Babylon

covenantee · Sunday at 10:59 AM

Jerry Huerta said:
Josheph Mede was a historicist and Premillennialist. Obviously, you aren’t bright enough to know historical premillennialism predated dispensationalism and that’s what the Wiki cite relates to the wise.

Here is the profile of Joseph Mede. Copy/paste the excerpt referring to him as a Reformer. Display it in bold, red, italics so we'll be sure not to miss it.

Your faux historicism is not historical premil. It's a vile admixture of your own private personal cultism and modernist dispensational futurism, a diametric departure from true historic orthodox Christianity.

Paul described it in Galatians 1:8-9.

Spiritual Israelite · Sunday at 11:38 AM

Jerry Huerta said:
Actually, I’ve expressed that Christ is not reigning now several times; it’s your comprehension that’s shot.

So, you're saying that you've shared your Satanic belief that Christ is not reigning now several times. Who is your king then since you don't believe Jesus is your King?

Jerry Huerta said:
The term “transferred” in Colossians 1:13 is in the prophetic aorist or formed proleptically. If you had done proper research, you wouldn’t be finding your guilty of eisegesis. Prolepses are common in scripture, or expressions of a future act or development as if presently existing or accomplished. Of course, this is so because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God,

LOL. What a bunch of nonsense. To say that we haven't been translated into the kingdom of Christ is no different than saying we haven't been delivered from the power of darkness. Is that what you claim as well?

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Jesus said that His kingdom did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). He reigns over the kingdom of God which "is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Romans 14:17). Do you deny being in the kingdom spiritually right now? Are you not experiencing "righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" right now?

Jerry Huerta said:
We know Paul is not saying that we are “removed away” from this world and planted in the kingdom of Christ in a literal sense in Colossians, because flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom of God, but that we must first put on immortality.

Again, you have mortals in heaven without them first putting on immortality.

You have no discernment whatsoever. You are not differentiating between the body, soul and spirit. You are not differentiating between the spiritual kingdom of God that we're in now that "is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" and the kingdom of God that we will inherit bodily in its fullness when Jesus comes again.

Jerry Huerta said:
Furthermore, in John 3:13 Christ confirms no one has ascended to heaven except himself. Yet, you ignorantly promote Moses and Elijah were alive to talk with Christ at his first advent. Are we to believe Moses and Elijah were disembodied ghosts roaming earth and waiting to put on their immortal bodies when Christ returns. How absurd. Remember the living know that they must die but the dead no nothing.

The wise interpret the transfiguration as a vision of what is to come when Christ returns, insomuch as it agrees with the Old and New Testaments.

Again, I’m laughing at your ad hoc explanation that we put on immortality in two events. Point is, you have mortals in heaven, insomuch as Paul affirmed one event in which we put on immortality, and that’s at Christ return.

I'm laughing at everything you're saying because it reveals your ignorance and lack of spiritual discernment.

Davy · Sunday at 11:39 AM

Jerry Huerta said:
Of course, the eighth head rises out of the abyss and is one of the five that were, but are not, at the time of the sixth king. That means it's not the seventh that rises, but one of the five that had fallen. It's one of the five that had fallen that rises from the abyss.

How was Satan before Domitian? You still haven't answer that. Satan was before Abraham. Such nonsense!

That's confusion. How can one that ascends out of the bottomless pit be some flesh king? Switch your brain mode off of your flesh, and to The Holy Spirit. NO... flesh man ascends out of the bottomless pit.

That bottomless pit is simply another name for HELL, or HADES, Satan's ABODE in the Heavenly dimension. That Heavenly dimension is one of Spirit, not of flesh. The flesh cannot go there.

You're just another brother that hasn't yet understood the difference between this 'earthly' dimension, and the heavenly dimension, and how they are different. Satan was never born in the flesh, nor will he ever be born in the flesh. When he appears on earth in our near future at Jerusalem, he will look just like flesh man, because the image of man originates from God's Own Image Likeness in the Heavenly (Genesis 1:26-27). Yet Satan will still be in his spirit body here on earth, just as all angels that have appeared on earth have been in their spirit body while appearing on earth to flesh men.

