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Who says he has to enter a temple?

Obama? When did he lift himself up in pride and sit in the temple? That is the revealing per 2 Thess 2. I prefer to stick with scripture and not guess on things. It leads us to our own understanding. We should lean on the Lord’s instead.

He has never left heaven per Acts. You’re referring to his bright light and voice Saul encountered? He didn’t descend from heaven. And he won’t till he returns to resurrect which cannot happen till the restoration; an event that cannot happen till all things shakeable or removable can be removed...

I didn’t say Jesus wasn’t the first fruits. Of course he was. But the patriarchs are never said to be in heaven. Do you have scripture to back up that opinion? Job is not resurrected as he stated he will wait for his change after the heavens are no more. Job is not the only one to describe the...

But Job was in the spirit speaking truth. He was not reprimanded by God for those words. Yes, Jesus did raise the dead, but the resurrection Job speaks of is the better resurrection (Hebrews 11:35) unto eternal life, not again in the flesh. This is why he says the resurrection will not happen...

If Jesus cannot leave heaven till the restoration of all things to their previous glory, when do you suggest we are in heaven? Are we raptured before the seals or in the trumpets or after the bowls? Where do you place our gathering at?

If we are raptured after the AC is revealed, how long does he reign for? Because mainstream Pre-TB says the AC must reign in the second half of Daniel’s 70th week, after the abomination that causes desolation is setup. If I’m understanding you correctly, after that revealing of the AC would...

It would have been nice to hear your thoughts on my question that you quoted in post #22. Instead, you disregarded it and spoke about post Trib issues. I’m not sure why that was brought up. My post was asking if someone pre-TB could make sense of such and such verses. It was a very open and...

Can someone explain pre-tb with 2Thess 2:1-4 ? Or can you explain it with Job 14:12 ? Or 2 Timothy 4:1 ? Or Isaiah 25:6-10 ? Or Acts 3:21 ? Or can you show me the last trump pre Ch 4? And how there exists 7 more beyond the last? Or can you explain to me the meaning of protos and how the first...

The rapture is not our blessed hope. Christ manifestation is our blessed hope. epipháneia (from 1909 /epí, "on, fitting," which intensifies 5316 /phaínō, "show forth, appear") – properly, a fitting manifestation (literally, "an epiphany") It is found only 6 times in scripture. 2 Tim 4:1 I...

What is holding up the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto him? 2 Thess 2:1-3 3-For that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition That is what is holding it up. The apostasy and the man of sin...

Ronald, Let me repost the most important part first. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: If I were to say, Ronald, after Tuesday I'll be on my Day off. Would that mean I'd be off on Wednesday or Tuesday? Or if I'd say, after 2 weeks, and I'll...

Ronald, What does Daniel say? Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times...

Hello Behold. I'd like to respond to your statement as I've heard this many times from those that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. Why would Christians be on earth during the seals or the trumpets? It sounds terrible, so why put us through it? One poster already responded the Israelites...

Did you read 2 Thess 2? Paul tells you what the restrainer is. And now you know what restrains till he is removed. The HS is never removed. It’s the down payment till the purchased possession. Our gathering together unto Christ cannot happen till there is a falling away first and the man of sin...

Nancy, That is something I struggle with. Explaining that to someone that believes in Pre-TB and doesn’t personally know you, most times it’ll fall on deaf ears. It’s the ones we know we can talk to. I don’t want my brothers/sisters in Christ to be deceived. There are some I personally know...

But you said the bottomless pit is literal. If it’s literal, they key has to be literal. You cannot just decide on your own what’s symbolic vs what’s literal. If the pit is literal, the key is too. Otherwise none of it is literal, but all spiritual and only the spiritually discerned can understand.

Wait, the bottomless pit is literal? Than is the key to open it literal? Sounds like that tv show with the 2 brothers on SciFi network. That would mean the locusts that have women like hair are literal too. We just entered the twilight zone.

You can interpret anyway you like. As long as it’s with love per Christ command.

When pride buds, it’s better to flee. Those that identify as Premil possibly number in the millions and yet because only a few want to discuss this with you, you count that as a “watertight” Amil position? Or perhaps the few arguing with you are not trained debaters or may not even be active...