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Please stop going into such denial, and being so quick to avoid the answers, that you cannot even see them, and you might find your questions ARE being answered.

Already told you. If you choose to go in in to denia/avoid the facts, and ease the conversation into problems with me instead of seeing my very clear point, that is up to you, but the fact remains, I dont trust some of your Poeple in the Church, and for very good reason. My basis for that was...

Ok, how do you know they they didn't, but who cares? The basiss for my belief is that they are just people in a church, no one special, the very answer I already gave, and the only answer you need....get it?. See, in order to hear my answers, you must listen to them. If you choose not to accept...

That they were just people in a church, not Jesus, not God, not THE Apostles. And read on for that "basis". Seemed to me you were minimizing the terrible thing they did by saying we all sin, when the fact is, we are not all pedophiles, or, we don't all do that. So now you should see, and...

How do you know they didn't? And why are you asking me that? Yet theirs were some of the worst of sins you are making excuses for.

My favorite is when they resort to spell checking the opponent.

I see you have run out of argument.

Still just people in a church. Lets be honest here, thr Catholic chirch is far from good, you know their reputation for doing some of the most hortible things, and you actually have the nerve to sit there and tell me how reputable these people are?

Lol....puleeeze.

Yet they were actual biblical apostles, and not who we were taling about. Were were talking about men in a church supposedly founded by the apostles, or non biblical church people. Do I have to warn readers to watch out for every single post here, as they may contain untruthful twists? Twists...

You mean men in a church taught that? You should know by now, that is little to no proof of anything...what does the bible say, what does it teach on that?

Still, no. What I said still stands...you made it up.

You made that last part up. Nowhere in the bible does it state Mary was sinless. See? Its little fibs such as that, which causes people to bow down to graven images of Mary. Please dont try to confuse the issue by bringing children and the mentally ill into this....its simple, Mary is not...

True. Trying to pound it into someone who doesn't want to hear it will only make them hate it all the more.

Suit yourself...I never actually expected an anwer, but felt I needed to make the point.

Who is doing this from your post: Tired of the Gospel being turned into a system of law that only drags us down, robs us of joy and stifles our love for the One who died for us? Tired of being rerouted back to the law in order to be sanctified or to prove that your faith is genuine? If you...

The scripture on the Sheep/Goats, make it very clear we must do works, and you will notice how Christ doesn't even get into the fact that the mentioned works follow faith, but he only makes it clear we do them or else. And that is not to say those works follow faith or not, but either way, they...

You may, but you not wanting to do that, should not excuse the probable fact no one has ever really made the claim you claim they did. If I were you, and you knew someone who made such a claim, I would ask them if it was ok to show us their post. I know I wouldn't mind at all. That said, do...

Then you cannot point to anyone who says the things you accused of in the OP?

Can you please give us an example of someone who does that? Or, in reality, is that just you exagerating the truth, and using verbal sleight of hand to make it appear what is biblical, is wrong, and what is not biblical, or your end of this, seem right?