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Indwelling of the Holy Spirit at Salvation vs. gifts of the Holy Spirit as the Spirit wishes. 1 Corinthians 12:11. We can clearly see that the Holy Spirit can distribute as he wills. This notion of receiving the Holy Spirit more than once is misleading.

They just do not understand.

I might have misunderstood but I don't think so.

Naaman is one example. Abraham is another. Abraham obtained righteousness by his faith. How was his faith observed? By being obedient to God. Water baptism, dipping seven times, placing your son on a rock for a sacrifice are examples and evidence of our faith. Faith without obedience is not true...

I understood that too mean a sinner can accept Christ, be born again. The Apostle Paul is a good example.

Curtis, I've added to your post how I think some understand things differently (not correcting you but providing a different view that some take). This is always been the challenge regarding (tongues / languages). Understanding the difference in an Angelic supernatural tongue and known and...

I do not see that correlation in his view at all. I think its opposite.

I would say sinful behavior is more lethal than the virus.

Brace yourself, we are about to be told we simply do not understand Calvinism.

Rudo, you continue to make assumptions. I did not establish that God creates evil. God hates evil so why would he create it it? Man sins, not God. We cannot confuse God's wrath as evil. This is not hard to understand, God didn't make Eve eat the forbidden fruit.

For sure... I struggle sometimes with reconciling the behavior of those who seem to truly seek the gifts, a deeper relationship, a stronger yielding to the Spirit and those who for lack of a better term "go overboard" in manifestation of the gifts. I simply do not understand it. I find no...

REALLY. Mungo, upon, within really?

Excellent post.

Tongues = Languages Tongues = Prayer Languages Tongues = Tongues of Angels / Prophecy Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Seek all gifts. Tongues is not a requirement for salvation. Many have placed such an emphasis on Tongues to cause those who are weak to stumble. "I don't speak in Tongues so therefore...

We all know who brought us into existence but do you know why? I do not think we are to languish in our sharing in our understanding of scripture with those who do not agree. I feel you completely understand but closed your mind. You have planted your feet and heart in your view. No need on my...

Your assumptions and definitions are in error. You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Are you not saying that God is not big enough to create something without causing it to commit evil? You ask how can this be, because it is God we are talking about. I think you're actually smart...

Clearly the emphasis is on tongues not hearing. We would be discussing the gift of hearing otherwise.

First let me point out that you're making a false assumption that one must be Calvinist or Arminianism. I'm neither. Calvinist like to define things to suit them, your statement validates that point. I have seen no person cling to Arminianism in this discussion like many have with Calvinism. The...

John Calvin is no more influential to me than any other philosopher of Christianity.

Why do some have difficulty with God's sovereignty and ability to give us free will? He is God. Calvinist always start the debate at step 2. They do not want to start at step 1 on the definition of Elect and Predestination. The Elect are those who have made the free will choice to serve...