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It's interesting that @Jerry Huerta thinks facts are funny. What's wrong, Jerry? Why don't you agree with your Premill buddy Justin Martyr about the facts of how many Amills there were in the early church?

Who is your king, Jerry? We know it's not Jesus because you believe He is not King right now and is not reigning right now.

In the parable of the wheat and tares, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one" (Matthew 13:38). Are you a child of the kingdom of Christ or a child of the kingdom of the wicked one, Jerry?
The parable teaches about the final harvest of Israel, and the establishment of the Christ's rule on David's throne upon his return (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27, and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12).

The tares would be those who come in and teach amill! :csm
 
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It's interesting that @Jerry Huerta thinks facts are funny. What's wrong, Jerry? Why don't you agree with your Premill buddy Justin Martyr about the facts of how many Amills there were in the early church?

Who is your king, Jerry? We know it's not Jesus because you believe He is not King right now and is not reigning right now.

In the parable of the wheat and tares, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one" (Matthew 13:38). Are you a child of the kingdom of Christ or a child of the kingdom of the wicked one, Jerry?
You're ridiculous and mendacious. He's my king and I know him better because I know he returns to sit on his throne, :csm

Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
 

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The parable teaches about the final harvest of Israel, and the establishment of the Christ's rule on David's throne upon his return (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27, and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12).

The tares would be those who come in and teach amill! :csm
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. When are the tares and goats cast into the fire? When Jesus returns at the end of the age or 1,000+ years later? It indicates that it occurs when He returns at the end of the age (Matt 25:31-46, Matt 13:36-43). The tares and goats being cast into the everlasting fire is the same event as those whose names are not written in the book of life being cast into the lake of fire. That happens after the thousand years and since other scripture shows unbelievers being cast into the fire at Christ's return at the end of the age, that places His return at the end of the age after the thousand years.
 

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You're ridiculous and mendacious. He's my king and I know him better because I know he returns to sit on his throne, :csm

Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
I am not lying at all. I'm going by what you say. You said He doesn't reign in His kingdom now, so He is NOT your King right now. He's not a king without a kingdom.
 
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Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. When are the tares and goats cast into the fire? When Jesus returns at the end of the age or 1,000+ years later? It indicates that it occurs when He returns at the end of the age (Matt 25:31-46, Matt 13:36-43). The tares and goats being cast into the everlasting fire is the same event as those whose names are not written in the book of life being cast into the lake of fire. That happens after the thousand years and since other scripture shows unbelievers being cast into the fire at Christ's return at the end of the age, that places His return at the end of the age after the thousand years.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, when Christ returns, he brings the saints with him after meeting them in the clouds, their judgment is completed, then he sits on his throne to judge the sheep and the goats. The sheep are not the saints in Matthew 25:31-34. when Christ returns. :csm
 

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I am not lying at all. I'm going by what you say. You said He doesn't reign in His kingdom now, so He is NOT your King right now. He's not a king without a kingdom.
Obviously, you do not follow the Lamb wherever he goes. He's seated at his Fathers throne now (Revelation 3:21) and returns to sit on his own (Matthew 25:31). You don't know Christ as well as I do and other Premillennialists.:csm
 

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Tsk, tsk, tsk, when Christ returns, he brings the saints with him after meeting them in the clouds, their judgment is completed, then he sits on his throne to judge the sheep and the goats. The sheep are not the saints Christ returns. :csm
Yes, they are. They are the resurrected dead in Christ along with those who are alive and remain until His second coming. You have no discernment whatsoever. All people will stand before the judgment seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12).
 

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Obviously, you do not follow the Lamb wherever he goes. He's seated at his Fathers throne now (Revelation 3:21) and returns to sit on his own (Matthew 25:31). You don't know Christ as well as I do and other Premillennialists.:csm
He is my King right now and reigns in His kingdom that did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). As for you, He cannot be your king because you said He is not reigning right now and He is not a king without a kingdom. You can't possibly follow Him wherever He goes because He's not even your King. You don't know Him at all. Most other Premills do not agree with you that He doesn't reign at all right now because they recognize that He is King over His spiritual kingdom right now. They just don't believe that is the kingdom He reigns over for a thousand years and think that is an earthly kingdom instead.
 
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Yes, they are. They are the resurrected dead in Christ along with those who are alive and remain until His second coming. You have no discernment whatsoever. All people will stand before the judgment seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12).
Hogwash. If the sheep in Matthew 25 were Christians of this age they wouldn't need to be introduced to Christ. First Thessalonians 4 affirms we meet Christ in the air, not on earth. Do your homework. :csm
He is my King right now and reigns in His kingdom that did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). As for you, He cannot be your king because you said He is not reigning right now and He is not a king without a kingdom. You can't possibly follow Him wherever He goes because He's not even your King. You don't know Him at all. Most other Premills do not agree with you that He doesn't reign at all right now because they recognize that He is King over His spiritual kingdom right now. They just don't believe that is the kingdom He reigns over for a thousand years and think that is an earthly kingdom instead.
Foolishness! David was anointed king some 20 years before he ruled. You don't know Christ or the scriptures. You certainly don't know him as well as Premillennialists do. :csm
 

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Hogwash. If they were Christians of this age they wouldn't have to be informed they wouldn't need to be introduced to Christ. First Thessalonians 4 affirms we meet Christ in the air, not on earth. Do your homework.
Hogwash yourself. What are you even talking about here when you say "introduced to Christ"?

You don't even know why we will meet Him in the air. But, please, why don't you try to enlighten me about that.

Foolishness! David was anointed king some 20 years before he ruled. You don't know Christ or the scriptures. You certainly don't know him as well as Premillennialists do. :csm
Foolishness! He was not king until he actually ruled as king. You don't know Christ or the scriptures at all. Did you miss what I said about most Premills? They don't agree with you that He doesn't reign right now in any way, shape or form. Many Premills recognize that He reigns now over His spiritual kingdom that did not come with observation and is not of this world and they believe He will rule over an earthly kingdom when He returns. So, those Premills at least know Jesus better than you do, if you even know Him at all.

Tell me what mortals will be on the earth during the supposed future millennial kingdom you believe in. Where do they come from? How do they survive His return?