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 11:40 AM

covenantee said:
Here is the profile of Joseph Mede. Copy/paste the excerpt referring to him as a Reformer. Display it in bold, red, italics so we'll be sure not to miss it.

Your faux historicism is not historical premil. It's a vile admixture of your own private personal cultism and modernist dispensational futurism, a diametric departure from true historic orthodox Christianity.

Paul described it in Galatians 1:8-9.

Here's what the Wiki article said:

Premillennialism experienced a revival among 17th century Puritans like Thomas Brightman, Joseph Mede...

What don't you get?

How can Mede not be a premillennialist and lead a revival of Premillennialism in his work? :csm

Here's what a scholar wrote about Mede,

Joseph Mede's conversion to millenarianism was a result of his initial rigorous study of the Apocalypse which produced the chronological sequence for the various visions, as well as interpreting consistently the specific visions and other prophetic passages accordingly. Jeffrey K. Jue, Heaven Upon Earth: Joseph Mede (1586-1638) and the Legacy of Millenarianism, Springer 2006, 109.

Spiritual Israelite · Sunday at 11:42 AM

covenantee said:
Here is the profile of Joseph Mede. Copy/paste the excerpt referring to him as a Reformer. Display it in bold, red, italics so we'll be sure not to miss it.

Your faux historicism is not historical premil. It's a vile admixture of your own private personal cultism and modernist dispensational futurism, a diametric departure from true historic orthodox Christianity.

Paul described it in Galatians 1:8-9.

Exactly. No historicists from the past 2,000 years shared his historic cultist view that denies the current kingship of Christ and denies that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive right now despite the fact that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Davy · Sunday at 11:44 AM

Truth7t7 said:
Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

Anyone listening to that junk will fall in a ditch, it goes so far away... from the actual written Bible Scripture.

Davy · Sunday at 12:01 PM

Jerry Huerta said:
Again, for the challenged, each one of the fallen kings WAS AND IS NOT,

Nope! Read that Rev.17:10 verse again, and compare it to the Rev.17:8 verse.

Per verse 10, it says NOTHING about all those kings as being 'was', and is not, and yet will ascend out of the bottomless pit. What you are now trying... to do is to RE-WRITE The Word of God to fit your silly "challenged" theories.

Your false pride is getting the best of you!

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

HOW MANY beasts is that about above? ONE, a specific beast king that "was, and is not", BUT THAT WILL ascend out of the bottomless pit. That is all about that same SINGLE BEAST KING. You have to KEEP all that part in 'red' above together, because it is about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit!

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

The above in red is the SAME idea, it is speaking of that same single beast king of the 8th verse, the one that ascends out of the bottomless pit! And that phrase "and goeth into perdition" about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit is written there to MAKE SURE we understand ONLY that single Rev.17:8 beast king is the subject of that Rev.17:11 verse.

And further, the Revelation 17:7 verse is where the angel began mention of all this in relation to symbolic "woman" and "the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."

So both the following verses go together about that single beast king that will ascend out of the bottomless pit...

Rev 17:7-8
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

I gotta' assume English is not your primary language because of the errors you are making in Revelation 17.

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 12:38 PM

Spiritual Israelite said:
So, you're saying that you've shared your Satanic belief that Christ is not reigning now several times. Who is your king then since you don't believe Jesus is your King?

LOL. What a bunch of nonsense. To say that we haven't been translated into the kingdom of Christ is no different than saying we haven't been delivered from the power of darkness. Is that what you claim as well?

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Jesus said that His kingdom did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). He reigns over the kingdom of God which "is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Romans 14:17). Do you deny being in the kingdom spiritually right now? Are you not experiencing "righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" right now?

You have no discernment whatsoever. You are not differentiating between the body, soul and spirit. You are not differentiating between the spiritual kingdom of God that we're in now that "is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" and the kingdom of God that we will inherit bodily in its fullness when Jesus comes again.

I'm laughing at everything you're saying because it reveals your ignorance and lack of spiritual discernment.

What’s satanic is the attempt to gaslight believers that Christ has all things under his subjection, when the scriptures say he doesn’t (Hebrews 2:8).

