THE CONFIRMING OF THE COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27

Davy · Apr 13, 2025

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

I wish the KJV translators had done a better job translating that above verse, particularly about that "overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" idea, which is actually about the coming Antichrist at the end of this world in Jerusalem placing the "abomination of desolation" which Lord Jesus mentioned at a new stone temple the unbelieving Jews will build at the end of this world.

The Daniel 11:31 verse gives a more accurate translation about that future "abomination of desolation"...

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Strike any... idea that that "abomination of desolation" being placed is about a literal destruction of the temple, like in 70 A.D. by the Roman army under Titus. That above "pollute the sanctuary of strength" idea is about a SPIRITUAL DESOLATION of the temple in Jerusalem by the placing of a literal IDOL abomination in false worship. The temple in Jerusalem MUST be standing for that to happen.

And immediately prior to that IDOL being placed at the future new temple, the daily sacrifice shall be taken away. That can mean only one thing; that old covenant sacrifices had started up again just prior... to the placing of that IDOL at the future temple. This is actually what that Daniel 9:27 verse is pointing to also.

That raises a question then; just what is that idea of the confirming of the covenant, and the fact that the old covenant daily sacrifices will have started up again, only to be ended once the Antichrist places that IDOL abomination at the future Jewish temple? And mind you, for sacrifices to be going on in Jerusalem by the unbelieving Jews on the Temple Mount requires... a new stone temple existing. Today there is not one, but only the Islamic Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount. Yet the Zechariah 6 prophecy about The BRANCH (Messiah), and is that He will build the temple when He comes, and the orthodox Jews know this.

Daniel 11 is where we are shown more detail about that Dan.9:27 idea of the confirming of a covenant:

This "vile person" of Daniel 11 will be the final Antichrist to come to Jerusalem for the end of this world, in the last generation that will see Christ's coming afterwards.

Dan 11:21-23
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV

There is that idea of the confirming of the covenant of Dan.9:27. Above we are shown it is about the making of a "league" when that "vile person" becomes king in Jerusalem.

Dan 11:28
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
KJV

After that "vile person" as king deals with the king of the south, he will return to Jerusalem and "be against the holy covenant". What holy covenant?? The old covenant, which required a temple and daily animal sacrifices, events that today's ultra-orthodox Jews in Jerusalem plan to re-establish at Jerusalem.

(The ultra-orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have had the cornerstone of the new 3rd temple already cut and ready for a couple of decades now. At one time they even tried to place that cornerstone on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, but the Israeli police stopped them, because the U.N. has given the Arabs control of the Temple Mount.)

Dan 11:30-31
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

That "vile person" will then return to Jerusalem, and have indignation against that "holy covenant", and will meet with those false Jewish leaders of the "synagogue of Satan" that set him up as king, as they also forsake that holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Then that "vile person" will end... those daily sacrifices at that new 3rd stone temple in Jerusalem by the Jews, and instead he will place that "abomination that maketh desolate" IDOL at that new temple, just as Antiochus did back in 165 B.C., and demand that all... bow in worship to it, or be killed.

That will be a REPEAT of what Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, did in Daniel's day with setting up a gold idol image of himself, and demanding that all bow in worship to it at the sound of the psalter, or be killed. Nebuchadnezzar's false prophets sneaked around to see if Daniel would bow to that idol and he did not, so they turned Daniel in, and that even though Neb liked Daniel. The decree to have anyone refusing to bow killed was already decreed though, so they cast Daniel into the lion's den (see Daniel 3).

The parallel to that is what we are shown for the coming "great tribulation" per the end of Revelation 13...

Rev 13:14-17
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
KJV

So there's what that confirming of that covenant actually is. It means a re-establishing of the 'old covenant' by the orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem for the end, and it will allow them to build their future 3rd stone temple in Jerusalem, and start up old covenant style worship again.

Douggg · Apr 13, 2025

Davy said:
That above "pollute the sanctuary of strength" idea is about a SPIRITUAL DESOLATION of the temple in Jerusalem by the placing of a literal IDOL abomination in false worship. The temple in Jerusalem MUST be standing for that to happen.

That's right.

Davy said:
And immediately prior to that IDOL being placed at the future new temple, the daily sacrifice shall be taken away. That can mean only one thing; that old covenant sacrifices had started up again just prior... to the placing of that IDOL at the future temple.

