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The record is clear, Davy. You can go back through this thread and see, if you want. Something tells me you won't bother, and that's fine with me. But the record is clear. I wouldn't call it a "doctrine," really, it just is. Good, and this is what I said. Not using those exact words, but...

I would certainly agree that God is not aloof or uncaring. 'Uncaring' is the opposite of love, and, as you know, I'm sure, God is love. NOTE: 'hate' is not opposed to love ~ there is a righteous, holy hate attributed to God (He even attributes it to Himself) regarding certain things. To...

LOL! You have no idea how much I don't care. Goodness gracious. Certainly, He did. Goodness gracious. John's Revelation is filled with it. You see it as such, too, Scott, although not as much of it as you should. Which is kind of funny, since you said it was me who was "picking and...

Okay, well, you're wrong. I don't agree with you on your take on what Scripture says about these things. Again, in principle, we agree, on them, but on the true nature of them not so much. No, I don't Scott. I don't. I say you don't understand... well, Revelation 20:7-15 (and other passages...

No, you don't, for sure; I'm very much not accusing you of such. But you do misunderstand... and that's quite a different thing than, well, "making up stuff"... <smile> And even so, that's not any kind of insult to your intelligence... you know, just in case you were to think you perceive...

I agree, of course, but the issue is the... understanding (or misunderstanding, actually)... of this being "gathered up" and "thrust into" the "lake of fire," and the "lake of fire" itself, and the "burning by God." John's Revelation should not be read like a Dick and Jane first grade primer...

Hmmm... well in a sense, it's not controversial at all; we agree. But in a different sense, we don't, and it apparently is... LOL! Well, I'll agree that they don't want to, because it's only after a protest of sorts (weak as it is) that they go. But they don't then say, "No way, man, I'm not...

Scott, in Matthew 25:41 ~ which you seemingly rather "conveniently" cut out of your quote ~ Jesus says to them, "depart from me" (also in Matthew 7:23). Now, why would he tell them to depart from Him if anyone was really going to "cast them in" in the way you're suggesting? I would just say...

Good. Right. Hmmmm, well, you might read Matthew 25, especially Jesus's directive to them in verse 41, and then what Jesus says is their subsequent action in verse 46. I mean, I'm sure you have before, but-tuhhhhh... <smile> Well, that none will be remaining here, among us who will have...

The millennial reign is now, Scott. I thought that was your understanding as well. Now, His millennial reign surely doesn't look like we want it to look right now, but that doesn't mean He's not reigning now... and His eternal reign certainly will. I ask you, Scott, right now, Who is your...

Agree, but... <smile> We disagree on the nature of this fire. I would encourage you to do, using a good concordance, a wordsearch on 'fire' and 'consume' throughout the Bible. Right, in the sense that everything will then be completely refined... made pure. Now, heaven... I mean, where God...

Agree. Grace and peace to you, Jack.

Absolutely. But what it really looks like we cannot really know. Speaking of Jesus... <smile>... He also spoke of this place as a place of darkness, even outer darkness (in Matthew 8:12, 22:13, and 25:30), which must be really, really, REALLY dark. Like extra-specially, super-dee-duper dark...

Well maybe so, but it is a tormented existence throughout eternity, and we agree on that, so I'm not sure why you're saying that to me, as if I think otherwise. Certainly it will be a terrible torment to them... and unending. I mean, it's frightening (to put it mildly) to even think about at...

No doubt. Grace and peace to you, Jack.

All we have to do to understand that people aren't literally on fire or being burned ~ much less in a literal "lake of fire," which seemingly a contradiction in and of itself; a lake is a body of water, not fire ~ is read, even in a cursory fashion, Jesus's parable in Luke 16. The rich man, who...

Right. And never has He promised to remove His people from trial or tribulation or trouble, but to walk with them and deliver them through it. Right... and, well, after, too... <smile> Of course, then, there will be no more trouble of any kind. <smile> Grace and peace to all.

Absolutely not. For you to accuse me of that... I mean, you can't; I'm not denying the original prophecies in any way whatsoever. Absolutely. But the promise is much bigger than you make it out to be. Even ~ probably ~ much greater than even the prophets of old realized. Right, who is...

Right, and they were both in paradise, that day. Neither one of them physically, as Jesus's body was obviously in the tomb, and presumably the thief's was, too, but still, regarding their spirits ~ Jesus committed His spirit to the Father and breathed His last (Luke 23:46)... He said "It is...

But his prophecy was made while the Jews were in Babylon, Marks, in Babylonian captivity. Yes, his prophecies were as yet future even then, but his prophecies had an immediate fulfillment ~ when King Cyrus later released them and they returned to the promised land ~ and will have an ultimate...