The Third (Ezekiel's) Temple of Israel, Project 1534

Keraz · Apr 9, 2025

Heart2Soul said:
I don't believe God called Israel His chosen people because He favors them over others. The scripture says God is no respecter of persons. We are all equal in His eyes. What God is referring to as a chosen people is that He chose this tribe to be the lineage which Jesus would come from.

And what did Judah do? They rejected and killed Him.
Now they still refuse Jesus and Luke 19:29 will be their fate.

The idea of a Jewish redemption is held by those deceived and confused people who imagine the Lord is going to rapture them to heaven, so they avoid any trials and testing. This actually makes them as Hebrews 12:7-8; describes.
Over 20 Prophesies tell us of the virtual demise of Jewish Israel and only a remnant will survive.

Heart2Soul · Apr 10, 2025

Keraz said:
And what did Judah do? They rejected and killed Him.
Now they still refuse Jesus and Luke 19:29 will be their fate.

The idea of a Jewish redemption is held by those deceived and confused people who imagine the Lord is going to rapture them to heaven, so they avoid any trials and testing. This actually makes them as Hebrews 12:7-8; describes.
Over 20 Prophesies tell us of the virtual demise of Jewish Israel and only a remnant will survive.

And prophesy also points to their salvation. Jesus even said salvation is of the Jews. I fully understand why...it is because God made a Covenant with Noah after the flood, with Abraham to make him a father of many nations and they will bless the world, with Moses and His 10 Commandments, with David to make his line a King over Israel forever, and the New Covenant with Jesus as our Messiah as the everlasting Covenant. There are more in the Old Testament and so the reason the Jews will be saved is because of God's promise...His Covenant to them. And scripture refers to Israel as the bride of Christ.

Keraz · Apr 10, 2025

Heart2Soul said:
And prophesy also points to their salvation. Jesus even said salvation is of the Jews. I fully understand why...it is because God made a Covenant with Noah after the flood, with Abraham to make him a father of many nations and they will bless the world, with Moses and His 10 Commandments, with David to make his line a King over Israel forever, and the New Covenant with Jesus as our Messiah as the everlasting Covenant. There are more in the Old Testament and so the reason the Jews will be saved is because of God's promise...His Covenant to them. And scripture refers to Israel as the bride of Christ.

You refute your own belief, when you say; Abraham was the father of many nations.
It is we Christian peoples who are the nation, albeit; still scattered around the world, who has received the Kingdom. Matthew 21:43
WE have blessed the world, by our evangelizing and practical help to many peoples.

No one who has not accepted the Salvation offered to all by Jesus, will survive the end times. Only the faithful believers will go with Him into the Millennium.

Spiritual Israelite · Apr 11, 2025

Heart2Soul said:
And scripture refers to Israel as the bride of Christ.

No, it does not. Where do you get that idea from? It says the church is the bride of Christ.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Paul made an analogy here between the relationship a husband has with his wife/bride and the relationship Christ has with the church to show that the church is the wife/bride of Christ. Not Israel. Israelite believers are part of the church and part of His bride along with Gentile believers, but Israelite unbelievers are certainly not part of the bride of Christ.

covenantee · Apr 12, 2025

Heart2Soul said:
And prophesy also points to their salvation. Jesus even said salvation is of the Jews. I fully understand why...it is because God made a Covenant with Noah after the flood, with Abraham to make him a father of many nations and they will bless the world, with Moses and His 10 Commandments, with David to make his line a King over Israel forever, and the New Covenant with Jesus as our Messiah as the everlasting Covenant. There are more in the Old Testament and so the reason the Jews will be saved is because of God's promise...His Covenant to them. And scripture refers to Israel as the bride of Christ.

Only a remnant of Israel will be saved. Isaiah 10:22; Romans 9:27

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel" in Christ, comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

Heart2Soul · Apr 12, 2025

Keraz said:
You refute your own belief, when you say; Abraham was the father of many nations.
It is we Christian peoples who are the nation, albeit; still scattered around the world, who has received the Kingdom. Matthew 21:43
WE have blessed the world, by our evangelizing and practical help to many peoples.

No one who has not accepted the Salvation offered to all by Jesus, will survive the end times. Only the faithful believers will go with Him into the Millennium.

Weren't we discussing salvation for the Jews?

Heart2Soul · Apr 12, 2025

Spiritual Israelite said:
No, it does not. Where do you get that idea from? It says the church is the bride of Christ.

Hosea 2 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹⁹ And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
²⁰ I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.
— Jeremiah 31:32 (KJV)
“Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”

“Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:”
— Jeremiah 3:14 (KJV)

Keraz · Apr 12, 2025

Heart2Soul said:
Weren't we discussing salvation for the Jews?

Yes, but it isn't Prophesied to happen.

Who is the true Israel of God?
Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.
The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behaviour, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10

It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:
Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..

Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.
Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18

So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:
1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. Nobody today, has proof of ancestry back to Abraham .

2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.

3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17

Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20
So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27
WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8

This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. Jewish Israel have been broken off from the Olive Tree and can only be grafted back, by having Christian faith.

The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26

Heart2Soul · Apr 12, 2025

Keraz said:
Yes, but it isn't Prophesied to happen.

Who is the true Israel of God?
Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.
The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behaviour, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10

It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:
Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..

Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.
Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18

So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:
1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. Nobody today, has proof of ancestry back to Abraham .

2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.

3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17

Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20
So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27
WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8

This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. Jewish Israel have been broken off from the Olive Tree and can only be grafted back, by having Christian faith.

The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26

Well Paul said that there will not be Jew or Gentile in Heaven, nor marriage...so I really have a hard time with negating anyone from being saved. That's like passing judgment and that is for God alone to do.

Keraz · Apr 12, 2025

Heart2Soul said:
Well Paul said that there will not be Jew or Gentile in Heaven, nor marriage...so I really have a hard time with negating anyone from being saved. That's like passing judgment and that is for God alone to do.

God is the Creator and He has made some for destruction. Romans 9:22-23

Heart2Soul · Apr 13, 2025

Keraz said:
God is the Creator and He has made some for destruction. Romans 9:22-23

As I said, that is for God alone to do.

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