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    Limited atonement !

    First you do not understand the difference between Universal Atonement and Universalism. As to your second point, absolutely correct man determines where he will spend eternity heaven or hell. What was atoned by Christ? He accomplishes it through His Incarnation,, death and resurrection. His...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    We don't have a sin nature either. We have a mortal nature. Christ had this same nature, a mortal nature, a nature that could die just like us. That nature came from Mary who also had a mortal nature. Not only wrong, but contradictory as well. You're the one sounding foolish on all points.
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    Where do you find this in scripture. Isn't any wonder your theology is so incongruous with scripture. If this were actually true, then Christ could not be Incarnate either. He would have taken on what you call a sin nature. You make Him a sinner, yet scripture says He was without sin. Now...
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    Limited atonement !

    That is the point precisely. Well, that is if you believe He actually became man, assumed our human nature, the very same nature as we, that is a mortal nature. If that is what you believe you cannot hold to a limited atonement. Limited atonement infers that Christ was not Incarnated. Listen...
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    Real Faith vs Broken faith

    I can understand your reluctance to actually use the texts and contexts to support your assertions. They won't stand up to scripture correctly understood and has not changed since the beginning. Lots of false teachers have come and gone. They are easy to discern. Since you are reluctant to...
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    Limited atonement !

    Wow, I think you are the only one that has supported "limited atonement" on this thread. Might be one other. I have shown biblical evidence it is false. I have presented theological arguments that it is false. I have shown historically it is false. I have shown that it was declared a heresy by...
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    Real Faith vs Broken faith

    I already cited several texts that denies the view you hold. Yet I see nothing from you.
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    Real Faith vs Broken faith

    I see a lot of digression here and nothing to support your concept of OSAS which you call perseverance of the saints. What texts guarantee in this life one has been saved, that is past tense saved by belief.
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    Limited atonement !

    How can you even use the word "Incarnate" and limited atonement in the same phrase. They are categorically, diametrically opposite of each other. Maybe the question should be, do you know what the word means, what it entails? Part of your error in understanding limited atonement is using...
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    Limited atonement !

    So you keep saying, however, I'm asking about those that are not mentioned regarding life. In another post you say the non-elect will be resurrected in the last day. Where in scripture does it say that they received life in order to stand in judgement. You make the same claim for Rom 5:12. If...
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    Limited atonement !

    Heb 2:9 says He tasted death for everyone. It makes it possible for Him to have people believe in Him and have an eternal existence. I John 2:2 says not just for our sins but the sins of the whole world. Well, our sins that Paul references is about the elect, but the rest covers the world...
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    Limited atonement !

    Ah, so your theology does not need to be consistant. You can pick and choose certain texts or deny most texts of scripture when it does not align with your theory. Explain just how your non-elect could be risen? They were not part of the "all mankind" of I Cor 15:12-22 or I Cor 15:52-53...
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    Limited atonement !

    Could you explain to me in vs 18 when it says, as through one man's offense judgement came to all men resulting in condemnation, Now if it is as you say that this is speaking about the elect, where are all those who did not come under the judgement of Adam. Are they still alive since they...
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    Limited atonement !

    That is exactly what he is saying, vs 13 could not be more clear. If those verses are not clear to you, then drop down a few, I Cor 15:21-22. It is an equation.
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    Real Faith vs Broken faith

    That might be even worse. He was the first to make this claim. You are either ignorant of the history of OSAS, or you want to take credit for yourself. But you have not produced any text that supports this idea that a simple one time, mental ascent of faith, finitely grants a person...
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    Limited atonement !

    I'm not sure what answer you are agreed on, I assume post 346. If that is correct the explanation of Rom 5:18-19 is incorrect. But that notwithstanding, there is no such thing as limited atonement.
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    Limited atonement !

    You obviously do not understand the ramifications of your own theology. His gift of salvation is offered to every human being. Heb 2:9 is objective. He overcame death for every human being and no man can reject it. His sacrifice for sin is also offered to all mankind, I John 2:2. This second...
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    Limited atonement !

    What I don't understand why some use words that even scripture does not use. What I have been saying very clearly, as an opposite to the false teaching of limited atonement, using Brightfame52's theology compared to what scripture actually teaches. The text used is I Cor 15:12-19, The words...
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    Limited atonement !

    If you believe it only for the elect, then what I stated is NOT a misrepresentation of your theology. As per scripture, if all the dead are not raised, then Christ is not risen. Your theology does not require it either. If you think it does what scripture could you use to support that Christ...
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    Real Faith vs Broken faith

    You may have adopted it from another false teacher, namely Calvin who is the originator of OSAS. Born again happens when one believes is baptised, and receives the Holy Spirit and enters into His Kingdom. That is a one time event, however it does not mean saved, it does not even guarantee one...