That's right.

The daily sacrifice was established by the Mt. Sinai covenant. The covenant to be confirmed for a 7year period will be the Mt. Sinai covenant, the cycle that Moses established in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Confirmed by who in Daniel 9:27 ? By the Antichrist, newly anointed king of Israel, perceived to be messiah.

About half way through the 7 years, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as the man of sin - and not the messiah after all, as the Jews will have initially thought him to be.

Killed for his act, then brought back alive to become the beast-king, the false prophet will have a statue image made of him - basically an idol - and placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation.

Truth7t7 · Apr 13, 2025

Davy said:
I wish the KJV translators had done a better job translating that above verse

Your now going to correct the KJV translators, educated Christian men with uncompared credentials in the Greek/Hebrew

Real Big Smiles!

Douggg · Apr 13, 2025

Davy said:
So there's what that confirming of that covenant actually is. It means a re-establishing of the 'old covenant' by the orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem for the end, and it will allow them to build their future 3rd stone temple in Jerusalem, and start up old covenant style worship again.

The confirming of the covenant will be by one specific Jew - the Antichrist.

When ? right after the Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog event. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 coincide with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

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TribulationSigns · Apr 13, 2025

Douggg said:
The confirming of the covenant will be by one specific Jew - the Antichrist.

Incorrect. The covenant was confirmed by Jesus Christ with his blood when he died on the Cross. Please read Hebrew 9 carefully.

Douggg said:
When ? right after the Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog event. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 coincide with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

Nope. I know MANY people believe that army of Gog and Magog is some Russians and/or Islamic nations will attack national Israel with physical war that will take 7 literal years to clean up the land. Sigh. Not happening. The problem is that you lack spiritual understanding (discernment) on who Gog and Magog the Lord really talked about!

Ezekiel 38/39 has everything to do with the New Testament congregation, the camp of the Saints, which is now the mountain (kingdom) of Israel, where people dwell in safety in Christ since the Cross! Selah! Not in in the Middle East as you think.

You need to read Ephesians 6:11-17 where we, Christians, put on the whole armour of God, and armed with lions girth with Truth, breastplate of righteousness, feet shod of the gospel of peace, shield of faith, helmet of salvation, and sword of the Spirit. We have been fighting spiritually ever since the Cross!

Now, look at the army of Gog and Magog, and notice what they wear with all sorts of armour, swords, spears, shields, and buckles. These are SYMBOLIC, not the imagination of dispensationalism authors who you have been deceived under. Compare Scripture with Scripture, for example:

Psa 64:3
(3) Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:

Here, their swords are like arrows of bitter words. This is what the weapons of the armies of Gog and Magog consist of; they assault the saints of the church with their "bitter words." while appearing like Christians. For example, they argue and dispute with each other, and against the gospel, and the true message of the prophets. Sounds familiar, eh?

So, exactly who are the armies of Gog and Magog? They are the false prophet and christs, including professed Christians they deceived to take a spoil and made profit of the Gospel to deceive people within the congregations who have not yet sealed by God after the salvation has ended, Revelation 7:1-4. The overflowing rain, hailstones, fire, and brimstone of Ezekiel 38:22 picture the Spirit of God and His judgment against his enemies, which are the false teachings and flawed interpretations prevalent in the church. This is what the fire from heaven upon them when they attack the camps of the Saints, Revelation 13:13 and 20:9. This is the judgment of the whore taking place... SPIRITUALLY while many many professed Christians does not realize they are being judged in the House of God (where the Elects has already departed out to avoid her plagues). Selah!

Davy · Apr 15, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
Your now going to correct the KJV translators, educated Christian men with uncompared credentials in the Greek/Hebrew

Real Big Smiles!

Wow! You just mocked all those English Bible translators that actually better clarified Bible Scriptures from Bible manuscripts in their translations where at time the KJV translators fell a bit short. And I prefer the 1611 KJV Bible over all other English translations!

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Don't pay attention to mockers like Truth7t7 who will try and use any thing he can against me because I have exposed many of his FALSE TEACHINGS. He is no better than the blind scribes and Pharisees that refused God's Word as written so they could rely on their own traditions of men they created.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

The KJV translation on that future event isn't clear enough above that the "overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" is actually about the Daniel 11:31 event which Jesus quoted in His Olivet discourse about the 'end' of this world with the future "abomination of desolation" idol being setup at the "holy place" in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15).

