of the Messianic Age (Athid Lavo) would be 7,000 years of time. Before the creation of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden (Gan Eden) was eternity past. After the Messianic Age is eternity future. Future eternity (Olam Haba) will be a return to the paradise of eternity past (represented by the Garden of Eden before the sin of Adam). Time is going forward to the past. That which was (Garden of Eden before the sin of Adam) is that which shall be (eternity future/Olam Habah).In Ecclesiastes (Kohelet) 1:9 it is written:

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
Traditional Judaism understands that the first 6,000 years is known as the present age/world (Olam Hazeh). These first 6,000 years are divided into three 2,000-year periods of time or ages. The first 2,000 years from the creation of Adam to the time of Abraham (Avraham) is known as the period/age of desolation (Tohu).

The next two thousand years from the time of Abraham to the expected arrival of the Jewish Messiah (Mashiach) is known as the period/age of Torah. The final 2,000 years of time within the 6,000 years of the present/age world (Olam Hazeh) is known as the days of the Messiah (Yemot Mashiach).
The last 1,000 years is known as the Messianic era or the future age/coming (Athid Lavo). The 7,000-year redemptive plan of the God of Israel can be seen in the following chart.

yr. 1 2,000 4,000 6,000 7,000
(eternity past)| | | | |(eternity future)
Olam Haba--- !------------!------------!--------------!-------------! ---Olam Habah
| | | | |
Days of: Tohu Torah Messiah Athid Lavo
(------------- Olam Hazeh ----------------)


http://www.shofarministries.net/7000yr1of3.html
The chart didn't print right, to check it out go to link.

 

[daq]

Carbon 14 dating can be reality checked with trapped air from ice cores from large ice sheets. That said, the earth still can not be billions or millions in age. I am comfortable with an estimate of 10 to 50 thousand years old for the universe and the earth as well. The C 14 dates provide that exact timeframe as well.

Probably close enough with Göbekli Tepe in modern Turkey, near "Ur"-fa, being 12,000, ("a thousand years is as one day"). :)

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, BiggAndyy.

Carbon 14 dating can be reality checked with trapped air from ice cores from large ice sheets. That said, the earth still can not be billions or millions in age. I am comfortable with an estimate of 10 to 50 thousand years old for the universe and the earth as well. The C 14 dates provide that exact timeframe as well.

Actually, that not true. C-14 dating only works well up to 5 times it's half-life. Beyond that, there's too much error introduced into the calculations to be of much use. Five times 5,730 years = 28,650 years max, and that's assuming clean, unadulterated samples! (VERY hard to find.)