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The End of the Age
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quietthinker
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It's true, brother. I have been telling people a lot of this since my days at Worthy Christian Forum and people mocked me. I told them that I have seen the hybrids and nephilim and I was called delusional and a liar. I told them that a day was coming when they too would see them ...the days of Noah ...and that hearts would fail for what they would see.
I'm listening to this man and so far, I'm in agreement with what he's saying.
quietthinker
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I have reservations, not in all that he said but in HOW cleverly his testimony morphed from his claims of God telling/ answering his question/s to a rambling founded on his particular theological interpretation.....which I find questionable. It was so seamlessly done I could not immediately tell where God's answer to him stopped and his assumptions/ views took over, but done it was.
I have no major issues with what he said. But what I would encourage you to do is to pray and ask God what He'd have you glean from this message.
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Truth7t7
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Hyper sensationalism, mixing his Quanon "self proclaimed visions" in disasters Etc, Etc
I find his words to be distant from biblical truth, his words on 2 Peter 3:10 and the day of the Lord he's apparently reading from a modern amplified version stating the earth will be laid bare?
My KJV Holy Bible teaches the earth's very elements will be dissolved, just to mention one of His Hyper Fantasies and Visions
In Love
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
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God is very detailed in describing the deceptions that will be used, (The False Prophet) calls fire down from heaven before (The Beast) sorta like Elijah to "Deceive The World" before your eyes, no guess work
Matthew 24:24KJV
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
ScottA
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I watch about half (for now)...and he is mostly on track, only still suffering from the lens of former false teachings regarding some of the timing of events.
quietthinker
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My dear TLHKAJ, thank you for your encouragement. I hope you know I am very fond of you and my heart goes out. I also hope this is not misunderstood as it so often is.
My life is lived in ongoing prayer with my Abba/ Saviour.....and for your interest, it is for discernment, for clarity, for the desire to have the same affection for his children as he has, for a heart of flesh rather than a heart of stone, for the desire to lay aside my selfishness and for a greater revelation of the wonder of himself.
In the process I see my requests answered. I have a deep seated joy and an unquenchable longing to speak well of him as no doubt his immediate mates and many others since, have also desired.
NotTheRock
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Are you still a member at Worthy Christian Forum? The owner "George" and top moderator "Michael37" act like a couple of cult leaders. They require their participants to treat them with holy deference or be banned. I guess that's why they have such little discussion there.
Davy
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I had to stop the video short when he wrongly began speaking of the 2 Thessalonians 2 chapter about the idea of the 'restrainer'.
The false Pre-trib Rapture School believes that the one who restrains of 2 Thess.2:6-8 is The Holy Spirit, but it is not. It will be Archangel Michael as the one who "withholdeth" is foretold to be Michael back in Daniel 10, a chapter showing events that transpire in the heavenly, as a parallel upon the earth.
The "strong delusion" of 2 Thess.2 the video also just bypasses, which is how Paul was revealing the coming of the false-Messiah that will work all power and signs and lying wonders playing God, which Jesus warned us that would come at the end per Matthew 24:23-26.
The false Pre-trib Rapture theory wrongly believes Christ's faithful Church will be raptured out prior to all the bad stuff during the time of "great tribulation". The reality per God's Word as written though, is that Christ's faithful Church will go through the "great tribulation", simply because Jesus showed His coming to gather them will be AFTER... the tribulation.
The false Pre-trib Rapture theory also uses 'sensationalism' about the "great tribulation" time with wars, earthquakes, pestilences, all out chaos, like a hell on earth, when Lord Jesus actually showed those things happens just prior... to the "great tribulation" in a time He called "the beginning of sorrows". Jesus said we'd hear of wars and rumors of war, and to not be troubled about those things, because those must happen, BUT... He said, the end is not yet, meaning the great tribulation at the end. That means the time of great tribulation will actually be a time of world peace, and not war, not all out chaos, but instead a chicken in every pot, as long as you bow to the false-Messiah and take his mark.
Even in 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul showed that when the deceived world says, "Peace and safety," that is when the "sudden destruction" will come upon them. Paul was pointing to the world peace that will happen during false-Messiah's reign during the "great tribulation". The world is going to be fooled by his fake world peace. This is revealed in Daniel 8 with that coming Antichrist who it says will destroy many using peace, and that craft will prosper by his hand. Chicken in every pot for the deceived and the wicked who will serve him.
