1. Am I right that you're a reader of NT Wright?
2. Were you planning on actually providing an answer, or were you content with speculating, and talking about which tools would be best to get the job of answering the OP done?
Difficulty Reconciling
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2. Were you planning on actually providing an answer, or were you content with speculating, and talking about which tools would be best to get the job of answering the OP done?
If only that were so : the reply (of mine) you're replying to (here) is actually a denial that I asked pointed questions, so how is it an answer to those questions?
Please communicate in a way that is helpful.
Oops, we know what happens to unproductive servants (Mt 25; Jn 15)! When, in the following chapter, Paul defines the behaviors he is holding his flesh back from engaging in, they are the behaviors he already said would keep someone out of the Kingdom in chapter 6.
You can try to twist things, but, again, you'd be saying Christians can commit those sins and still inherit God's Kingdom when Paul had already said the opposite.
Anyway, you don't get to strike new conversations when you didn't finish your previous ones--I'll not have you repeat your same behaviors.
Finish your vegetables or you won't get dessert!
CadyandZoe
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Perhaps you are unaware of the human race's resistance to changing its mind.
It is essential for individuals to possess the truth personally before it can truly have a positive impact on their lives. This principle drives my emphasis on the importance of a thorough and methodical approach to Bible study. I want people to engage deeply with the text, allowing them to uncover and appreciate the truth on their own.
I intentionally refrained from providing a simple, direct comparison between the verses because I believe that extracting verses from their broader context can lead to misunderstandings. Additionally, it's crucial for a person to have explored the Gospel of John within the framework of John's overall message. Without this foundational understanding, my explanations may not resonate or be comprehensible. By encouraging individuals to delve into the scripture, they can grasp its meaning and significance in a way that is personal and transformative.
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What about how Saint John shares his thoughts on the Holy Spirit's Inspiration, which he didn't ignore; highlighted in the Gospel Tract?
This is what is supposed to happen when we read the same Inspiration; come to Saint John’s conclusion...
You say, "That's fair; now you have to believe Verses I show you"...
Yes; yes I do...
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CadyandZoe
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All that I know of N.T. Wright is what others have said in support of his writings. Based on that, I think N. T. Wright misunderstands Paul. I would not recommend that anyone read N. T. Wright.
As I previously noted, I have already shared a detailed response in a comprehensive post that encapsulates the essence of John's Gospel. This overview explores the key themes, significant events, and profound teachings within the text, providing a comprehensive understanding for those interested in delving into its depth.
A beneficial answer to the OP as it stands is impossible to achieve.
CadyandZoe
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? I asked in the OP how you all reconciled them, I didn't ask you to believe them, esp since no Christian will say "I don't believe Verses in the Bible" lol
Ohhh this sounds like "I have an answer but I'm not sharing it. Trust me bro."
Either share the answer or move on. No one held a gun to your head to make you join the convo.
If you'd followed the conversation, you would know I'd settled on some potential answers.
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Yeah, showing people how they could call God a Liar eventually sinks in. Thanks again...
The OP specifically asks how NOT to call God "liar" on either count, but how to call God "true" when both are to be affirmed but seemingly would need reconciling because they seem mutually exclusive.
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What are you trying to reconcile? I read the OP; are you trying to reconcile Easy Believism with Running the Race as to win the Prize?
I'll Paste two of my Gospel Tracts about this...