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

The Douay-Rheims Bible version is a translation from the Latin Vulgate by members of the English College, Douai. Its New Testament was published in Reims, France in 1582. That translation is a little better, because at least it stays with the English translation of Matthew 24:15 with Jesus calling it the "abomination of desolation", which the KJV also has.

Dan 9:27
27 And he will make a strong covenant with the many for one week, but in half of the week he will let cease sacrifice and offering and in its place a desolating abomination comes even until the determined complete destruction is poured out on the desolator."
(from The Lexham English Bible, Fourth Edition <NL><NL>Copyright © 2010, 2012 Logos Bible Software.)

That Lexham Bible version, at least it does give the idea of a "desolating abomination" being setup. But it could have been more clear when translated to English also.

Dan 9:27
27 "'Then for one seven, he will forge many and strong alliances, but halfway through the seven he will banish worship and prayers. At the place of worship, a desecrating obscenity will be set up and remain until finally the desecrator himself is decisively destroyed.'"
(from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)

Even that above THE MESSAGE Bible version is more clear about that future abomination than the KJV translation is. But still, it is not declaring that it is an actual IDOL that will be placed that will cause the spiritual desolation of the temple.

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

That New Living Translation Bible version is actually one of the best... English translations of that "abomination of desolation" idol idea of Daniel 11:31 and Matthew 24:15. It's a better translation of that point than the KJV and other English translations, as I have shown.

So don't listen to the poor Biblically illiterate mockers that are jealous of those like myself that have done my homework in God's written Word, taking the time to also look at how other English Bible translations brought forth a Scripture from the Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic languages of The Bible.

Davy · Apr 15, 2025

Douggg said:
The confirming of the covenant will be by one specific Jew - the Antichrist.

You are not staying with the written Daniel 11 Scripture about that:

These following verses reveal there will be other Jews in on the deal, and actually will be the ones who will set the Antichrist up as king at Jerusalem...

Dan 11:23
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV

That idea of "a small people" means a small group, like an inner circle.

Who do you think that might represent? Well who were those that were against Christ, and wanted Jesus crucified? The FALSE JEWS of the "synagogue of Satan", those who CLAIM to be Jews, but are not. It means the crept in unawares of Jude 4, like the Canaanites and those of Esau that became Jews, i.e., religious converts to Judaism.

Dan 11:30
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
KJV

Again, just who might those be he will ally with, that forsake the holy covenant? The false Jews.

Douggg said:
When ? right after the Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog event. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 coincide with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

I don't know who in the world you are listening to about that future Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38 & 39, but that is about the battle of Armageddon on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming, the last day of this present world. It is not... the Gog event at the end of Rev.20 either, for the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38 & 39 gives us the names of the nations that will actually come up against Israel on the last day of this world. The Gog event of Revelation 20 does not. It instead shows 'undefined' nations coming up against the "camp of the saints".

The prophetic parameters are different between the two Gog events, so I don't know why in the world some choose to listen to the Biblical illiterate on that, because they show they can't even distinguish the parameters of a written Bible prophecy.

dismas · Apr 15, 2025

Davy said:
I wish the KJV translators had done a better job translating that above verse, particularly about that "overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" idea, which is actually about the coming Antichrist at the end of this world in Jerusalem placing the "abomination of desolation" which Lord Jesus mentioned at a new stone temple the unbelieving Jews will build at the end of this world.

Daniel 11's despicable person is not the prince of the covenant.

Dan 11's despicable person is the Daniel 8 Little Horn.

The person who confirms the Dan 9:27 covenant is the Daniel 10 & 12 'man dressed in linen' who swears an oath (which is the same as confirming a covenant). The prince of the covenant in Dan 11:22 is the Dan 9:26 anointed one who is cut off.

The Daniel 8 Little Horn is attacking Israel (the king of the South). He attacks 2 times, the second time is when his forces place the abomination of Dan 9:26.

The 'war' of Dan 9:26 is the war taking place at Dan 11:40-41.

Dan 11:21 In his place a despicable person will arise; royal honors will not be given to him, but he will come in a time of peace and seize the kingdom by intrigue. 22 Then a flood of forces will be swept away before him and destroyed, along with a prince of the covenant.

