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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Non-Christians do not have a second birth or the resulting first resurrection, Timtofly. They remain dead in their sin. Absolutely not. See above. LOL! Whuuuuuut? Dear God. This it totally ridiculous. LOL!!! See above... The second. :) The first resurrection is the spiritual...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    In your opinion. Fair enough, but it is what it is. I never said it did. No, because the second birth and the first resurrection, though very, very close together, are not the same thing. That they are so very close together makes it acceptable to say that they are together one event, but...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I... never said it was... Is that what you heard me say? No, quite the opposite, actually. Sure. But we've been talking about the first and second resurrection, Timtofly. Right, those who experience the second birth are exempted from the second death. Well, separated from God's grace...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Yes. We don't know. In the fullness of God's time, whatever that is in years to you and me, this age will be brought to a close... when the fullness of the Gentile elect have been brought into God's Israel, and the partial hardening that is now on Israel (the Jewish elect), and together all...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Noone has a physical body in heaven... yet. One day, heaven and earth will be one. Why do you keep asking such inane questions? Oh, yeah... LOL! They are... They are waiting for when they ~ spirit though they are now ~ will be reunited with their physical body, which will be "made new," at...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I don't care, really, what you do or do not do. But it is what it is. Hmm, then how come you keep trying to refute what I've posted? LOL! No, the fact that there is pointedly, in Revelation 20, a "first resurrection," Timtofly, irrefutably implies that there is a second. In Revelation 20...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    No. To be judged. Along with everyone else. To stand, they would have to have at least one leg. <chuckles> However, if you're using "stand" in the sense of withstanding the Judgment, or coming out on the "good side" of the Judgment, then no, the wicked will not stand in the judgment; this...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    One cannot stand, Timtofly, without a body (with at least one leg attached)… :) And the Judgment does not take place in Sheol (regardless of your thoughts about sheol or where that is). Dear God… Well yeah, all who have died before Christ’s return will physically stand ~ along with those...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Continued from above... You're welcome to your opinion, certainly, but I would encourage you to investigate that instead of rejecting it without any thought given to it. All lead up to the Second Coming... and in the last two (Revelation 19:11-21 and Revelation 20:1-21:8), we actually see the...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    This question is rhetorical in nature, really, Timtofly, but doesn't one have to be alive to stand (or to do anything, really...)? Can a dead person stand? Well, in horror movies maybe... :) So, in reference specifically to Revelation 20:12, where John "saw the dead, great and small, standing,"...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    That's... not how to see it. Revelation is a series of parallel views covering the time period since the earthly ministry of Jesus until He returns. The kingdom is here now, but not yet in its fullness, not yet consummated. Disagree. The majority of Revelation "deals with " the time before...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    He is seated ~ which means far, far more than sitting in a chair...:) ~ at the right hand of the Father ~ which means far, far more than "sitting to the Father's right as opposed to His left... :) Aside: The Father is Spirit ~ John 4:24 ~ and therefore does not have a right or left hand, or...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    ...of Revelation 20. Yes, because it is. :) Hmm, by "dead," do you mean physically deceased? If so, then no, because not all will die physically; there will be some still alive physically at Jesus's return. Paul alludes to this in 1 Thessalonians 4. So, to your statement here, no, after...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    It is what it is, David... Nowhere does it say it is before the millennium, either, David. But if one understands correctly the structure of John's Revelation... That's the central issue, really. Sure, agreed. Grace and peace to you, David.
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    So you don’t think what John “sees” in the particular vision of Revelation 20:11-15 is a representation of the same Judgment Jesus describes in Matthew 25:31-46? If not, David, that puts you far outside orthodox (generally accepted) Christian thought on that. All unbelievers will answer in...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Nobody said it was; I'm not even sure what would spur such a comment... Nope. Nope. The sheep are... The sheep have. Jesus's sheep hear His voice, and He knows them, and they follow Him (John 10:27), the direct result of the first resurrection, having been made to see, hear, sing, and leap...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Thanks for the kind words, David. To God be the glory. Well, I don't really notice any "deficiency"... I think you probably could, with a little practice, maybe... Or hey, all us Christians have gifts of the Spirit. Maybe you are gifted in ways you're not even aware of at present... I...
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    The Sun, God's tool to change the World

    Jesus is the Lamb of God, and as such the Sacrifice of the Lamb without blemish that all the sacrifices mandated in the Old Testament pointed to. Yes, Christians are to make no sacrifice in light of that, except for offering ourselves as living sacrifices... also in light of Jesus's final...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Hmmm, confronted with your own words, and you deny them. Interesting. But we could, if only... :) But not before getting in some really good parting shots, eh? :) The core issue is what you presume to be falsehood. Our being born again of the Spirit and the resulting resurrection ~ both...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Well, yeah... immediately after His return. Sure. If you don't understand this to be all people, if you disagree that in Matthew 25:31-46, believers from all time are on His right and unbelievers from all time are on His left, if you disagree that this is Jesus's graphic depiction of the final...