amigo de christo
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But the question now is , does one believe HIS WORDS . that is the KEY .
or do men rather twist and omit some of them words . Just a good reminder for all to hear and to take heed unto it .
God Made Jesus, born of the Flesh and Spirit, whom was the Word of God.
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or do men rather twist and omit some of them words . Just a good reminder for all to hear and to take heed unto it .
Marvelloustime
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Aunty Jane
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This is something missing in the interpretation of this verse…..he spoke of “the temple of his body”….but if we read in Eph 2:18-22…..Paul says of Jesus….
“For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.” (ESV)
The “body of Christ” is not his physical body, nor the one he was raised in…..his “body” is his elect, who were granted access to heaven when he gave his life, because his death paved the way for them to do so. The curtain in the Temple that separated the Most Holy from the Holy compartment was rent in two when Jesus died, symbolizing this fact. No one went to heaven before Christ….(John 3:13)
Seeing his words with spiritual eyes reveals what he really meant.
Besides the Word was made flesh, in the beginning was the Word.
Apparently the Word Himself have a beginning, like, in the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth.
On the other hand, we don't read that in the beginning was GOD right?
Because GOD ever existed and have no beginning nor end, compared to creation/creature.
Moreover, GOD says about HIS Son/Word/Jesus in introduction as 'MY only begotten'.
It's like my wife and i have only one kid, therefore will be also saying, 'My or our only begotten'.
Since in Heaven there's no marriage and GOD have no wife, as a result, HE creates or form.
Let's say GOD alone create/form HIS Son in HIS express image, hence calls as, My only begotten apparently, makes sense.
While later on, GOD by and through and for the Son created all other creation in Heaven and on earth.
In other words, based on all that has been created/formed called creation/creature, the Son is the 'firstborn'.
Whether, firstborn 'of' or 'over' all creation/creature, the Son is still part of them in similarity.
Colossians 1:
15. Who is the image of the invisible GOD, the firstborn of every creature:
16. For by Him were all things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
17. And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
Hebrews 1:
10. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Apparently the Word Himself have a beginning, like, in the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth.
On the other hand, we don't read that in the beginning was GOD right?
Because GOD ever existed and have no beginning nor end, compared to creation/creature.
Moreover, GOD says about HIS Son/Word/Jesus in introduction as 'MY only begotten'.
It's like my wife and i have only one kid, therefore will be also saying, 'My or our only begotten'.
Since in Heaven there's no marriage and GOD have no wife, as a result, HE creates or form.
Let's say GOD alone create/form HIS Son in HIS express image, hence calls as, My only begotten apparently, makes sense.
While later on, GOD by and through and for the Son created all other creation in Heaven and on earth.
In other words, based on all that has been created/formed called creation/creature, the Son is the 'firstborn'.
Whether, firstborn 'of' or 'over' all creation/creature, the Son is still part of them in similarity.
Colossians 1:
15. Who is the image of the invisible GOD, the firstborn of every creature:
16. For by Him were all things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
17. And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
Hebrews 1:
10. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Wrangler
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I always found it odd how people equate a person to a word. A person is a WHO. A word is a WHAT.
The Son was called the Word, He's the Word of GOD, the Mediator of GOD's Word.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
John1: 1,In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made
Basic English, Jesus made All things that were made. If Jesus made All things that were made that means he was not made.
Your argument falls apart at the beginning.
Wrangler
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amigo de christo
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For there are three in heaven the Father , the Word and the Spirit .
And yet in other places
And HE had a name written , THE WORD OF GOD .
Yeah , THE WORD IS A PERSON . ITS JESUS THE CHRIST . GOD is HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT .
if you like i bring more and more scrips from all over the bible to prove this point .
By grace some of us dont just sit under men who twist things
BY grace we have loved and read the bible for ourselves . SOmething i also HIGHLY suggest that all do for themselves
and keep doing it for themselves .
amigo de christo
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Despite the fact that some verses DO say this .
Its just some people DONT read the bible for themselves
and at most read it , what little they do , through the lens of some wild eyed deceiving teacher ,
OF WHICH i must admit there are now many .
SO the solution is .........................................ACTION , OPEN BIBLE and read and learn for yourselves
and the REACTION will be YOU WILL LEARN .
John chapter 1, witnesses the Son/Word
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the FATHER,) full of grace and truth.
And,
Hebrews 1:
3. Who being the brightness of HIS Glory, and the express image of HIS person, and upholding all things by the word of HIS power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
John 1:
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the FATHER,) full of grace and truth.
Here we read again that, 'as of the only begotten of the FATHER'.
The only person/creature came from the FATHER who created/formed Him in the beginning. (John 1:1)
While all the other creation/creature in Heaven and on earth, begotten of the Son. (Hebrews 1:10)
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
