THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

Doug · Apr 7, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
there was no mistery in what Jesus was teaching, he was teaching openly and to all.

John 18:20"I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing"

jesus certainly would not teach to one man in secret a different Gospel that the one he preached.

Jesus warned us about such things;
Matthew 24:26 in the New King James Version (NKJV) states:
"Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it."
KJV uses;
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

paul claimed to recieve a \secret gospel in secret, Christ sais that would not happen but said that people claiming so would decieve. rings a bell?

where did this happen?, In secret chambers? in inner chambers? where are the witnesses? witnesses are super important in the bible, no witnesses means it should not ne considered, want proof? here id what Jesus One with GOD said about it?

Jhn 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Jhn 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

Jhn 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.

Jhn 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Paul had zero witness about his Mystery gospel so .......

the mystery was not given to the 12 because it never existed.
the 12 apostles were preaching wat Jesus told them to preach; Repentance from sin ( by keeping the ten Commandments, the covenant), The Kingdom Of Heaven, HOW to enter it and all he did in his life for us, that was what they preached, all of it.

Paul preached something different and we should use caution if it is different from Christ gospel, there is only one truth Doug as I explained before.

Peter said what Paul wrote was scripture

Behold · Apr 7, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
@Behold
You do not see that the first four books of the N.T. explain and describe the cross before PAUL did? the evidence that the disciples knew before Jesus was crucified is below also Note that they Knew way before paul!

The apostles didn't Know that Jesus was going to hang on a Cross, in the first 4 books.
In Fact... during the Last Supper, when Jesus was talking about "here is my Body", "here is my Blood".......the Apostles had no idea what He was talking about.

LoveYeshua said:
7. John 12:32–33 (NKJV)

Again, those who heard this, had no idea that Jesus was talking about being nailed to A Cross.

So, you are reading this into this verse what did happen, but when Jesus was describing His suffering to them... the Apostles had no idea that a CROSS was involved.

LoveYeshua · Apr 8, 2025

Doug said:
Peter said what Paul wrote was scripture

you wont believe what I will say next but 2 peter is heavily contested, just look it up yourself.

please realize that Paul always diminished the original 12, in particular Peter, Paul was in competition wih the disciples of Jesus, it is all over his epistles. I can show you the verses.

Paul did say good things but not all he said was inspired, that is alll. Only the Holy spirit can guide you to the truth not me not paul simply Jesus.

I assure you that if you keep Jesus words and Believe in Him and Keep his commandments and believe in him you are saves

Jesus said Himself He is the ONlY way to eternal life, Now that must mean something. ;

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jhn 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then,Shew us the Father?

Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Jhn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Peace be with you Doug.

Doug · Apr 8, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
you wont believe what I will say next but 2 peter is heavily contested, just look it up yourself.

How do you know if any scripture is valid then

LoveYeshua · Apr 8, 2025

Doug said:
How do you know if any scripture is valid then

The Holy Spirit will tell you;

John 14:15-31 (NKJV)

Jesus Promises Another Helper

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. ( Yes he will come to you in dreams or vision )
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. ( this is also for all who believe fully in Jesus and keep his words, study his words carefully)
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ( this is very true you will see)
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

You have to listen to the spirit of truth ( HOLY SPIRIT) let it guide you.

In essence anything different from what Christ did or said has to be taken lightly, Christ is the only way to eternal life. You will never go wrong if you believe in Christ and Love him with all your heart.

Blessings.

LoveYeshua · Apr 8, 2025

Behold said:
The apostles didn't Know that Jesus was going to hang on a Cross, in the first 4 books.
In Fact... during the Last Supper, when Jesus was talking about "here is my Body", "here is my Blood".......the Apostles had no idea what He was talking about.

Again, those who heard this, had no idea that Jesus was talking about being nailed to A Cross.

So, you are reading this into this verse what did happen, but when Jesus was describing His suffering to them... the Apostles had no idea that a CROSS was involved.

At the Last Supper, Jesus spoke to His disciples about His coming departure. He told them that although they didn’t fully understand now, they would later. He reassured them by saying, “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you” (John 14:25-26, NKJV). Even though they didn’t fully grasp the meaning of His words, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would help them understand when the time came.

After Jesus' resurrection, He appeared to His disciples and opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. He told them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46-47, NKJV). Then He said, “Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49, NKJV). This was a clear indication that they would understand everything once they received the Holy Spirit, who would empower them and give them full clarity of His teachings.

Luk 24:45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. ( immediately after Jesus ascention, they knew and understood acts 1 AND 2)

Luk 24:46 And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,

Luk 24:47 and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. (repentance was the core message of the gospel Jesus told them to preach wuth the Kingdom of Heaven) forgiveness of sins was Jesus died on the cross willingly for us.

