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Okay Michael, another day.

Hi Scott, This where the salvation journey or process begins. 1) We're born into this world. (obvious) 2) we are not born with the Spirit of Christ. (obvious) 3) Nobody comes to Christ unless the Father calls them. So the first real step or thing that must happen in the salvation process is we...

At the start of the Salvation journey, were not "born again yet". So far in this discussion, we've been born, called by the Father, repented by a simple turning from our way to the direction of the caller. No act of Faith has been discussed yet. try not to jump ahead.

Hi BB, I think the working of the Holy Spirit at step 4 is external, not internal yet. Huge difference to being His or not right?

We haven't talked about the first act of Faith yet. Only that at that point in the process, we don't have the Spirit of Christ in us yet. So as the result of that state of being, at that point in the process, Christ is none of ours yet. Again , kind of an obvious statement. What I've highlighted...

What specific part are your questioning?

Do you agree with post 82 ? If you need to think about it, take your time.

You've misunderstood what i was trying to point out. Simply, the work Jesus did on Calvary bought everyone (the entire field). That work on Calvary put all of mankind under Grace, Salvation for some , judgement for others.

I can agree with your understandings, but at this 5th step in the process we are not sealed with His Spirit yet. So what that means is because we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet, He is none of ours yet either. With Christ not being our yet, His word is not ours, His promises in His word are...

Good day Michael, here is where we left off. Salvation journey step by step. 1) We're born into this world. (obvious) 2) we are not born with the Spirit of Christ. (obvious) 3) Nobody comes to Christ unless the Father calls them. So the first real step or thing that must happen in the salvation...

Ya, someone calls your name from across a crowded room, you just automatically would turn to the direction of the caller. The Holy Spirits conviction definitely plays apart in that calling by the Father. If it's okay with you, can we take up the next step or happening tomorrow? This next step...

Salvation journey step by step. 1) We're born into this world. (obvious) 2) we are not born with the Spirit of Christ. (obvious) 3) Nobody comes to Christ unless the Father calls them. So the first real step or thing that must happen in the salvation process is we are called out by the Father...

I agree with your understanding of the chosen with this caveat. The Greek is specific about the called out ones, (the chosen). It specifically communicates that a small group is called out from among a larger group that isn't called. I understand those to be the chosen in my understanding. But...

Can you describe the obedient acts that meet the condition to recieve the Spirit of Christ?

Again, the context of this thread is the Salvation process. Obviously a child wouldn't be in the salvation journey yet. So you seem to be evading this simple discussion, I guess I miss read you. Sorry for wasting your time.

Ya I have EG on ignore.

I agree, salvation is conditional. But we haven't gotten to any of those conditions in the discussion yet. So I'm not sure why you think I'm saying everyone is saved unconditionally. The only happenings in the salvation journey I've put on the table for agreement so far are that we are born...

First happening. 1) We must be born into this world. 2) As the result of being born into this world, we are under Grace in this respect. Christ bought the entire field to get the treasure out out it. As the result of being born into this world, we are part of this field. At this beginning stage...

Ok pearl no worries. If you don't understand, you probably shouldn't agree with the information I put forth.

# 24 I'm trying really hard to look at this journey one happening at a time, in the simplest terms i can. First happening. 1) We must be born into this world. 2) As the result of being born into this world, we are under Grace in this respect. Christ bought the entire field to get the treasure...