2 Cor5:19

[Behold]

True. Or, they may feel guilty and convicted later. It happens. Then what?

I'm trying to get people thinking about the "And then what?"

If the person is not convicted, inside their own conscience, when they offend the Holy Spirit, by some willful carnal deed, then i'd have my doubts that they are actually born again.. as a unbeliever does not feel guilty, and the Born Again believer, will feel remorse, because the Holy Spirit in them, is offended.

The flip side is.......the Born again person, is always kept in perfect peace with God, because of Jesus's Sacrifice.

So, this "inner remorse" over some willful carnal deed, is not the breaking of the eternal relationship between the Son/Daughter of God and God.. its simply the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

There is a false theology, that has ruined many Christian's walk of Faith, because they are taught to believe that if they are bad, then they lose their salvation, or they have broken their relationship with God, so then need to hurry and confess that sin, to then have the relationship restored.... or to be "re-born again"...again.
So, that is nonsense, but the majority of Christians have been taught this lie, and so, here is their Christianity..

Its Hebrews 6:1

"sin, confess......repeat".

And that is not Real Christianity.

 

[Lambano]

"sin, confess......repeat".

And that is not Real Christianity.

So, you're saying born-again believers should not confess their sins to God?

 

[Behold]

So, you're saying born-again believers should not confess their sins to God?

Im saying that where there is no law there is no Transgression (sin) found as only the Law can define a sin, as a sin.

So, take the law away, and the person is here.....>>"the born again are "NOT UNDER THE LAW.. .. but under Grace"..

Now, when the believer is upset because they just watched Game of Thrones, again, and they watched another graphic RAPE or scene of INCEST< and they enjoyed it, and now they feel "dirty inside"..

Then they should talk to God.........but they are not to BELIEVE that they have to CONFESS THAT to then become Born again Again.
So, if the person is confessing to try to "get back my salvation" or "so that i can be forgiven again".. then they dont understand The Cross of Christ, or their Salvation.

 

[Webers_Home]

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● John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me

Now, those sheep weren't exactly a freebee, viz: the sheep didn't come
cheap. Jesus bought and paid for them himself at enormous personal
expense.

● 1Pet 1:18-19 . . For you know that it was not with perishable things such
as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed
down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a
lamb without blemish or defect.

There are people out and about who sincerely believe the sheep's free will
trumps the good shepherd's free will, and that although they were bought
and paid for at the price of his own blood, they believe themselves in a
position to negotiate the terms of their association with him. They actually
believe their rightful owner should stand aside while they disown him sans
fair and equitable compensation, and walk out the door to start a new life
elsewhere, possibly with some other rancher, maybe even one of his
competitors.

There's some apropos lines in a movie called The Hunt For Red October that
go like this:

Dr. Ryan: We definitely grab the boat, sir.

National Security Advisor: Hey, wait a minute. We're not talking about some
stray pilot with a MIG. We're talking about several billion dollars' worth of
Soviet state property. They're gonna to want it back.

Duh!

● 1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.

Ergo: Animal husbandry isn't democratic, no, it is quite despotic. Livestock
have no say in a rancher's management practices.
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[Lambano]

Then they should talk to God.........but they are not to BELIEVE that they have to CONFESS THAT to then become Born again Again.

The logic on that looks like this: A born-again does not and indeed cannot sin. (1 John 3:9). Therefore, if you sin, you are not born-again. Therefore, you need to become born again. Or else!

 

[Behold]

The logic on that looks like this: A born-again does not and indeed cannot sin. (1 John 3:9). Therefore, if you sin, you are not born-again. Therefore, you need to become born again. Or else!

Here is how Paul teaches this "sin" issue, regarding a Christian.

First, if you read all of Paul's Epistles, you'll discover that Paul never confessed a sin, in any of them.
Then, if you read the Corinthians account of the young man who was fornicating with his Dad's new wife.......you'll read what Paul instructed the Corinthian Church to do about it.....and Paul never told them to have the boy confess his sin to them, nor did Paul tell the boy to confess his sin to God.

Why not?
Because Paul teaches that the born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"...

What is that simplified?
It means that the born again exit within God's Grace, and there is no law found there.......

