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@theefaith Has multiple posts posts that use repeatedly take individual verses, one verse at a time. A later verse in front of an early verse a verse one verse at time out many books totally out of context to support THE CHURCHES total authority. Why not use a chapter in continuity? In...

Somehow I never find BISHOPS in scripture it may be there, but it seems and has proven to proven at least in some sects to hold the members under earthly authority and not the authority of God! Alfredthefifth

You can go back to the Book of Genesis But for sure in 1 Kings Samuel has to tell the High Priest that his sons are evil and wicked and God's judgment has been pronounced. Paul admonished "Do not lean on Paul but look to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." If the churches that sprang up from...

And when someone is tired enough of the fool to open the Bible for themselves. Often seeing the fool as the fool and asking the church to move back into the WORD the fool and his their followers kick the WORD out of the following, order, sect crying herecy. You end up with a church of a new...

But what will you answer? If you actually answer? The standard line? Or actual events and timelines? The standard line seems to the standard line here. Alfredthefifth

The TWO churches that make it hard to decide which Church today. Have an operating principle of. If it is a worthwhile even needed ministry it will thrive no matter what we do. All a commitee can do is ruin God's work. One is a Lutheran Church, the other is a FRIENDS Church. It is amazing how...

What I get out of your post is that the Gentiles have never been saved because that wasn't isn't the covenant of God as proved by the cross. Alfredthefifth

@Philip James @theefaith At the year 1500 as far as THE CHURCH had drifted from the Gospel I have do wonder what validity of THE CHURCH was,is and shall ever be. Jesus didn't give his disciples that he taught, to change anything in his teaching. Yet the POPE has changed it liberally. I have...

@theefaith Oh and the first protestants didn’t call themselves protestants that was a name applied to them. The reformed church, the church of the Reformation. Became protestant by proclamation of the THE CHURCH, the church that wanted to keep pursuing money grubbing false ways! So am I...

@theefaith You are saying that the Roman Catholic Church has never drifted away from true teaching! That the teaching of work righteousness Buying righteousness Was never taught by THE CHURCH. When Martin Luther was on trial for herecy. Not one priestly judge took up his request, prove my...

Now you laid out the minefield but without mapping the mines. I have known many Christians that have had the church beat out of them. Or maybe said better the Church HURT out of them. They don't deny Christ but negatively question the Christian Church. Their negative attitude towards CHURH gets...

@Behold Jesus's earthly ministry was to Israel. Did his teachings stay Israel centered after Israel rejected him? Does what he said to the Jewish people not apply to all people? What is the purpose in saying "THAT WAS TAUGHT TO THE JEWS!" And not intended for all people? Alfredthefifth

For many sects. They became a separate church because a falsehood permeated the church of there roots. The protestant church roots are the corruption of The Church, the catholic church. When the Gospel was relearned they had to split and become another sect. Then there are sects where a false...

In the replies I read @Dropship Came closest to mine. Everyone is the creation of God. They have an untaught connection to God but do not fully understand the connection because they have never been shown what it means. So they try to recreate what the connection is, some come close and...

You have been in this discussion, yes or no? Are you the fence sitter? The one that argues both sides while trying not to fall off the fence. Tacitly agreeing with one side or the othe as it suited you? The fence implies that you can be in the middle but not take a side. But what if there is no...

@Taken @Wrangler There are toxic things in the thread. The first is how OSAS is applied and how wide the brush painting it is used. I have never claimed ALWAYS SAVED. That is tag applied by false teachers. Because I admit that I am made of sinfull flesh that will always be sinfull flesh. My...

Insult accepted gladly. As the insult is a sure sign of failure. But why assign me the insult? There are more here in camp one, dont they deserve some parting insult also? Toxic waste that is what those in camp two have made out of many vibrant churches.

It is not that I intended to dehumanize anyone. It is just I have been in the presence of false teachers. Before they were fully revealed as wolves in sheeps clothing. Their actions unfortunately were more like rats building a pack. Pearl the originator of this thread in describing how easy...

I was taught it is to prevent those tame rats from showing the vile rats how to get in and blend in. Most tame rats that I have known of are food for snakes. Alfredthefifth

The problem with some rats is they can make themselves look like people. Say good sounding things not just look like house pets but look the king of the house. Look like they are nothing like their vile roots. By their fuits you will know them. Modern By their results you will know them. Have...