And then this practice and worse-- this mentality is what is taken out to the churches..... You get seminary trained 'preachers' who perpetuate the myths, misunderstandings and mistakes they were taught, which they then teach others as if their beliefs are unchallengeable facts. This is why scripture includes warnings for teachers--- for the damage they do.
“I lost my faith at Bible college”
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And then this practice and worse-- this mentality is what is taken out to the churches..... You get seminary trained 'preachers' who perpetuate the myths, misunderstandings and mistakes they were taught, which they then teach others as if their beliefs are unchallengeable facts. This is why scripture includes warnings for teachers--- for the damage they do.
You might recall my “What’s the matter? Don’t you trust the man?” church story.
Anyway, Paul commended those who searched the scriptures to see whether or not what he preached was true.
I do that with any preacher I listen to and, when I was a student, I did it with all of my professors.
As part of the curriculum, I had to take two preaching classes. I did what I was required to do in order to pass the classes, but after I graduated ...
I used a form of preaching which my professors disliked, discouraged and wouldn’t allow in the classroom. It’s called “dialogue preaching” - the preacher does what preachers do, but the audience is allowed / encouraged to interrupt at any point in the sermon to ask questions and make brief comments. This form of preaching requires good management skills. There were times when the planned sermon wasn’t completed and / or had to be continued another time. The sermon veered, as needed, to meet the needs and interest of the audience.
I used a form of preaching which my professors disliked, discouraged and wouldn’t allow in the classroom. It’s called “dialogue preaching” - the preacher does what preachers do, but the audience is allowed / encouraged to interrupt at any point in the sermon to ask questions and make brief comments. This form of preaching requires good management skills. There were times when the planned sermon wasn’t completed and / or had to be continued another time. The sermon veered, as needed, to meet the needs and interest of the audience.
Wick Stick
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"Poor is the pupil who does not surpass his master."
-Leonardo da Vinci
Apparently Da Vinci was unfamiliar with the American education system.
-Leonardo da Vinci
Apparently Da Vinci was unfamiliar with the American education system.
As I was not the type of Preacher that was acceptable to my last church (I tend to see the "hellfire and damnation kind of guy), I instead led a scripture study group. It worded just the same as your "dialogue preaching." I love my time with the class.
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My encounters with the Holy Spirit led me to the love of heavenly things.
* I read my Bible through 7 times
* Read the whole John Bunyan 3 volume set and loved it
* Would regularly attend revivals and church events
And... I always hated that God did not call me to preach... Until Covid times came around.
* The sense of entitlement among people these days are high
* People set a standard of living very difficult to attain
* People would actually belittle others for not rising to their expectations of entitlement
* Covid - People took their fellowship online - Very few churches have but one service a week
* Revivals - It's been decades since I have attended a good one
* Donations - If your in ministry don't expect much in return from your fellow believers!
After our third or fourth preacher and after my ex-girlfriends third or fourth husband... I am glad I stayed out of it all! But still grieve in heart in what I would call Laodicean times.
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It would be a conflict of depending on God to give a person truth when the student at bible college depends on the professor to provide it. But, that is what happens. We are so engaged in believing the words of men rather than waiting on God to give us the truth. Believing the words of man is how we got where we are today.
In short: the evolution of species has never been and never can be demonstrated, because this is not how God created the different kinds of animals.
The longer commentary: Christians who trust the Bible (John 17:17) should not confuse what has been proven with what has never been proven.
1) It has been shown that animals adapt to circumstances and sometimes this influences the form they adopt. For example, the camouflage or mimicry of some animals, the changes in some of their structures such as more or less elongated beaks according to the type of food they are going to consume, etc.
2) It has never been shown that an animal turns into another kind of animal over time. The morphological changes that animals experience are never so many, so deep, so heritable or so permanent over time, as to convert a fish into a reptile, or an ape into a human, for example.
Given that the main promoters of the evolution of species today are atheists, their way of approaching the matter tends to be exaggerated in order to spread an alleged rupture between the veracity of the Bible and the modern discoveries of science. .
Many believers have been blinded by these methods of deceptive propaganda and have come to believe that it is true that fish became reptiles, ... ... ... and that apes became humans. No scientific discovery has proven such a thing.
The longer commentary: Christians who trust the Bible (John 17:17) should not confuse what has been proven with what has never been proven.
1) It has been shown that animals adapt to circumstances and sometimes this influences the form they adopt. For example, the camouflage or mimicry of some animals, the changes in some of their structures such as more or less elongated beaks according to the type of food they are going to consume, etc.
2) It has never been shown that an animal turns into another kind of animal over time. The morphological changes that animals experience are never so many, so deep, so heritable or so permanent over time, as to convert a fish into a reptile, or an ape into a human, for example.
Given that the main promoters of the evolution of species today are atheists, their way of approaching the matter tends to be exaggerated in order to spread an alleged rupture between the veracity of the Bible and the modern discoveries of science. .
Many believers have been blinded by these methods of deceptive propaganda and have come to believe that it is true that fish became reptiles, ... ... ... and that apes became humans. No scientific discovery has proven such a thing.
Paleoanthropology is not a baseless science. It is based on hard evidence. I buy into it, and my Christian faith is unshaken by it. The Genesis creation story is metaphorical. Get over it.
Sciences get "updated" very fast, while the Scriptures DO NOT because they don't need that.
Jesus considered Adam and Eve a real couple. Maybe you should remember who you are following.
Jesus considered Adam and Eve a real couple. Maybe you should remember who you are following.
Ronald Nolette
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If a person can lose their faith due to any external circumstances, it was never a faith rotted in Jesus Himself.
I’ve heard that said but I don’t see that it squares with the parable of the sower.
Ronald Nolette
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True faith cannot be lost. We may be buffeted, tossed and at times filled with doubt, but those are all passing storms. True faith is grounded and Jesus and cannot be lost.
That’s not how I read the parable of the sower. Some really do believe for a little while, said Jesus.
Ronald Nolette
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But we cannot form a full doctrine on one verse of Scripture. John shed fuller light on this when he wrote:
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
And also theparable of the wheat and tares and Matt. 7.
There are many people who look and talk and can even act like Christians but they never gained a saving relationship with Jesus so are only practicing vain religion in the guise of Christianity.
Behold
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Nonsense.
Jesus said....>>>"All that believe in me, i give unto you Eternal LIfe, and you shall never go to Hell, (Perish)".
No CHRISTian goes to Hell.
No Christ rejector, never born again, goes to Heaven.
There is no "2nd Death" for the Born again, as they have already '"passed from death, to LIFE"".
It seems that you have an axe to grind and by not quoting my full post, you misrepresent the context of what I had written.
This is what I had posted in the post that you had quoted: -
It is very easy for us to turn away from God and if we will not repent of our having turned away again from God then at the time of the final judgement, we will be a candidate for the second death.
However, if we will humble ourselves and repent then we will gain life once more.
Shalom
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