1 JOHN WAS WRITTEN TO ISRAEL
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If by NT you mean the four gospels I am saying they contained their gospel of the kingdom, given primarily to Israel to believe
The four gospels gave the church at that time their commandments
I can learn from them and can apply trust in Christ for salvation by believing his redemption as revealed by Paul
Ok I could apply to myself that but how are we made children of God?
For Israel they had to keep the commandments
[1Jo 5:2 KJV] 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
We are by faith
[Gal 3:26 KJV] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Ronald Nolette
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[1Jo 1:9 KJV] 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Israel had to confess sin for corporate forgiveness
[Col 1:14 KJV] 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
We have forgiveness
I’m not entirely sure what you mean, yet it’s widely acknowledged that following Cornelius, the barriers separating Jewish and Gentile Christians ceased to exist.
Historically, it’s evident that the count of Jews converting to Christianity was on the decline; at the same time, the message of Christianity was being shared across various lands, reaching all non-Jewish peoples.
Have you ever read the biblical book of Acts of the Apostles?
I was saying the nation of Israel is not just unbelieving Israel
[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Israel could be a holy believing nation
We learned that from Paul
[Eph 2:14 KJV] 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];
In Acts 10 God included believing Gentiles into the little flock of believing Jews
[Act 10:45 KJV] 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Brakelite
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Yes God forbid that such a text should apply to the church. Keep His commandments? Do things that are pleasing to God?? Who could possibly be so stupid for thinking that Christians ought to keep God's commandments right?
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Lambano
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Reading comprehension check. The verse says, "We LOVE the children of God when we love God and keep his commandments." It's about loving each other and loving God. It doesn't say anything about HOW we become children of God. But if you want to know John's take on "how", see John 1:12. "To all who received Him, He gave the right to become children of God". Receiving Him. As one would welcome a person into his home. Or his life.
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Lambano
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There are several misunderstandings here.
1. Our Jewish brothers and sisters in Christ are saved the same way we are, as James says in Acts15:11: "No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
2. Justification has always been through faith. It's a Jewish concept derived from the OT. As Paul quotes Genesis 15:6, "Abraham believed the Lord and it was accounted to him as righteousness." And Habakkuk 2:4, "the righteous shall live by faith".
3. The biggest misunderstanding is the Jewish relationship with Torah. Our Jewish cousins, they know their identity is as God's people. Keeping the commandments of Torah is an EXPRESSION of their faith. Talk to some real Jewish people. Ask a rabbi. Read a book. Or go to some Jewish websites like Chabad. Understand how they see themselves.
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Lambano
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We have to know what is written to us ....at the extreme it can be dangerous
[Mar 16:18 KJV] 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
We have to know where our commands are....they are in Paul's epistles
[1Co 7:19 KJV] 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
[1Co 14:37 KJV] 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
You are right I should have included the surrounding verses
[1Jo 5:1-3 KJV] 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
To be born of God would make a Jew a child of God
To "love him that begat" which is God, is to keep his commandments
To be saved Jews only had to "believeth that Jesus is the Christ"
[Act 15:10-11 KJV] 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Bible terms dont just have one application
Just because Peter says Jews are saved through grace doesnt mean they were saved by believing Paul's gospel of grace. Grace is found throughout the Bible....look at v10 they were unable to keep the law and needed grace for God to do it for them, which he will in the new covenant;
[Eze 36:27 KJV] 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
Jews are saved just we are now by believing Paul's gospel
Right but they had to keep the commandments to be blameless to enter the promised kingdom on earth
[Mat 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Of course the kingdom has been postponed today
Not the case...there is neither Jew or Gentile as revealed by Paul
Those thinking they are Israel are putting the wall up by following the commandments given Israel