How typical, side-stepping that the passage is in the prophetic aorist sense and that flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom of God, which exposes your interpretations as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13).

Now it’s time to expose the nakedness of your body, soul and spirit trichotomy. The scriptures support the living soul as a dichotomy,

Genesis 2
7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

The living soul is comprised of the dust from the ground and the breath of life from God. In death the dust returns to the earth and the breath of life returns to God,

Ecclesiastes 12
7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

So, the LIVING soul is comprised of the dust of the ground and the breath of life, which is a dichotomy not a trichotomy. The soul dies, ceasing to have any part in life, when the breath of life returns to God.

Again, I’m laughing at your ad hoc explanation that we put on immortality in two events. Point is, you have mortals in heaven, insomuch as Paul affirmed one event in which we put on immortality, and that’s at Christ return. :csm

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 12:39 PM

Davy said:
That's confusion. How can one that ascends out of the bottomless pit be some flesh king? Switch your brain mode off of your flesh, and to The Holy Spirit. NO... flesh man ascends out of the bottomless pit.

That bottomless pit is simply another name for HELL, or HADES, Satan's ABODE in the Heavenly dimension. That Heavenly dimension is one of Spirit, not of flesh. The flesh cannot go there.

You're just another brother that hasn't yet understood the difference between this 'earthly' dimension, and the heavenly dimension, and how they are different. Satan was never born in the flesh, nor will he ever be born in the flesh. When he appears on earth in our near future at Jerusalem, he will look just like flesh man, because the image of man originates from God's Own Image Likeness in the Heavenly (Genesis 1:26-27). Yet Satan will still be in his spirit body here on earth, just as all angels that have appeared on earth have been in their spirit body while appearing on earth to flesh men.

Davy said:
Nope! Read that Rev.17:10 verse again, and compare it to the Rev.17:8 verse.

Per verse 10, it says NOTHING about all those kings as being 'was', and is not, and yet will ascend out of the bottomless pit. What you are now trying... to do is to RE-WRITE The Word of God to fit your silly "challenged" theories.

Your false pride is getting the best of you!

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

HOW MANY beasts is that about above? ONE, a specific beast king that "was, and is not", BUT THAT WILL ascend out of the bottomless pit. That is all about that same SINGLE BEAST KING. You have to KEEP all that part in 'red' above together, because it is about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit!

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

The above in red is the SAME idea, it is speaking of that same single beast king of the 8th verse, the one that ascends out of the bottomless pit! And that phrase "and goeth into perdition" about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit is written there to MAKE SURE we understand ONLY that single Rev.17:8 beast king is the subject of that Rev.17:11 verse.

And further, the Revelation 17:7 verse is where the angel began mention of all this in relation to symbolic "woman" and "the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."

So both the following verses go together about that single beast king that will ascend out of the bottomless pit...

Rev 17:7-8
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

I gotta' assume English is not your primary language because of the errors you are making in Revelation 17.

Come on, you suggested that the kings that had fallen were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece. All of a sudden, according to the dogma of futurism, the last king becomes an individual man, poof, by magic and dogma. But proper exegesis is consistent and rational, which maintains each of the five kings WAS, AND IS NOT in the same sense the eighth king WAS AND IS NOT; they were kingdoms that had fallen, just like the scarlet beast, which rises to become the eighth.

As for the abyss, it’s apocalyptic language that is not to be taken literally. Satan isn’t a dragon, but is symbolized as a dragon. Just like the abyss is not a literal abyss, but a symbol of the circumstances that the beast is fallen, out of power, but reserved by God to rise and regain its power when Christ returns.

Insomuch as you hold the sixth king as the “Roman emperor Domitian,” how does the antichrist reign before Domitian? You still refuse to answer that.

And it can’t be Satan because it wouldn’t be helpful in solving the riddle because he WAS before all the kings.

Davy · Sunday at 12:46 PM

Jerry Huerta said:
Come on, you suggested that the kings that had fallen were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece. All of a sudden, according to the dogma of futurism, the last king becomes an individual man, poof, by magic and dogma. But proper exegesis is consistent and rational, which maintains each of the five kings WAS, AND IS NOT in the same sense the eighth king WAS AND IS NOT; they were kingdoms that had fallen, just like the scarlet beast, which rises to become the eighth.

