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Well, I'm glad know that you don't see the folks spoken of in Revelation 7:1-8 as the first fold and those spoken of in Revelation 7:9-17 as a second fold, but... <smile> All of Revelation 7 speaks of one group of folks, but the two "halves" speak of two different aspects of that one group...

<smile> Okay... Yes, as the stars of heaven, as the grains of sand on the seashore, sure. Do you think that the first half of Revelation 7 (vv.1-8) is "one fold" and the second half (vv.9-17) is a second? I disagree with that, and the notion that there are two folds. Jesus says, "I have...

I understand. And that's kind of what I was getting at, although... it's not about me, of course. Right... And why do you believe this, The Light? What scriptural support would you use for this statement? I think I know the answer to that, but I would submit to you that you are not...

In keeping with this from my Post #581 above, regarding the seals and particularly the seventh seal in Revelation 7, I would submit the following: What happens with the opening of the seventh seal? We expect the seventh in this series to be climactic. Seven symbolizes completeness; so with the...

Okay, finishing up; sorry... We are in the period of tribulation now. And there will be a time of great tribulation at the end of the age. Well, right, but see above. Again, this is your opinion only. I believe the lack of understanding to be yours, but really, it's okay. It's okay...

In the same sense that you and I both have been saved ~ we have been born again of the Spirit ~ and are being saved ~ being kept in faith in the power of the Spirit and will not be lost but raised up on the last day (John 6:39), so is the harvest happening now ~ people are coming to Christ, one...

And I say that's the case with yours. It's called "disagreement." In Romans 11:25-26 ~ as you know, I'm sure ~ Paul says (and I quote), "a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in." So: A. Yes, because of that word 'until,' that could be...

In your opinion, I get it. And I'm perfectly fine with you saying that a 1:1 ratio is not what's in view in Jesus's comments is my opinion, but it is what it is. Yet again, as Jesus says, "Many are called, but few are chosen." So, I'm kind of throwing your question right back at you in a way...

"Taken" in the sense of being... taken from here... departing, and not entering into the New Heaven and New Earth with God's elect, the folks on Jesus's right in the final Judgment. As I said, no. You keep misstating what I have been saying, making it out to be opposite what it has always been...

Quibbling over this is unnecessary, but reading what Jesus says in Matthew 24 woodenly as a 1:1 ratio is very incorrect. Jesus was certainly stating the difference between one and another, but no actual proportions are in view. You will remember, I'm sure, something that has come up repeatedly...

Yes. We disagree. It's okay. <smile> I didn't say or insinuate that. See, this is what's so strange, is that you (and others), in addition to understanding a lot of Scriptural things incorrectly, even understand what "Amills" are saying incorrectly. The only question is, do you do that on...

That's true of all Jesus's sheep. No one is denying anything, The Light. Just because someone proclaims something a fact does not make it so. So, yes, I'm very much disagreeing with your understanding of certain scriptural things, for sure. No apologies necessary. In your opinion. And you...

That's what I'm saying to you. In addition to what I said about God's Israel. All of those who are Christ's... who have been born again of the Holy Spirit... saved by grace through faith... for all time up to now (see Hebrews 11; "by faith...") ...are His sheep and hear His voice. Sure. But...

I'm sure you are. Yes, Jesus, in His conversation with a group of Jews in John 10, is talking about the Gentiles in John 10:16, saying to them, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice." But the two "folds" become one people...

Christ's Church, God's elect, God's Israel (His household), and Jews are all names for the same group of people, The Light. If you read what Paul says throughout his letter to the Romans; it's all in the same context: Romans 2:28-29 ~ "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is...

Not really, no, they will depart. Jesus will say, in the final Judgment, "Depart from Me, for I never knew you." Right, they won't be "taken" in the sense that... rapturists... suppose the church to be taken or removed. That's all you, Rebuilder. That's one of my points. Rapturists...

The only ones "taken" in the days of Noah were the wicked... everyone except Noah and his family and the animals. The rest were... swept away in the flood. And suddenly, without warning, which was Jesus's point in Matthew 24:36-44 ~ "that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of...

I agree, and one of them is you. The only thing you said in response to me, initally... with any sort of relevancy to what I had said... was, " Uh no. You thoughouly tortured all that for doctrine sake. Very bad to do that." No effort was made on your part to engage me in any kind of...

I don't care. <smile> No "games"... unless you call disagreeing with you a "game"... <smile> Call me what you will. I literally don't care. Again, you will get no "games" from me. Ever. Hey, I get it; you're just here to be a petty little internet bully and troll. I mean yeah, suit...

LOL! Well that's an inferiority-complex remark if I ever heard one... <smile> And I might say the same to you... <chuckles> But hey, suit yourself. No "games" on my part, for sure. I guess that's your way of saying "don't disagree with me," or "don't make my comments look stupid"... Back...