Luk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things. ( They knew and witnessed these events, how could they not know, scripture proves it)

Luk 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of My Father upon you. But remain in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

complete Fulfillment of Luke 24:49, was immediately after Jesus ascension, they knew and understood everything fully, acts 1 AND 2, then they had received a full measure of the HOLY spirit.

rebuilder 454 · Apr 8, 2025

Ritajanice said:
He was explaining to Nicodemas exactly how we are Born Of The Spirit.

He didn’t understand Jesus, because he was still in the flesh.

He was explaining salvation and how we are saved from eternal damnation.

That is not how God says we are Born Of The Spirit......we are Born Of The Spirit once our sin has been forgiven by God.

I never had any faith in God...so please don’t speak for me...I was gifted faith...the moment my spirit was birthed....then I had supernatural faith, to know God in my spirit as it had been birthed.by the Living Spirit.

That imo is not God given faith......they have worldly belief ......which is no faith at all.imo.

That makes no sense to me....

We are Born Again exactly the way God says we are Born Again..

God drew me to initially believe in Jesus....then he birthed my spirit into his....only then could I believe in Jesus, as it was a spiritual birth...a Living spiritual birth....supernatural faith is gifted by God..

Jesus explains to Nicodemas exactly how we are Born Of The Spirit.

Nicodemas didn’t understand the spirit birth as he was not Born Again..in other words he was still in the flesh.

You are obsessed with those who don’t agree with “ your” doctrine....you call them Calvinist and devils....utter silly nonsense......which I’ve already explained I rebuke in Jesus Name.

You have stated many times that I am a Calvinist and teach a doctrine of devils...those words of yours to me are all over the forum.....of course I rebuke your silly nonsense..in the Name Of Jesus.

God gifted me supernatural faith to know him in my spirit...that is where we know God.....you can’t muster up knowing or believing in spirit,God....by your own human faith....faith is a supernatural gift, which comes by supernatural divine heart revelation.

This is my last post to you regarding the rebirth......I stand by everyone of my posts....regarding the rebirth and supernatural faith....it’s a gift from God......being Born Of The Spirit.....and it happens exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemas.

I’m here to Glorify the Living Spirit Of God ...and will continue to do so....I’m not here to continue back and forth with you".....your testimony is your testimony and my testimony is my testimony , which I will never deny....Praise God!

Good day and I pray that you seek more and more of God’s heart.....to know him more in your spirit/ heart.

It’s the heart is where we know God and that is where we are called to seek him....in Jesus Name...Amen.

The Pauline doctrine is confusion.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

I just shake my head at Paulines because they claim that only they have the true revelation of salvation.
Then they proceed to give 30 false bogus PowerPoints of the bible.

They think Paul is THE MAN...SUPER MAN.
ALL OTHERS ...INCLUDING JESUS WERE CONFUSED AND PAUL CAME TO STRAIGHTEN THEM OUT.
They say " see Paul preached the cross, but Jesus and the Apostles preached the kingdom"

Well, in Acts, the last chapter , Paul preached the kingdom.
That's right!!!! Paul preached the kingdom!!!!
It is in Acts 2x!!!! The last chapter.

Bottom line...NO PAULINE knows his bible.
Nor do they understand salvation.

You talk to them long enough you will be as confused as they are.

Ritajanice · Apr 8, 2025

rebuilder 454 said:
The Pauline doctrine is confusion.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

I just shake my head at Paulines because they claim that only they have the true revelation of salvation.
Then they proceed to give 30 false bogus PowerPoints of the bible.

They think Paul is THE MAN...SUPER MAN.
ALL OTHERS ...INCLUDING JESUS WERE CONFUSED AND PAUL CAME TO STRAIGHTEN THEM OUT.
They say " see Paul preached the cross, but Jesus and the Apostles preached the kingdom"

Well, in Acts, the last chapter , Paul preached the kingdom.
That's right!!!! Paul preached the kingdom!!!!
It is in Acts 2x!!!! The last chapter.

Bottom line...NO PAULINE knows his bible.
Nor do they understand salvation.

Amen!...their understanding imo of salvation...confuses me...where does God say that he “ gives us the Born Again “...total and utter confusion....

rebuilder 454 said:
You talk to them long enough you will be as confused as they are.

I agree. their posts imo are full of their “ own” confusion....I believe we are called to stand up to their confusion and point it out to them....i call it nonsensical.

rebuilder 454 · Apr 8, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
At the Last Supper, Jesus spoke to His disciples about His coming departure. He told them that although they didn’t fully understand now, they would later. He reassured them by saying, “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you” (John 14:25-26, NKJV). Even though they didn’t fully grasp the meaning of His words, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would help them understand when the time came.

After Jesus' resurrection, He appeared to His disciples and opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. He told them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46-47, NKJV). Then He said, “Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49, NKJV). This was a clear indication that they would understand everything once they received the Holy Spirit, who would empower them and give them full clarity of His teachings.