That's about the Rev.17:10 verse. I referenced ONLY the Rev.17:7, 8, and 11th verses. Can't you stay focused??

The Rev.17:10 verse changes the subject, pointing back to history.
The Rev.17:7-8 and 11 verses are about the END of this world, when that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit shows up in Jerusalem. Didn't you read all those 'specific' verses I posted to you about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit??

WHY... are you still... rejecting that subject about that beast king that ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND WILL GO INTO PERDITION???

Surely you're not a Satan worshiper, are you? If not, then why won't you ADDRESS those Revelation verses I showed you about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit??

Davy · Sunday at 12:50 PM

For Brethren in Christ that have 'eyes to see, and ears to hear':

Folks like Jerry above, bless his heart, but... it is obvious that God has spiritually 'blinded' him away from any idea that the coming false one will be Satan, the devil himself, ascending out of that bottomless pit to future Jerusalem, and he will kill God's "two witnesses" there at the very end, just prior to Christ's future coming.

Many folks have been spiritually blinded by God Himself about this matter, for it is not yet time for them to understand it, most likely not until after Satan as the coming false-Messiah shows up in Jerusalem at the end, playing our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yet some of us in Christ Jesus are... to know about this matter, and understand the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem will be Satan himself, in our earthly dimension, in plain sight, with the image of man, working those great signs and wonders and miracles that Lord Jesus pointed in His Olivet discourse that false-Messiah will do, and fool the whole world, except Christ's elect.

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 12:53 PM

Davy said:
That's about the Rev.17:10 verse. I referenced ONLY the Rev.17:7, 8, and 11th verses. Can't you stay focused??

The Rev.17:10 verse changes the subject, pointing back to history.
The Rev.17:7-8 and 11 verses are about the END of this world, when that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit shows up in Jerusalem. Didn't you read all those 'specific' verses I posted to you about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit??

WHY... are you still... rejecting that subject about that beast king that ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND WILL GO INTO PERDITION???

Surely you're not a Satan worshiper, are you? If not, then why won't you ADDRESS those Revelation verses I showed you about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit??

No, you can’t maintain context. The events are about what John sees concerning the time of the sixth king and the judgment of the harlot Babylon. He is not moving from that perspective. He looks back to the five fallen kings and looks forward when one of them rises to war with Christ at his return.

I’ve said several time the scarlet beast ascends out of the abyss, but you refuse to answer, insomuch as you hold the sixth king as the “Roman emperor Domitian,” how does the antichrist reign before Domitian? You still refuse to answer that.

And it can’t be Satan because it wouldn’t be helpful in solving the riddle because he WAS before all the kings.

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 12:55 PM

Davy said:
That's about the Rev.17:10 verse. I referenced ONLY the Rev.17:7, 8, and 11th verses. Can't you stay focused??

The Rev.17:10 verse changes the subject, pointing back to history.
The Rev.17:7-8 and 11 verses are about the END of this world, when that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit shows up in Jerusalem. Didn't you read all those 'specific' verses I posted to you about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit??

WHY... are you still... rejecting that subject about that beast king that ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND WILL GO INTO PERDITION???

Surely you're not a Satan worshiper, are you? If not, then why won't you ADDRESS those Revelation verses I showed you about that beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit??

How silly. Answer the challenges and spare me the ad hominems.

Spiritual Israelite · Sunday at 12:56 PM

Jerry Huerta said:
What’s satanic is the attempt to gaslight believers that Christ has all things under his subjection, when the scriptures say he doesn’t (Hebrews 2:8).

Are you willing to reason with me here or would you rather just continue to be a child? If you have interest in behaving like an adult, then let's look at Hebrews 2:8 and discuss it like adults.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Context is very important. Is this verse saying that Christ does not now have all things under his subjection? Well, clearly not. It explicitly says "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet" and "he put all in subjection under him" and "left nothing that is not put under him". Did you read that part or did you just read the last sentence?