A.) "where there is NO LAW, there is no Sin, no Transgression".

So, why does that confuse the Born Again Christian, completely, ?

Its because All Christians mess up., and then they want to make it right with God., and that is the FAIL.
Why?
Because the Cross of Christ is this........."Jesus is the ONE TIME.....ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"..

See that word ETERNAL? That is how The Cross deals with ALL you sin...............= Eternally.
Eternally includes the FUTURE,.. and not just the past.

So, the born again Christian is "NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under GRACE".. so there goes the Law. = It can't accuse you or define your deeds, anymore.. as sin.
And then....."Jesus is the Eternal Sacrifice for your sin".... already.

So, who is confessing sin? Well, if its a Christian, then they dont understand God's Salvation, and Paul says they are a : Hebrews 6:1

They are a baby Christian.... unlearned......... knowing almost nothing about what Jesus has done for them, on The Cross.

 

[Webers_Home]

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● 1John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

FAQ: Is that verse talking about born-again Christians?

REPLY: I really don't think so because the epistle of 1John starts by saying:

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is
not in us." (1:8-10)

I think it safe to assume that the pronouns we, ourselves, and us include the
writer who, in all likelihood, was a born-again Christian himself.

So then, it appears to me that 1John 3:9 is talking about God's paternal
offspring instead of ordinary folks who've undergone the Spirit birth spoken
of by John 3:3-7.

You see, they aren't God's paternal offspring, instead, they are His
handiwork created in Christ Jesus and brought into God's family circle by
means of adoption.

NOTE: Jesus is described as God's "only" begotten son, meaning of course
that he is, thus far, God's one and only paternal descendant (John 1:14,
John 3:16, John 3:18, 1John 4:9)

Well, if Jesus is really and truly a chip off the olde block, then of course
sinless perfection would be just as normal to him as it is to God.
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[Lambano]

Then, if you read the Corinthians account of the young man who was fornicating with his Dad's new wife.....

Definitely not a sin, because we are not under Torah. No reason for him to be un-reconciled to God.

Let's at least be logically consistent. Doesn't anybody think these things through?

 

[Behold]

Definitely not a sin, because we are not under Torah. No reason for him to be un-reconciled to God.

Let's at least be logically consistent. Doesn't anybody think these things through?

When Paul wrote 13 NT Epistles, He was not "under the Torah".

When the fornicating boy was fornicating, He was a member of Paul's "Corinthian Church"..so, none of them were under the Torah.

Do you anything that you can post that has anything to do with Christianity, as found in the NT?

If so, try posting some of that info @Lambano

 

[Lambano]

When the fornicating boy was fornicating, He was a member of Paul's "Corinthian Church"..so, none of them were under the Torah.

Yep. Fornication is no longer a sin, because we are not under The Law.

 

[HIM]

Yeah, I got poor impulse control too.

Have faith my friend. Jesus said in John 8, He that commits sin is a slave to it. But if He sets you free from it, free you are indeed. Paul speaks of this slavery and the freedom Jesus offers in Romans 7 and 8. In respect to the bondage He says the evil that he wouldn't he does. And if he does what he doesn't want to, it isn't him, but the sin in him, even though he delights over the Law of God that is in his mind. He can't help himself.

He calls this dilemma a law in 7:21 and says it is the law of sin, and it has him in captivity in verse 23.

Then he pleads, oh wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from this body of death! In respect to that he then says, there is now no condemnation to us who are in Christ Jesus.

Why?

For the Spirit of the Life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the Law of sin that the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us. Who walk after this Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and not after the flesh. For if we walk after the flesh we shall die. But if we through walking through the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus mortify the deeds of the flesh we shall live.

Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Webers_Home]

Yep. Fornication is no longer a sin, because we are not under The Law.

Webster's defines fornication as consensual sexual intercourse between two
persons not married to each other.

That is very definitely sin for 2.52 billion card-carrying Christians.

● Heb 13:4 . . Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept
pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

● 1Cor 6:18 . . Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are
outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

Fornication is particularly deplorable for the element of Christianity unified with
Christ.

● 1Cor 6:15 . .Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I
then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot?
God forbid!
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