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[Spiritual Israelite]

The words "generation" and "age" are interchangeable. I am referring to the length of a "Generation/age" not to a descendant generation which Douggg is trying to drive home.

Yes, but when Jesus spoke about an age in the sense that you're talking about, the Greek word "aion" was used. In the case of Matthew 24:34 it's the Greek word "genea" that was used. As for Douggg, a descendant generation is never defined as the human life span. Would you agree? You can look up the definition of the Greek word genea and you will not find "the human life span" as one of its definitions.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Gog/Magog event seems to be getting closer.

Time out. Gog and Magog are not what you think they are, Douggg.

The only thing being dismissed here is you dismissing the harmony, synchronicity, and agreement that Revelation chapter 20 is replete with symbology, not physical things. Symbology such as a key, a bottomless pit that can be locked by it, a dragon, a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns, thrones where the beheaded sit, Gog and Magog, people numbering as many as the sand of the sea, and of course, 1,000 years. They are ALL SYMBOLIC! Not literal or physical. Your favorite Eschatology teachers talk of "consistent literalism" when their doctrines are neither consistent nor literal.

Revelation 9:7

• "And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men."

Not one of your dispensational authors teaches that this is literal. ...now why is that Douggg? Is that not straying from consistent literalism? How about in Revelation, the moon turning to blood, the woman floating in heaven with 12 stars on her head, or the harlot riding on a beast with 10 horns? No, you see, Revelation is only literal when your teachers claim it is literal, depending on the world news. In reality, the 10 horns being 10 kings that will arise is no more literal than the 1000 years. I mean, come on, if we're being consistently literal you'd say those were 10 literal horns on the heads of 10 literal kings. But of course, you wont.

Indeed, these repeated references to a thousand years in Revelation 20 is symbolic and do represent the whole New Testament period when the church is reigning on earth spreading the gospel to the whole earth until the time when Satan is loosed as judgment upon the Great city that has become a harlot. So you need to find out who Gog and Magog is before making some foolish interpretation based don the world news you are watching. It is you who overlook the consistent, emphatic nature of this prophecy in Revelation chapter 20. i.e., the millennial reign of Christ is the church age, and the end of the church age is when He that restrained that Satan is taken out of the way/midst. Then shall the man of sin be revealed and lead his army of Gog and Magog into the unfaithful Church. But not to everyone. Selah.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Gog/Magog event seems to be getting closer.

Yeah, we all heard YouTubers screaming about current war in the Middle East as a possible of Gog and Magog. They've been screaming that since the early years of TV hucksters like Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, and Pat Robertson, and the fables of the late, Great Planet Earth books. It's all nonsense that we're not likely to convince many deceived thereby is not true. That's how these false gospels that are based on carnality work. They are cultish, deceiving, seducing, and they make those snared in them delusionary.

Revelation 19:19-20

• "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
• And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Those who are deceived don't know that they are deceived because they do not stand on the Word of God alone as their ultimate authority. Therefore they are deceived by the words of men regarding famines, kingdoms, the Middle East, and the alleged upcoming Gog and Magog War. Because it takes the Spirit to believe what the Spirit says unto the churches.

They claimed that they are hearing the war and rumors of war including a report that Jordan called for a weapons embargo against Israel, adding to the concern. Well it is called fulfilled prophesy. For example, the U.S. had an embargo against Cuba for years, and it has sent weapons to Israel for war for years, and it has called for Putin to be charged with war crimes, and sanctions against Russia for Invading Ukraine, and strikes on Iran for terrorist acts, and ...well, you get the idea. The existence of physical wars and reports of wars are not the prophecy that God has in mind. In fact, they are clearly the normal activity of the nations of the world. And the nation of Israel is no different, they are just another nation doing what nations do. The peace, the wars, the famines that God has in view are infinitely more important than man doing what man always does. When God speaks of people saying "Peace, Peace, where there is no peace", He's not talking about false peace agreements between nations or a world peace, He's talking about professing Christians declaring people saved (having peace with God) where they are not saved and they have no peace with God. And wars are when those of the church turn against God and the church is in warfare once again and becomes apostate. And the famines in the land are churches that don't have the bread of life that would sustain God's people. Premillennarians miss the mark because they miss the point, grieving the Spirit, being unwilling to allow it the authority to speak.

