Debp
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That is my understanding also.
When I watch videos of Palestinians being interviewed, they say they won't compromise... that they want all of the land. Jewish people interviewed are willing to compromise and want peace.
The problem with "Free Palestine"
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When I watch videos of Palestinians being interviewed, they say they won't compromise... that they want all of the land. Jewish people interviewed are willing to compromise and want peace.
Rockerduck
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The devil is a liar, murderer, and a thief. A Christian cannot negotiate with the devil. The devil knows God's word better than Christians and is a master manipulator. The Palestians, are of the devil. They want to steal, kill, and destroy, and are a liar when negotiating, just like their father the devil.
soberxp
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My position is that they reject the Trinitarian doctrine,They deny the Trinity, and from this unitarian view of monotheism, they reject that God neither originates from another nor produces offspring,This foundational denial then leads them to completely repudiate Jesus' identity as the Son of God.
According to rational logic to think, they only argue for the sake of argument, so they will come to the idea that God has no children.
I wonder why Jesus Christ is always at the center of controversy.
The Gospel of John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus called the Father :"My God."
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Wick Stick
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In the Bible, the idea of a "son of God" comes first from Psalm 2:
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.
What did David mean? Did Jesus mean the same thing when He set Himself as David's heir?
soberxp
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I think it's a double meaning, that God acknowledged both David and Jesus.
My point is that the doctrine of the Trinity is unacceptable to Muslims/Mohammad because they don't think Jesus is the only true God, as I Quote (John 20:17)
So on this basis they think that Jesus is not the one true God，Jehovah can not To be born of the Virgin Mary, So they advocated the extreme view that God had no children.
Is it clearly?
Rockerduck
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No. Muslims hate Jews and Christians and vow to destroy them both. The Caliphate is the vision of world domination. You must convert, be enslaved, or be killed. Israel and the US stand in the way.
soberxp
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You might be right about that.But You can't knock everyone down on a ship. Not every Muslims hold the idea.
The conflict you describe comes from many situations. Such as Question of the Palestinian territories.
No matter what, we should hold the teaching of Jesus Christ, You should not become like your enemy.
Love your enemies.if you really Understand it.
Rockerduck
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In that sense, God created everyone, and we are not to find any joy in their destruction. There are missionaries in the Arab countries, but they are not allowed to announce, advertise, or wear clothing that says "Christian". The Christian population in the Middle east is fast growing. Iran has the largest Christian population, and mosques are closing and churches are opening so fast the Gov't can't stop it. There is a disconnect between leaders and the population. Definitely pray for you enemies, but don't trust your enemies.
My thought is God does not want a 2-state solution for those lands.
The other thought is the 'Palestinian people' do not want a 2-state solution for the land, they want it all.
They call Israel the occupier, they intend to drive them all out and or kill all of them. But God prevented that.
Acts 17 teaches us for every nation, God has preaapointed their times and physical boundaries all through human history. That includes their languages.
Therefore, whatever happens is of God. That God has ordained all to be as it is.
26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
The other thought is the 'Palestinian people' do not want a 2-state solution for the land, they want it all.
They call Israel the occupier, they intend to drive them all out and or kill all of them. But God prevented that.
Acts 17 teaches us for every nation, God has preaapointed their times and physical boundaries all through human history. That includes their languages.
Therefore, whatever happens is of God. That God has ordained all to be as it is.
26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Ronald Nolette
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No they are not!
No part of Israel was called Palestine until Rome finshed the diaspora and called Israel , Syria Palaestina.
The Philistines were, according to compelling evidence, immigrants from Aegea in Greece around 1175BC.
Wick Stick
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I know that's what historians say, but the Bible says otherwise. It says they are descended through Mizraim the son of Ham:
Gen 10: Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, and Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
That makes them native to the area. They aren't the "sea peoples" after all.
And if you can't figure out that the Romans named the area after them, I don't think I can help with that level of willful blindness.
That's the problem living in a world "cradled in the arms of Satan", as some translate 1 John 5:19;
1 John 5:19 EMTV
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the evil one.
1 John 5:19 KJV
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Did you hear what happened in Boston? ICE picked up an illegal who was exiting a courthouse on false document charges. The judge dismissed the charges, and cited the agent with contempt of court for denying the illegal defendant "due process".
That's the world we are in!
Much love!
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Some don't see it necessary for the son of God to share in God's divinity. This is not an Orthodox belief. As for the Muslims, they are told in the Quran that God does not have a son. Of course Muslims will affirm the teachings of their book in the doctrines they teach.
Another big one is they don't believe Jesus died on the cross. If not for Jesus's death and resurrection there would be no suitable sacrifice for sins, and no eternal life. They believe God can just Forgive people whenever and however he wants. But it is written "without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sins."
Jesus is at the center of controversy because there is no other way to God. Every teaching is useless if at the end of the day your sins remain. And that is the ultimate goal of the devil.
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Wick Stick
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In David's day, it was normal for a king to be thought of as an adopted son of their god(s), with the adoption happening at the time of their coronation. Psalm 2 is thought to be part of David's coronation as it proclaims that David has been adopted by God.
The New Testament applies Psalm 2 to Jesus at several places, but it's also rather clear that Jesus is a natural son of God, rather than an adopted one.
"God has no children" seems to be a reaction to the early Christian doctrine of the trinity, which isn't easy to grasp, if it even makes sense.
However, it's ignorant of history. Virtually every king in the Bronze Age was thought of as an adopted "son of god." Rameses means "born of Ra." Tutmoses is "born of Thoth." Nebuchadnezzar means "Nebo builds a fence around him." Hezekiah translates to "Yah(weh) strengthens." Pharoah means "house of Ra." ALL the regnal names of the kings in the Old Testament that end in -iah or -el are claims that Yahweh or El (God) has set the ruler over the people as His son or at least steward.
Theirs is a religion, a system by which man may attain to paradise after life is over, based on what he does and doesn't do, and finally on the decision of a capricious god who may or may not accept you. However, showing the heart of this religion, if you kill infidels with your own death, that'll do it. It's a religion of murder.
Ours is not a religion, it's restoration to relationship by what our God did for us, and now we are to bring that gift to others. Ours is a relationship of love.
So any religion will do just fine to keep people from God, and all the better if lives are destroyed in the process, right?
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Other religions don't turn to Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. And yes forgiveness of sins is how we are reconciled with God.
soberxp
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Romans 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Have you ever thought that God deliberately keeps people really in disobedience or unbelief?
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Have you ever thought that God deliberately keeps people really in disobedience or unbelief?
amigo de christo
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It seems both are lost .
Would you like a real friendly reminder .
What is it the son of perdition actually does . what does it do .
IT DIVIDES THE LAND FOR GAIN
THROUGH PEACE IT DESTROYS MANY .
THROUGH this sorry pile of dung abraham peace accords , religious tolerance interfaith junk pile
NOT ONLY do the leaders of christendom LIE to the other religoins and say THEY serve the same GOD WE DO
but in order to attain peace
GUESS WHAT THE PLAN TO DO .
DIVIDE THE LAND FOR GAIN . NOW GO Read DANIEL and you see what the prince of evil and of lies
does . AND HE SHALL DIVIDE the land for gain . WE BEING decieved . BIG TIME friend . BIG TIME .
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