Even in Revelation 11 after... God's "two witnesses" are killed with their dead bodies left laying in the street, the deceived world will rejoice and send each other gifts, not showing a time of world chaos, but a time of world peace, even though the majority will be deceived by the miracles and great wonders the false-Messiah and his angels will work on the earth in the sight of men.
The false Pre-trib Rapture School believes that the one who restrains of 2 Thess.2:6-8 is The Holy Spirit, but it is not. It will be Archangel Michael as the one who "withholdeth" is foretold to be Michael back in Daniel 10, a chapter showing events that transpire in the heavenly, as a parallel upon the earth.
The "strong delusion" of 2 Thess.2 the video also just bypasses, which is how Paul was revealing the coming of the false-Messiah that will work all power and signs and lying wonders playing God, which Jesus warned us that would come at the end per Matthew 24:23-26.
The false Pre-trib Rapture theory wrongly believes Christ's faithful Church will be raptured out prior to all the bad stuff during the time of "great tribulation". The reality per God's Word as written though, is that Christ's faithful Church will go through the "great tribulation", simply because Jesus showed His coming to gather them will be AFTER... the tribulation.
The false Pre-trib Rapture theory also uses 'sensationalism' about the "great tribulation" time with wars, earthquakes, pestilences, all out chaos, like a hell on earth, when Lord Jesus actually showed those things happens just prior... to the "great tribulation" in a time He called "the beginning of sorrows". Jesus said we'd hear of wars and rumors of war, and to not be troubled about those things, because those must happen, BUT... He said, the end is not yet, meaning the great tribulation at the end. That means the time of great tribulation will actually be a time of world peace, and not war, not all out chaos, but instead a chicken in every pot, as long as you bow to the false-Messiah and take his mark.
Even in 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul showed that when the deceived world says, "Peace and safety," that is when the "sudden destruction" will come upon them. Paul was pointing to the world peace that will happen during false-Messiah's reign during the "great tribulation". The world is going to be fooled by his fake world peace. This is revealed in Daniel 8 with that coming Antichrist who it says will destroy many using peace, and that craft will prosper by his hand. Chicken in every pot for the deceived and the wicked who will serve him.
Even in Revelation 11 after... God's "two witnesses" are killed with their dead bodies left laying in the street, the deceived world will rejoice and send each other gifts, not showing a time of world chaos, but a time of world peace, even though the majority will be deceived by the miracles and great wonders the false-Messiah and his angels will work on the earth in the sight of men.
Davy
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Another thing that the false Pre-trib Rapture theory teaches, is that the "day of the Lord" is the time of the "great tribulation". That's why that video is confusing the Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye sensationalism for the tribulation. The "day of the Lord" is actually the day when Jesus returns and fights His enemies on earth, taking control over all kingdoms. It is the day of God's "consuming fire" which will burn man's works off the surface of this earth and end this present world earth age, and start Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the nations, with His Zadok elect priests.
Also, the word "elements" in 2 Peter 3:10, is a Greek word that means a 'serial order', like a world age. It does NOT mean the atomic elements of earthly matter. It is pointing to man's works being burned off this earth, but not the earth literally destroyed as many think. In 2 Peter 3 he was describing previous... destructions by God upon this earth, but using a flood of waters. That ended man's works off the surface of the earth, not destroying the earth. This next destruction of man's works will be by fire, but it won't destroy the whole earth, but only man's works off its surface.
Also, the word "elements" in 2 Peter 3:10, is a Greek word that means a 'serial order', like a world age. It does NOT mean the atomic elements of earthly matter. It is pointing to man's works being burned off this earth, but not the earth literally destroyed as many think. In 2 Peter 3 he was describing previous... destructions by God upon this earth, but using a flood of waters. That ended man's works off the surface of the earth, not destroying the earth. This next destruction of man's works will be by fire, but it won't destroy the whole earth, but only man's works off its surface.
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Not correct.
Does Amos 5:18-20 ,,, the Day of the Lord will be darkness, not any light....fit with the glorious Return? Or any of the many Prophesies that describe a worldwide disaster, belong at the Return.
Also; there is no fire mentioned when Jesus kills the armies at Armageddon.
The Great Day of Almighty God, Rev 16:14 refers to the Return of King Jesus.