26And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

23After an alliance is made with him, he will act deceitfully; for he will rise to power with only a few people. 24In a time of peace, he will invade the richest provinces and do what his fathers and forefathers never did. He will lavish plunder, loot, and wealth on his followers, and he will plot against the strongholds—but only for a time.

25And with a large army he will stir up his power and his courage against the king of the South, who will mobilize a very large and powerful army but will not withstand the plots devised against him. 26Those who eat from his provisions will seek to destroy him; his army will be swept away, and many will fall slain.

27And the two kings, with their hearts bent on evil, will speak lies at the same table, but to no avail, for still the end will come at the appointed time. 28The king of the North will return to his land with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant; so he will do damage and return to his own land.

29At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time will not be like the first. 30Ships of Kittim will come against him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and rage against the holy covenant and do damage. So he will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.

Dan 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood,

and to the end there shall be war.

Dan 11:40 At the time of the end, the king of the South will engage him in battle, but the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots, horsemen, and many ships, invading many countries and sweeping through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land, and many countries will fall. But these will be delivered from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the leaders of the Ammonites.

Dan 9:26 Desolations are decreed.

Dan 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

Dan 12:6 One of them said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long until the fulfillment of these wonders?”

7And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”

The man in linen is the confirmer of the Dan 9:27 covenant. He is the mighty angel of Revelation 10, the Rev 12 'dragon', Lucifer of Isaiah 14, and is the Daniel 7 Little Horn. His swearing of an oath to heaven is the confirming of the covenant.

Deut 4:13 For the LORD your God is a merciful God. He will not leave you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers that he swore to them.
Deut 4:31 For the LORD your God is a merciful God; He will not abandon you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers, which He swore to them by oath.
Genesis 26:28 “We can plainly see that the LORD has been with you,” they replied. “We recommend that there should now be an oath between us and you. Let us make a covenant with you.
Psalm 105:8 He remembers His covenant forever, the word He ordained for a thousand generations— 9 the covenant He made with Abraham, and the oath He swore to Isaac. 10 He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant: 11 “I will give you the land of Canaan as the portion of your inheritance.”
Psalm 132:11 The LORD swore an oath to David, a promise He will not revoke: “One of your descendants I will place on your throne. 12 If your sons keep My covenant and the testimony I will teach them, then their sons will also sit on your throne forever and ever.”
Hosea 10:4 They speak mere words; with false oaths they make covenants. So judgment springs up like poisonous weeds in the furrows of a field.
Deut 8:18 You shall remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth, that he may confirm his covenant that he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

It is the 'dragon' (Lucifer)/ Dan 7 Little Horn that breaks the covenant at the 7th Trumpet and ushers in the return of the Beast from the Sea (which is the Dan 8 Little Horn) (Dan 7:11-12).

The 'time, times, half time' of Dan 12:7 is the same time as the 2 witnesses 1260 days right before the 7th Trumpet (which is to say the 1st half of the Dan 9:27 covenant.

Spiritual Israelite · Apr 15, 2025

Davy said:
Wow! You just mocked all those English Bible translators that actually better clarified Bible Scriptures from Bible manuscripts in their translations where at time the KJV translators fell a bit short. And I prefer the 1611 KJV Bible over all other English translations!

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Don't pay attention to mockers like Truth7t7 who will try and use any thing he can against me because I have exposed many of his FALSE TEACHINGS. He is no better than the blind scribes and Pharisees that refused God's Word as written so they could rely on their own traditions of men they created.

He's no better than the blind scribes and Pharisees who rejected Jesus and that Jesus said were going to hell?

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

So, you think that Truth7t7 rejects Jesus like the Pharisees and scribes did? You're completely off the rails with your hate and rage against those who merely disagree with your end times doctrine. You need to repent of this wickedness.

Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

covenantee · Apr 15, 2025

Davy said:
Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

I wish the KJV translators had done a better job translating that above verse, particularly about that "overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" idea, which is actually about the coming Antichrist at the end of this world in Jerusalem placing the "abomination of desolation" which Lord Jesus mentioned at a new stone temple the unbelieving Jews will build at the end of this world.

There is not the slightest issue with the job done by the KJV translators, whose exemplary efforts and results have taught, blessed, and inspired innumerable saints over the centuries.

