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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Would, in my opinion, make God to be a respecter of persons, specifically the Jews.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Peter, on the day of Pentecost, quoting the prophet Joel indicates that Joel believed the day of the Lord began to be fulfilled in the "last days", not one day, but the entire period of time that began with the first advent of Christ. This is when the Spirit was poured out upon all flesh. Not...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The day of the Lord not only covers the period of time from the first advent, the day of the Lord also indicates 'A' day when the day of the Lord shall end.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Everyone calling themselves Christian ought to be looking for the return of the Lord! It's not looking for His coming again that is unbiblical. It is teaching that when the Lord returns there will still be time, another one thousand years for unbelievers (especially Jews) to turn to the Lord...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    These are the words from the prophets of Old that should give us the ability to understand that the coming day of the Lord they foretell would come, came with the first advent of Christ come to earth a man. But the day of the Lord they foretell would come consists of the entire New Covenant AGE...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    At His coming to us when the last trumpet sounds shall be physical. When Christ sends His Spirit to be within believers, His presence within is not seen with physical sight, and must be spiritually understood. We can plainly understand, if we accept the Words of the Bible, that when Scripture...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Read the whole context: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (KJV) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, the rapture is when the final trumpet sounds! If faithful saints shall not be raptured (caught up to meet the Lord in the air), then we too would suffer the wrath of God by fire that shall consume this earth, and every living thing left on it. Being eternally saved through Christ is the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Tribulation, including "great tribulation" is the Christians lot in life for being faithful to Christ. On the other hand, the wrath of God is the fire that shall come down upon the whole earth after this age of Gospel grace is finished. There won't be any true Christians left on this earth to...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think I understand what you're asking. Why would you think there is or was ever a time when the Jewish nation called Israel would be without the ability to cry out to God through Christ for salvation? They were the nation for whom God chose to reveal Himself to mankind. And it was to the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, the ark was lifted above the earth, floating of the waters of the flood. Neither the ark nor Noah were lifted up into the sky or to heaven, whatever you believe??? They NEVER left the earth. When a boat floats upon the seas it is lifted up above the earth, but the seas the boats float on...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Sorry, I'm not sure of what you're asking?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Aren't you here to study and learn from the Word of God? If you want to learn from man, why bother coming into a forum that promotes study of the Bible?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is NOT pretribulation, and it is physical. Paul is telling us that when the Lord comes the dead in Christ will be physically raised from the graves to immortal and incorruptible physical body, and believers still alive at His coming will be caught up and physically changed with them. This...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What are you talking about? Where did I make any mention of LOGIC? Where in Scripture might I find this pretribulation rapture spiritual event? This statement too appears odd to me. Scripture shows me that a man who is born of the SEED (Christ) is born again of His Spirit. The everlasting...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No we all don't! Yes, your analogies are a problem because they come from your own imagination and are not from the Bible.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Spiritual discernment of the Bible must come from the Bible!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Zacharias believed the prophets of Old. His expectation was that the promised Redeemer he, and all Israel had long awaited had come at last. Yes, when Christ was born, like always the nation of Israel still believed He would rule over a physical Kingdom through military might, and did not...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Oh, you want a rebuttal for what you actually say! Why? I mean you seldom, perhaps never actually rebut replies to you. Instead, you go off on some new made-up analogy, or what you believe and think that proves why you have properly understood Scripture.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Not at all!