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Easy Believism ~ by ReverendRV * March 23
Romans 10:9 KJV; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
The Protestant Reformation was built largely upon the premise we are Saved through ‘Faith Alone’. ~ Recently a Celebrity has come out as a Christian, claiming “Jesus is King”. Christians are concerned that the Star will let us down as other Stars have in the past, saying “Let’s wait and see”; but should we wait?? Some Churches take issue with Easy Believism, but it takes very little for us to become a Christian. Thank God that this is true, because our Justification in the sight of God could never be real any other way! May God bless Kanye West and use him for the increase of his Kingdom, and his Honor and Glory. The World will want to break Kanye; but when God is involved, a bruised reed he will not break. Becoming a Christian is easy, but Persevering in the Faith could be another matter…
I wanted to show that ‘Easy Believism’ and ‘Easy Condemnation’ have a certain Equilibrium; sort of an Equal Ultimacy. ~ Have you ever told a Lie? You say, “That’s easy, yes I have”. What do you call people who Lie? You say, “That’s easy too, they are Liars”. What does all this make you out to be? You say, “It doesn’t make ME a Liar”. But wouldn’t their being Liars, also make you a Liar because of a kind of Equal Ultimacy; a ‘unifying’ Category so to speak? As it takes little to be Saved from the Penalty of your Sins, there’s an Equilibrium between easy Innocence and easy Guiltiness; all it takes is a Lie to be Guilty. But it gets worse; “The cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the Adulterous, those who practice magic arts, the Idolaters and all Liars shall have their part in the Lake which burns with fire and brimstone”. If God Judged you by this standard would you be Guilty? Would you go to this fiery Hell?? Does this bother you? ~ If it does, then it’s time for the Gospel…
For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever ‘believes’ in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life; how easy is that?! For all have Sinned and Fallen short of the Glory of God, but the gift of God is Eternal Life in Jesus Christ. He lived a Sinless Life and earned a Righteousness which allowed him a Triumphal Entry into Heaven, but he gladly traded his triumph for our shame. Jesus Christ paid the penalty for Lying to God, by shedding his blood on the Cross, Atoning for Sin. Jesus arose from the grave conquering Death and Hell, then ascended to Heaven where he prepares a place for us to be with him. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the risen Jesus Christ, without trying to Merit Salvation in any other conceivable way. Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God, Repent of your Sins; and join a Bible believing Church as soon as you can. When Jesus bears your Sin, you bear his Righteousness; and are Forgiven. ~ “Equal Ultimacy” is used to debate higher Doctrines; but when someone else is Categorized as a Sinner, ultimately you are too. When Jesus is Righteous and you are in him; ultimately you are too. This is God’s Truth for you…
John 18:37 KJV; Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
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Olive Wreath ~ by ReverendRV * July 28
1st Corinthians 9:24 KJV; Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
The Olive Wreath is known as the ‘Kotinos’ was the prize for the winner at the ancient Olympic Games. It was an olive branch from the wild olive tree ‘Olea Oleaster’ that grew at Olympia; It was intertwined to form a circle or a horse-shoe. According to Pausanias it was introduced by Heracles as a prize for the winning runner, to honor his father Zeus. In the ancient Olympic Games there were no gold, silver, or bronze medals; there was only one winner per event. Olive wreaths were given out during the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens in honor of the ancient tradition, because the Games were being held in Greece. ~ The Greeks had a rule; or a Law, that only the winner of the race was the victor. In our society we have a tendency to give all of our children a trophy when they compete, even if they sat on the bench; not so in the original Olympic Games! When a victor won the race he was fitted with a Wreath which was placed on his head like a crown. The Roman Senate let Julius Caeser always wear a Laurel Wreath, instead of only at his political victories. It became his crowning moment, and he would always be recognized as a victorious leader…
Saint Paul goes on to tell us something about the Spiritual race we must run in life, in order to be at Peace with God; the Victor's crown is perishable. Paul says that our good deeds are temporary! To the victor goes the spoils; and indeed, like the olive wreath, the reward of the Law spoils. The Bible describes men like the grass of the field, which is cut down and soon withers. ~ The wages of Sin is death. Have you ever disobeyed your parents? The Bible says this is the first Commandment with a promise; to honor your parents brings the promise of long life. Have your parents spanked you? Not keeping this Commandment is one of ten reasons that we, like grass, are cut down to death. The bad news is that because of this, you have stumbled in your spiritual race and you won’t be able to make up the difference to win! Another has won it; and the race? It is finished!
The Good News is that the person who won the race is the Lord Jesus Christ! Why is this good news? It is because he does not Covet the prize as if he would keep it only for himself! Jesus had an advantage in the race and it was that he had never Sinned; he never stumbled during the race to keep God’s Law. ~ For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son to die on a Cross, that whoever should believe on him would not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the ‘Life’; no one comes to God except through Faith in the risen Lord Jesus as their God and Savior. ~ The world gave Jesus a crown of thorns. But since he gives life to all he desires, he can also make the clippings of his reward alive; like Aaron’s staff which budded. Jesus will give you a crown, to show that you are the victor over death and Hell along with him. By Grace through Faith you may now enter into Heaven with him to rule and to reign instead of being cast into Hell…
Revelations 4:10 KJV; The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
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No, one seems to say "Upon believing, you have eternal life, and there are no other requirements that can be added", and the others, if memory serves, seem to say "As long as you are doing the things you're expected to do, good things youre commanded, you will have eternal life now and at the Judgment".
