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  1. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    In a sense, that's correct; it's sinfulness, and unrepentance. But, we will all be judged according to what we have done... the fruit he or she has borne (or not). Yes and no; in one sense, you're right, is is rather because of sinfulness, being dead in sin, which is a state of the heart. But...
  2. PinSeeker

    Why trust the "Early Fathers?"

    LOL! The Lord's Supper is a sacrament in which the bread and the wine that we partake of are temporal elements pointing to a greater reality ~ which... just those words I think you'll agree with, but... The word sacrament can be understood in a narrow sense and also a broad sense, and both at...
  3. PinSeeker

    Why trust the "Early Fathers?"

    IIIIIIIIIIII (see what IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII did there? <smile>) think it's quite obvious, but again, it depends on who we say these "early fathers" are, and I'm sure we disagree ~ for the most part, if not entirely ~ on that (also... <smile>). Hmmm, well... this is true of so many things that get...
  4. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    I'm going to dismiss this too, graciously. <smile> Right, but that doesn't mean He sanctions it or approves of it, or is the author of it. Some will think that, but, okay. Right, but again... well, see directly above. Right. Something decreed is not necessarily actively caused or ordered...
  5. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    Okay, ordaining and decreeing... You know, I went for my afternoon run a little while ago and I was thinking about what I had posted to Lambano... NOTE: I'm not gossiping about Lambano, I just mentioned him ...see what I did there? <smile> So, okay, I'll agree that essentially, they are the...
  6. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    I just mentioned you, that's all. No, it wasn't gossip, or like it, at all. I do not agree with many mainline Christians about certain things in God's Word (especially in the West, as I said) because they are wrong about those things, But I am a member of a church of a (very) mainline, (very)...
  7. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    From above... Now, perhaps here I am not speaking to exactly what you are referring to as "historically quite correct." but no, He doesn't "decree that we should sin" (I'm not sure what you mean by 'historically,' as God is not a part of human history, but rather the Ruler over it... the great...
  8. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    From above... The problem, Lambano, really, is ~ unintended... inadvertent... as it may be ~ an underestimation of sin and our natural condition of being dead in it... which is the proper understanding of John Calvin's "total depravity." Many want to make it out to a very wooden "inability to...
  9. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    With all due respect, probably because you have many of the same misconceptions and misunderstandings that GodsGrace has hit on time and time again over the course of this discussion (if it could be called that at all, really, speaking of GodsGrace's role at least through the latter part of this...
  10. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    Ah, no you're not. LOL! But okay, Gosh. Hey wait, I thought you were done... <smile> What happened to that? <smile> Well, then give me yours. Love The Matrix. What a great flick... No you're not... <smile> You should be, but, hey, you do you. LOL! Wait... how do you know...
  11. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    Good-natured sparring between Christians about the things of God is a good thing. Now, quarreling and disparaging and even insulting should be refrained from completely, and I would exhort you to do just that. LOL! Suit yourself, for sure. <smile> Grace and peace to you in the name of our...
  12. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    Yes, He loves all His creation, and is making it new. However... there is a sense in which He only loves... some/many. Nope. PinSeeker. Right, no need. "Some kind of syntax"... what do you even mean by that? Hm. I'm not even sure what you're talking about here. But no matter. Um...
  13. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    Well, yes, but God's Israel, not physical Israel. And in Romans 9-11, he's clearly speaking of how God will save the individuals that will make up His Israel, His household ~ both ethnic Jew and Gentile. And Moses quoted God. If God says, "I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy...
  14. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    The name is PinSeeker. I've been very clear; all human beings are born "totally depraved." But I think you think "totally depraved" is something different than what John Calvin meant by that term. In a sense, yes... from God's perspective, as He is outside of time, infinite, and all time is...
  15. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    LOL! What does 'elect' mean, GodsGrace? And whose... well, Whose... purpose of election is it? Who does the electing, and why? And Paul is very clear in Romans 9:16, that "it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, Who has mercy." And I'll turn what Paul says in Romans 9:22-24...
  16. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    I hope so. Just being thorough. It shouldn't; that sounds like a you thing. I have no idea what you mean by this. Other than that maybe what you're saying by this is that since God chose who would be saved, there was no need for anyone to pay the wages of sin (death), but that's quite...
  17. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    It is. But dispensationalism is pervasive, especially in the West. Ohhhh, it exists. Here's the Westminster Confession of Faith. There are 33 chapters but it's really not that long a read. Relevant to what we're discussing, you might focus on Chapter 3 (Of God's Eternal Decree), chapter 9...
  18. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    Maybe... <smile> I've been very clear about this. Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for all, and in that sense is for the whole world, for everyone... unlimited. However, we know that not everyone will be saved, Christ's atonement is only applied to and effectual for those who have been given...
  19. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    Good... Fair enough... Ah well, physical Israel and God's Israel, regardless of timeframe, are two different things. There is some overlap, but... well, as Paul says in Romans 9, "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel," and "not all are children of Abraham because they are...
  20. PinSeeker

    The Doctrines of Grace

    This is... mostly... excellent, Titus. These things I would take some issue with: "Jesus had not shed His blood before the cross, therefore His church had not yet been established.... Cant be in the church if there is no blood to purchase you. An a atonement for sins... folks had to hear...