So, how do we reconcile it saying "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet" with it also saying "But now we see not yet all things put under him"? Very easily. What that means is that all current things are in subjection under his feet. But, there are more things to come that don't exist yet. Once they come into existence they too will be under His feet until He comes again to defeat the last enemy, death, and then all things that ever will be under His feet will be under His feet.

Paul also taught that all current things are under His feet here:

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Do you deny that all current things including "all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named...in this world" are under His feet, as Paul said here? Denying that would be like denying that He is not "the head over all things to the church".

covenantee · Sunday at 1:00 PM

Jerry Huerta said:
Here's what the Wiki article said:

Premillennialism experienced a revival among 17th century Puritans like Thomas Brightman, Joseph Mede...

What don't you get?

How can Mede not be a premillennialist and lead a revival of Premillennialism in his work?

Here's what a scholar wrote about Mede,

Joseph Mede's conversion to millenarianism was a result of his initial rigorous study of the Apocalypse which produced the chronological sequence for the various visions, as well as interpreting consistently the specific visions and other prophetic passages accordingly. Jeffrey K. Jue, Heaven Upon Earth: Joseph Mede (1586-1638) and the Legacy of Millenarianism, Springer 2006, 109.

You don't get it. Just leave it for those who do.

Spiritual Israelite · Sunday at 1:06 PM

Jerry Huerta said:
What’s satanic is the attempt to gaslight believers that Christ has all things under his subjection, when the scriptures say he doesn’t (Hebrews 2:8).

Do you believe that Jesus is your King right now or not?

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 1:10 PM

Spiritual Israelite said:
Are you willing to reason with me here or would you rather just continue to be a child? If you have interest in behaving like an adult, then let's look at Hebrews 2:8 and discuss it like adults.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Context is very important. Is this verse saying that Christ does not now have all things under his subjection? Well, clearly not. It explicitly says "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet" and "he put all in subjection under him" and "left nothing that is not put under him". Did you read that part or did you just read the last sentence?

So, how do we reconcile it saying "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet" with it also saying "But now we see not yet all things put under him"? Very easily. What that means is that all current things are in subjection under his feet. But, there are more things to come that don't exist yet. Once they come into existence they too will be under His feet until He comes again to defeat the last enemy, death, and then all things that ever will be under His feet will be under His feet.

Paul also taught that all current things are under His feet here:

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Do you deny that all current things including "all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named...in this world" are under His feet, as Paul said here? Denying that would be like denying that He is not "the head over all things to the church".

In addressing your petulance, the resolution is in the example of David. He was anointed as “king” of Israel, but did not reign until Saul died some 20 years later. Christ ascended to receive the kingship as in Luke 19:12, but doesn’t reign until he returns and rewards the overcomers with rule, power and authority as in Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which exposes amill and postmill as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13). Consequently, he doesn't return to end rule, power and authority, but establish it, and not the eternal state.

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 1:12 PM

covenantee said:
You don't get it. Just leave it for those who do.

As I said, here's what the Wiki article said:

Premillennialism experienced a revival among 17th century Puritans like Thomas Brightman, Joseph Mede...

What don't you get?

How can Mede not be a premillennialist and lead a revival of Premillennialism in his work? :csm

Here's what a scholar wrote about Mede,

Joseph Mede's conversion to millenarianism was a result of his initial rigorous study of the Apocalypse which produced the chronological sequence for the various visions, as well as interpreting consistently the specific visions and other prophetic passages accordingly. Jeffrey K. Jue, Heaven Upon Earth: Joseph Mede (1586-1638) and the Legacy of Millenarianism, Springer 2006, 109.

Jerry Huerta · Sunday at 1:15 PM

Spiritual Israelite said:
Do you believe that Jesus is your King right now or not?

I do believe I've answered this, even if your petulance won't allow you to see it.

Spiritual Israelite · Sunday at 1:24 PM

Jerry Huerta said:
I do believe I've answered this, even if your petulance won't allow you to see it.

Typical childish response from you. What do you have to hide here? I don't recall seeing your answer, so just answer it one more time then. Do you believe that Jesus is your King right now?

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