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    ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?

    Cause and effect I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you and watch over you. Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you. Psalm 32-8-9 The will of God could be...
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    ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?

    Your quote: "The above is not Christianity!!! It is the religion of the Pharisees!! Christians, real Christians, are followers of Jesus Christ!!" What was the mistake of the Pharisees? "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill...
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    ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?

    "WOW - Do you have it wrong-" You have your perspective and I have mine. I am happy with that, I can only share scripture and how it speaks to me. The problem with world views is none are absolute, they rely on assumptions and positions of faith. Hyper-grace is a particular view that...
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    ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?

    "You are gods" Some imagine "gods" can be sinners in all but name, claiming the inheritance of the Kingdom without its power or victory. Love defeated and broken, hearts hard and ignorant, darkness clouding the soul of man so they stumble in the dark hurting themselves and others and this is...
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    ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?

    You stated: **** Yes indeed, hearing from Him does "imply those things happened"!!! but you are not making it about simply hearing from Him, but rather about the things that happened to get us to the point of simply seeking Him and His voice!! For example ( note that none of what I am...
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    ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?

    "You are gods" - You mention the Holy Spirit indwelling us as believers, and take becoming a believers is Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; The difficulty with a phrase "confess with your...
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    Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?

    Reading some of the responses raises in my mind the issue of behaviour verses belief. Part of the essence of Jesus's message is God is love, and if one walks in love you will accept Jesus. Doctrine or theology is trying to make sense of judgement, salvation and our walk. We are always...
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    Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?

    I look at things from a fruit perspective. If ones emphasis is on one aspect of faith or interaction, then unity encourages personal experience with the Lord. If compromise means diluting who the Lord is and how He works, then there is no compromise. Healing on demand. Little gods heresy...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    Amen What I have learnt is two layers are major. Who we think we are and how we react and the drivers of these reactions. The world makes people chaotic and often unpredictable to themselves and others, held together with a cultural form of expression. I used to think we could be analysed and...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    An absolute is a summary of a situation. The boundary point between two position and the context often make things more subtle. Scripture is full of emotional context language. So we love our neighbour, and show love to all, even our family, except we have to hate our family in comparison to...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    I admit I see things from a defined perspective because it is clear to me. In discussions with others I have found they mould scripture and interpret it to their view, and change meaning of words to fit with their interpretation. So repentance is changing ones mind about an issue, not...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    Interesting cause and effect. Driving a car is driving a car from its departure point to its destination. It is how you get to where you need to go. If one abandons the journey you never arrive. When we learn to drive we are still driving, just with more intervention from the teacher. When we...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    I had a debate with an individual that lasted years. He was convinced I was a pretend righteous hypocrite, saying the words but they were lies. Another believer felt speaking the creeds was just brainwashing and they meant nothing. We are emotional creatures and what we believe is true is...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    Legalism is following a set of rules for the rules sake. If anyone reads "If you love me you will obey my commands" as legalism, they have not loved Jesus. The law is the law not to spoil people, or make them feel guilty, but to shine a light on a need. For some the need is Jesus and letting...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    You are right, we are emphasising different things, sensitive to different issues and putting the gospel around our emphasis. When I was young I wondered what it would be like to fall in love. Then I did. You can know all the theory in the world, but being in love is an event. What appealed...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    My point was simple, Paul was concerned with on going sin in Corinth of which the church repented and sorted. They were not trying to keep the law and commandments, they were failing to live a life of love in communion with Jesus. My previous interactions on similar issues is the argument...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    I realise this is a statement of faith, which traditionally not been part of conservative Christian belief. To me it is clear the letters of Paul describe the struggles of believers with sin, some falling away while others repenting and resolving their sinful behaviour. A simple example is the...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him. John 3:36 "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also." John 8:20 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    "Salvation is Jesus dying on the Cross for your sin." If salvation was Jesus dying on the cross for our sin then everyone is saved which is universalism. And hyper grace holds sin is no longer the issue it is faith in Jesus or disbelief. Strangely if one believed, then saved eternal, then...
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    What Is Salvation In The Bible?

    Our salvation is not just a new heavenly bodies when we meet Jesus, but is our walk today. No one earns salvation, but salvation or what it is to be saved is to walk with Jesus. Sin hardens our hearts and makes us blind to others. A blind person does not know what they are missing or even that...