Davy
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I don't have time to go over what The Old Testament prophets declared about events that occur on the "day of the Lord". Both Apostles Paul and Peter were pulling directly from those events in The Old Testament prophets about the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night". And per Revelation 16:15, Lord Jesus said He comes "as a thief".
So I don't know why you are wanting to interject a different timing into the Scriptures that does not exist.
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Spiritual Israelite
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That Amos 5 passage is only in relation to what will happen to unbelievers when Christ returns, so you should not try to apply it to everyone. Believers, in contrast, will be changed to put on bodily immortality and caught up to meet Christ in the air on the day of the Lord and will then be with Him forever.
The darkness part of the day of the Lord, applied only to unbelievers:
1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
The light part of the day of the Lord, applied only to believers:
1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thess 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
2 Thess 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Nor is it Michael.
The ECFs and apologists reveal the identity of the restrainer. So does history.
Tertullian (2nd-3rd Century)
ON THE RESURRECTION, CHAP. XXIV
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work; only he who now hinders must hinder, until he be taken out of the way." What obstacle is there but the Roman state, the falling away of which, by being scattered into ten kingdoms, shall introduce Antichrist upon (its own ruins)?
APOLOGY, CHAP. XXXII.
There is also another and a greater necessity for our offering prayer in behalf of the emperors, nay, for the complete stability of the empire, and for Roman interests in general. For we know that a mighty shock im (43) pending over the whole earth--in fact, the very end of all things threatening dreadful woes---is only retarded by the continued existence of the Roman empire.
John Chrysostom (c. 347-407)
Homilies on Second Thessalonians
HOMILY IV. 2 THESSALONIANS ii. 6--9.
"Only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way," that is, when the Roman empire is taken out of the way...
Augustine of Hippo (345 - 430)
City of God, Book XX, Chapter 19
For what does he [Paul] mean by "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holdeth, let him hold until he be taken out of the way: and then shall the wicked be revealed?" [2 Thess 2] I frankly confess I do not know what he means. ... However, it is not absurd to believe that these words of the apostle, "Only he who now holdeth, let him hold until he be taken out of the way," refer to the Roman empire, as if it were said, "Only he who now reigneth, let him reign until he be taken out of the way." "And then shall the wicked be revealed:" no one doubts that this means Antichrist.
While not commenting directly upon the 2 Thessalonians 2 passage, Cyril of Jerusalem affirmed the historical consensus that antichrist would not appear until the Roman empire had disappeared:
Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386)
Catechetical Lectures
LECTURE XV.
ON THE CLAUSE, AND SHALL COME IN GLORY TO JUDGE THE QUICK AND THE DEAD; OF WHOSE KINGDOM THERE SHALL BE NO END, DANIEL vii. 9--14.
12. But this aforesaid Antichrist is to come when the times of the Roman empire shall have been fulfilled...
The early church believed that the pagan Roman empire, under which the church was then living, was the restrainer which would eventually be "taken out of the way", and which was forestalling the emergence of the papal Roman empire, which Paul describes as the lawless one; and its eventual apostasy. In the related verses in 2 Thess. 2 Paul does not reveal the identity of the restrainer. If Paul had believed that the Holy Spirit was the restrainer, there would have been no reason for Paul not to explicitly identify Him. But Paul did have a reason. John Chrysostom reveals it:
"Because if he meant to say the Spirit, he would not have spoken obscurely, but plainly, that even now the grace of the Spirit, that is the gifts, withhold him...But because he said this of the Roman empire, he naturally glanced at it, and speaks covertly and darkly. For he did not wish to bring upon himself superfluous enmities, and useless dangers. For if he had said that after a little while the Roman empire would be dissolved, they would immediately have even overwhelmed him, as a pestilent person, and all the faithful, as living and warring to this end."
Paul did not wish to jeopardize the Church by attracting the attention of the Roman authorities.
History subsequently confirmed the validity of Paul's inspired prescience.
The Reformers recognized and understood both Paul and history.
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This scenario is pure conjecture and assumptions, made to suit a false belief which denies the Millennium. to come after Jesus Returns.
It is quite untenable, as the sun being darkened, earthquakes and fires, must be seen and experienced by everyone alive
It is also, totally impossible for anyone to be made immortal before the final Judgment, when the Book of Life will be opened.
Spiritual Israelite
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I see only your words, which mean nothing to me, and no scripture to back them up. What do you think you accomplish by making these claims that you can't back up with scripture?
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