Luk 24:45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. ( immediately after Jesus ascention, they knew and understood acts 1 AND 2)

Luk 24:46 And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,

Luk 24:47 and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. (repentance was the core message of the gospel Jesus told them to preach wuth the Kingdom of Heaven) forgiveness of sins was Jesus died on the cross willingly for us.

Luk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things. ( They knew and witnessed these events, how could they not know, scripture proves it)

Luk 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of My Father upon you. But remain in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

complete Fulfillment of Luke 24:49, was immediately after Jesus ascension, they knew and understood everything fully, acts 1 AND 2, then they had received a full measure of the HOLY spirit.

Yes indeed.
Jesus knew his mission.
To die.
To shed blood
To resurrect
To redeem
To save
To restore.
To heal
To make all things new.

Paulines think He was confused as we're all the Apostles.

rebuilder 454 · Apr 8, 2025

Behold said:
The apostles didn't Know that Jesus was going to hang on a Cross, in the first 4 books.
In Fact... during the Last Supper, when Jesus was talking about "here is my Body", "here is my Blood".......the Apostles had no idea what He was talking about.

Again, those who heard this, had no idea that Jesus was talking about being nailed to A Cross.

So, you are reading this into this verse what did happen, but when Jesus was describing His suffering to them... the Apostles had no idea that a CROSS was involved.

Neither did Paul when he got saved

rebuilder 454 · Apr 8, 2025

Doug said:
Peter said what Paul wrote was scripture

Was it not Paul that said all scripture is inspired by God?

rebuilder 454 · Apr 8, 2025

Here is the deal.
I am as Pauline as the next man.
I live in the epistles mostly.

But I do not see the need to smear Jesus, Peter and John and James.

That is appalling what paulines do.

Nor do I see the need to make salvation into a string of words.

Doug · Apr 10, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
The Holy Spirit will tell you;

John 14:15-31 (NKJV)
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. ( Yes he will come to you in dreams or vision )
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. ( this is also for all who believe fully in Jesus and keep his words, study his words carefully)
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ( this is very true you will see)
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

You have to listen to the spirit of truth ( HOLY SPIRIT) let it guide you.

In essence anything different from what Christ did or said has to be taken lightly, Christ is the only way to eternal life. You will never go wrong if you believe in Christ and Love him with all your heart.

Blessings.

LoveYeshua said:
The Holy Spirit will tell you;

The Holy Spirit speaks to us by the Word of God.........[Psa 119:89 KJV] 89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven........

LoveYeshua said:
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ( this is very true you will see)

Jesus was saying this to his disciples

LoveYeshua said:
You have to listen to the spirit of truth ( HOLY SPIRIT) let it guide you.

[Rom 10:17 KJV] 17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

LoveYeshua · Apr 10, 2025

Doug said:
The Holy Spirit speaks to us by the Word of God.........[Psa 119:89 KJV] 89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven........

True but also The Holy Spirit lets you understanding the word of GOD John 14:26, John 16:13. Let the spirit guide you!

Doug said:
Jesus was saying this to his disciples

jesus said if we follow him we are his disciples, Matt 16:24

Doug said:
[Rom 10:17 KJV] 17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

yes it does.

Doug · Apr 10, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
True but also The Holy Spirit lets you understanding the word of GOD John 14:26, John 16:13. Let the spirit guide you!

jesus said if we follow him we are his disciples, Matt 16:24

yes it does.

LoveYeshua said:
True but also The Holy Spirit lets you understanding the word of GOD John 14:26, John 16:13. Let the spirit guide you!

yes we get understanding but John 14:26 and 16:13 are not to be applied to us

LoveYeshua said:
jesus said if we follow him we are his disciples, Matt 16:24

we are not Israel and does not apply

LoveYeshua · Apr 10, 2025

Doug said:
yes we get understanding but John 14:26 and 16:13 are not to be applied to us

we are not Israel and does not apply

I am trying to bring you the truth buy am out if ideas. I see you wont listen to anything if it is not from paul.
if what jesus did and said was just for israel according to your logic then only israel is saved

Ron Balis · Apr 10, 2025

In one sentence the gospel is,... A message of repentance for forgiveness of sins.

Doug · Apr 11, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
if what jesus did and said was just for israel according to your logic then only israel is saved

Paul did not say only Israel would be saved....Jesus revealed redemption for both Jew and Gentile thru Paul

LoveYeshua · Apr 11, 2025

Doug said:
Paul did not say only Israel would be saved....Jesus revealed redemption for both Jew and Gentile thru Paul

Jesus revealed redemption, repentance and the coming Kingdom of Heaven to both jews and gentiles brfore paul did.

Doug · Apr 11, 2025

LoveYeshua said:
Jesus revealed redemption, repentance and the coming Kingdom of Heaven to both jews and gentiles brfore paul did.

We have had good respectful discussions that have benefited me......lets continue

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