They are in contrast to the risible abominable job done by deluded dispensational modernist mythologizers, who conjure an hallucinogenic antichrist apparition entirely absent from the inspired text.

Immeasurably worse, they blasphemously attempt to contort Christ, the Covenant Confirmer, into their psychotic hallucination.

They fail upon being challenged by a most elementary question which must be answered when beginning to exegete the passage:

What is the Hebrew/Aramaic word for "antichrist"?

Davy · Wednesday at 7:05 AM

dismas said:
Daniel 11's despicable person is not the prince of the covenant.

Yeah, I know that, since Daniel 11:22 says the prince of the covenant shall be 'broken' by the "vile person".

dismas said:
Dan 11's despicable person is the Daniel 8 Little Horn.

I agree with that also. The "little horn" in the Book of Daniel also represents the "beast" king of Revelation 17, to which the "ten horns" as "ten kings" will give their power to, and will rule "one hour" with that beast king, at the end of this world.

dismas said:
The person who confirms the Dan 9:27 covenant is the Daniel 10 & 12 'man dressed in linen' who swears an oath (which is the same as confirming a covenant). The prince of the covenant in Dan 11:22 is the Dan 9:26 anointed one who is cut off.

NOPE! With that I definitely DO NOT agree.

The one mentioned in Daniel 9:26 that is cut off is MESSIAH, Jesus Christ. And it is giving us the time period when, "after threescore and two weeks" (62 weeks). Then we are to go back to verse 25 and note the FULL time with that, with the "seven weeks" that were before added to that 62 weeks, and we come to 69 weeks completed when MESSIAH would be 'cut off'.

That leaves the final 70th week unfulfilled. And that is what the Daniel 9:27 verse is about, and hast NOTHING to do with Lord Jesus Christ's 1st coming.

So I am not going to go down the sewer road of SDA's false theory that Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the 70th week, obviously an idea created by false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that have crept in.

Spiritual Israelite · Wednesday at 9:43 AM

Davy said:
NOPE! With that I definitely DO NOT agree.

The one mentioned in Daniel 9:26 that is cut off is MESSIAH, Jesus Christ. And it is giving us the time period when, "after threescore and two weeks" (62 weeks). Then we are to go back to verse 25 and note the FULL time with that, with the "seven weeks" that were before added to that 62 weeks, and we come to 69 weeks completed when MESSIAH would be 'cut off'.

That leaves the final 70th week unfulfilled. And that is what the Daniel 9:27 verse is about, and hast NOTHING to do with Lord Jesus Christ's 1st coming.

You are being dishonest about what the scripture says. It does not say that the Messiah is cut off at the end of the 69th week. It says He is cut off some time AFTER the 69th week, which places His death within the 70th week. You will need to answer to God some day for why you chose to deceptively alter His holy word to fit your false doctrine.

covenantee · Wednesday at 11:16 AM

Davy said:
So I am not going to go down the sewer road of SDA's false theory that Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the 70th week, obviously an idea created by false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that have crept in.

You're already in the sewer.

John Calvin, who pre-dated SDA by 300 years, on Daniel 9:27:

"The angel now continues his discourse concerning Christ by saying, he should confirm the treaty with many for one week This clause answers to the former, in which Christ is called a Leader. Christ took upon him the character of a leader, or assumed the kingly office, when he promulgated the grace of God. This is the confirmation of the covenant of which the angel now speaks."

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. John Calvin

Need a hint?

Davy · Wednesday at 1:28 PM

covenantee said:
Whom to believe?

1. You
2. John Calvin

Need a hint?

Definitely not Calvin, who couldn't even understand the difference between Christ saying many are called, but few are chosen. He was a radical.

Davy · Wednesday at 1:39 PM

Spiritual Israelite said:
You are being dishonest about what the scripture says. It does not say that the Messiah is cut off at the end of the 69th week. It says He is cut off some time AFTER the 69th week, which places His death within the 70th week. You will need to answer to God some day for why you chose to deceptively alter His holy word to fit your false doctrine.

No, I'm not being dishonest about that Daniel 9:27 Scripture.

The problem is those who believe that is about Jesus Christ having done that during His Ministry are brainwashed by Cults like SDA, as they are one of the main ones that teach that stupid lie.