Amos 8:11

• "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:"

Straining at a gnat, they swallow a Camel. Missing the mark (the definition of sin) means they miss the point.

We all should grasp the Biblical reality that wars are like the poor. What I mean by that is that we will always have them with us. So as long as there is flesh and blood human beings on this earth, there will be earthly wars, the rich, the poor, reports of peace, and the desperately wicked. So they cannot be a sign of anything but "normality" on this earth.

So when Christians hear in scripture of wars and rumors of war, they should inherently know that it is not wars as the world understands it because that's normal. It's the abnormal warfare, a spiritual one, because it's in the church and it is caused by a creeping cancer called apostasy. A falling away to desolation that will only come to full fruition worldwide in the last days.

2nd Peter 3:3

• "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,"

2nd Thessalonians 2:3

• "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

The last day's "wars and rumors of wars" are no mystery to us, as God has told us before. The love of God will grow cold, iniquity will abound, and if we don't have on the whole armor of God, we will be defeated by the Dragon's army (Gog and Magog) who comes against the House of God, for there shall be great tribulation. The prophecy of the Israel of God being attacked is of Christ and His spiritual representation, the church. NOT national Israel! And yet in all this, there shall be peace in Israel, even though many do not understand that the only peace in Israel is the peace in "the Israel of God."

So when we hear of wars and rumors of wars, chalk it up to reports and talk about the warfare in the churches that are the outward representation of the Israel of God.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg. In verse 32, it speaks of summer and summer cannot be dissected from the season which is the Summer season. In Daniel 7:12 it speaks of a season and a time, two very distinct time periods. The season lasts for 1,000 years as we are told in Rev 20:1-3 that Satan, and the heavenly host beasts, were all imprisoned for 1,000 solar years while the "time" is only 24 years in duration based on my understanding.

Jay, I don't have a problem with Daniel 7:12's season and a time being a 1000 years (the millennium) plus the short period that Satan will deceive the nations once again in Revelation 20:7-9.

But that is not the simile that Jesus spoke of Matthew 24:32. Which is for Matthew 24:33 regarding Jesus's Second Coming being at the door - i.e. being close.

Verse Matt 24:33, speaks of all the events that will take place from the time of Armageddon until the time of the GWTR judgement, which is, in my understanding, a period of some 1,024 solar years.

Matthew 24:33 is referring to Jesus's Second Coming, and the period right before hand when the abomination of desolation will be set up in Matthew 24:15.

The GWT judgment is not being referred to in Matthew 24:33. The GWT judgment will be a thousand years (plus a little more) after Jesus's Second Coming. And the GWT judgment is not found in the text of Matthew 24:15-31.

Therefore Matt 24:34 is speaking about a period of time which is also 1,024 years in duration when all that Christ spoke about will be fulfilled. So, when Christ was referring to "this generation", he was not referencing a "descendant generation" as you are implying in your posts.

The parable of the fig tree generation not passing away in in Matthew 24:34 means exactly what I wrote as referring to the life expectancy being 70 years for a generation based on Psalms 90:10, and what holds true in today's world.

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes, but when Jesus spoke about an age in the sense that you're talking about, the Greek word "aion" was used. In the case of Matthew 24:34 it's the Greek word "genea" that was used. As for Douggg, a descendant generation is never defined as the human life span. Would you agree? You can look up the definition of the Greek word genea and you will not find "the human life span" as one of its definitions.

This is the meaning of the Greek Root word G:1074



As for "aion" this is the meaning I have from the Interlinear I use: -




This is what I wrote in response to Douggg: -

Verse Matt 24:33, speaks of all the events that will take place from the time of Armageddon until the time of the GWTR judgement, which is, in my understanding, a period of some 1,024 solar years.

Therefore Matt 24:34 is speaking about a period of time which is also 1,024 years in duration when all that Christ spoke about will be fulfilled. So, when Christ was referring to "this generation", he was not referencing a "descendant generation" as you are implying in your posts.

Douggg tried to rebut this statement by claiming this: -

Matthew 24:33 is referring to Jesus's Second Coming, and the period right before hand when the abomination of desolation will be set up in Matthew 24:15.

The GWT judgment is not being referred to in Matthew 24:33. The GWT judgment will be a thousand years (plus a little more) after Jesus's Second Coming. And the GWT judgment is not found in the text of Matthew 24:15-31.