The 'acts' of Daniel 9:27 are of the DEVIL, not Christ. And anyone with just a little... common sense when reading ought to easily realize that, simply because Lord Jesus WARNED about the coming false-Christ placing that "abomination of desolation" that Daniel 9:27 verse is talking about!

Jesus speaking...

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
KJV

Who in their right mind would ever think that Lord Jesus is Who placed that "abomination of desolation" idol of Daniel 9:27 when He WARNED His Church about it for the END of this world with the coming time of "great tribulation"??

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."

(Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.)

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

Keraz · Wednesday at 3:31 PM

Spiritual Israelite said:
You are being dishonest about what the scripture says. It does not say that the Messiah is cut off at the end of the 69th week. It says He is cut off some time AFTER the 69th week, which places His death within the 70th week. You will need to answer to God some day for why you chose to deceptively alter His holy word to fit your false doctrine.

Calling people 'dishonest', for contradicting your beliefs, is not acceptable.
Especially when your belief is wrong!

The Bible says: After the sixty two, [plus 7] weeks have passed.......
What happened at that point; was the Crucifixion. NOT -some time after, but right then.
THEN; it was some time after, that the Temple was destroyed

It is the idea the Crucifixion was during the 70th 'week', later, or halfway into; is wrong and deceptive. Proved by how that 7 year period will be fulfilled just before Jesus Returns, As Prophesied many times in Revelation.

Spiritual Israelite · Wednesday at 3:39 PM

Davy said:
No, I'm not being dishonest about that Daniel 9:27 Scripture.

Your reading comprehension skills have failed you yet again. I was not talking about Daniel 9:27. You were talking about when the Messiah is cut off in relation to the first 69 weeks and saying He was cut off at the end of the 69th week. No, it says He would be cut off AFTER the end of the 69th week. That places His death within the 70th week.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Davy said:
The problem is those who believe that is about Jesus Christ having done that during His Ministry are brainwashed by Cults like SDA, as they are one of the main ones that teach that stupid lie.

The only difference between you and them is that you brainwash yourself.

Spiritual Israelite · Wednesday at 3:42 PM

Keraz said:
Calling people 'dishonest', for contradicting your beliefs, is not acceptable.

I could not care less what you find to be acceptable. You too are dishonest in the way you treat that same verse.

Keraz said:
Especially when your belief is wrong!

It's not and you most certainly do NOTHING to prove otherwise.

Keraz said:
The Bible says: After the sixty two, [plus 7] weeks have passed.......
What happened at that point; was the Crucifixion. NOT -some time after, but right then.

NONSENSE! This is as dishonest as it gets. You are trying to change the meaning of the word "after". It does NOT mean "at the end of". It refers to something happening some time after another thing ends. In this case, it refers to Jesus being cut off some time after the 69th week ends.

Keraz said:
THEN; it was some time after, that the Temple was destroyed

It is the idea the Crucifixion was during the 70th 'week', later, or halfway into; is wrong and deceptive. Proved by how that 7 year period will be fulfilled just before Jesus Returns, As Prophesied many times in Revelation.

You are being deceptive by trying to change the meaning of the word "after".

covenantee · Wednesday at 4:35 PM

Davy said:
Definitely not Calvin, who couldn't even understand the difference between Christ saying many are called, but few are chosen. He was a radical.

Your contortion of Christ into antichrist redefines the meaning of radical.

TribulationSigns · Wednesday at 4:45 PM

Spiritual Israelite said:
NONSENSE! This is as dishonest as it gets. You are trying to change the meaning of the word "after". It does NOT mean "at the end of". It refers to something happening some time after another thing ends. In this case, it refers to Jesus being cut off some time after the 69th week ends.

You are being deceptive by trying to change the meaning of the word "after".

Everyone...

Luk 22:19-20
(19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
(20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

At the last supper, Christ made a new covenant (testament) with us, the church. The testament means covenant, so the Lord was talking about a new covenant here.

Heb 9:14-17
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Although his disciples ate the bread and drank from the cup of the new covenant at the Last Supper, the covenant was not officially in effect at that time. Christ first had to go to the cross and shed His blood to confirm it.

Dan 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

After 62 weeks, Messiah the Prince went to the Cross to be cut off, so His blood could be shed to confirm a new covenant. Therefore, the 62 weeks ended, and the 70th week began on the same day.

THE CONFIRMING OF THE COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27

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