Now, unless the referenced passages are not contained within Douggg's cherry picked verses, in Douggg's mind, they cannot be referenced or used to justify our respective positions.

As for Aion being found embedded within a Greek word in Matt 24, it is found in verse 3.

This is how this verse is translated: -

Matt 24:3: - The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age​

3Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the ages/world?”​

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So, my understanding is that Christ was answering this question, "When will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the ages/world?"

In the rest of Matt 24, Jesus was referencing a period of time that spanned three ages/just over 3,000 years, from around 29 AD up to the end of around 3,068 AD

Now since the end of this present age will be around the end of the year 2044 AD, around the time of the judgement of the kings of the earth at Armageddon and the heavenly Hosts in Heaven, and they will all be imprisoned for 1,000 years in the Bottomless Pit and after the Bottomless pit is unlocked after the completion of the 1,000 years of their imprisonment the events will accelerate and "Therefore, when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place”, know that the end is nigh and that there will be great tribulation. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

It is at this time that those who are still alive at that time will see the Second Coming of Christ.

During this time span of the last age, there will be around 40 descendant generations born before the Son of Man comes. There will be no one descendant generation, except the 40th descendant generation, that will see Christ's second coming. The end of this present age cannot be measured from 1967 by the addition of the normalised length of a person's life span as the Fig tree budded in 1948, in one day.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

So, my understanding is that Christ was answering this question, "When will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the ages/world?"

In the rest of Matt 24, Jesus was referencing a period of time that spanned three ages/just over 3,000 years, from around 29 AD up to the end of around 3,068 AD

No, the end of the world (Matthew 24:3, kjv), even if you choose to go by Aion as age, is referring to the age of man ruling himself. That age ends when Jesus, the Lord God of Israel (Ezekiel 39:22), returns and begins to rule over the nations with a rod of iron.

The parable of the fig tree generation applies to the specific generation that will see Jesus's Return, and the period right before hand, beginning when the abomination of desolation is setup.

 

[Douggg]

Back to the topic of the thread.

 

[Jay Ross]

No, the end of the world (Matthew 24:3, kjv), even if you choose to go by Aion as age, is referring to the age of man ruling himself. That age ends when Jesus, the Lord God of Israel (Ezekiel 39:22), returns and begins to rule over the nations with a rod of iron.

The parable of the fig tree generation applies to the specific generation that will see Jesus's Return, and the period right before hand, beginning when the abomination of desolation is setup.

Douggg, around what year is the abomination of desolation set up? Does this occur during the little while period between when Satan is released from the Bottomless pit and the return of Christ?

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, around what year is the abomination of desolation set up? Does this occur during the little while period between when Satan is released from the Bottomless pit and the return of Christ?

Jay,
regarding your first question...
I don't know exactly what calendar year. But once the 7 years begin right after Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 39, then 1185 days from the start of the 7 years, the abomination of desolation will be setup. Which will be 1335 days before the day that Jesus returns.

regarding your second question....
no, the abomination of desolation setup will not be part of the little period of Revelation 20:7-9

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btw, I don't disagree with you regarding Daniel 7:12's season and a time being a 1000 years (the millennium) plus the short period that Satan will deceive the nations once again in Revelation 20:7-9.

I think you have the short period as being 24 years. I don't have any specific length of time for the short period. But the overall interpretation of Daniel 7:12's season and a time, being the millennium and the short period after Satan's release, I agree with. Good call on that part.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay,
regarding your first question...
I don't know exactly what calendar year. But once the 7 years begin right after Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 39, then 1185 days from the start of the 7 years, the abomination of desolation will be setup. Which will be 1335 days before the day that Jesus returns.

regarding your second question....
no, the abomination of desolation setup will not be part of the little period of Revelation 20:7-9

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btw, I don't disagree with you regarding Daniel 7:12's season and a time being a 1000 years (the millennium) plus the short period that Satan will deceive the nations once again in Revelation 20:7-9.

I think you have the short period as being 24 years. I don't have any specific length of time for the short period. But the overall interpretation of Daniel 7:12's season and a time, being the millennium and the short period after Satan's release, I agree with. Good call on that part.

Douggg, in your post you have disagreed with yourself. LOL