Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism
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You are displaying a severe double standard here. You're not a man.
Since you refuse to explain your question, I'll assume that you're trying to say that a man can refuse to obey them who have rule over them, but women cannot. lol
If that's what you're saying, you're going to have to prove that scripturally. I have proven that isn't true already by the example of the Hebrew midwives who disobeyed the orders of the (MALE) king to kill the male babies. And God honored them for disobeying the king. Again ....it is better to obey GOD than to obey man!
Since you refuse to explain your question, I'll assume that you're trying to say that a man can refuse to obey them who have rule over them, but women cannot. lol
If that's what you're saying, you're going to have to prove that scripturally. I have proven that isn't true already by the example of the Hebrew midwives who disobeyed the orders of the (MALE) king to kill the male babies. And God honored them for disobeying the king. Again ....it is better to obey GOD than to obey man!
Wrangler
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I took some notes of the podcast and when I get some time, I'll share them for further discussion. It'd be interesting to compare notes.
One thing the podcast crystallized is a point we discussed in this thread many times and I believe it overlaps with another thread that I wish you had participated in. (@TLHKAJ participated some.)
Prodigal Sister: 16 Years Not Yet Returned
Not sure what sub forum this should go in. Today my sister reached out to me for the first time in 16 years (email). Not quite like the humbled prodigal son though. Without going into all the details, the email was a 4-paragraph hot mess. Positive memories and hopes interspersed with emotional...
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In this thread, the obsession has been about the relationship between husband and wife. However, the thread with my sister reveals how the evil ideology poisons other relationships feminists have. To understand this, let's first state the reproductive rights mantra that has been perversely expanded to infinity.
Power. It's a woman's right to choose.
Responsibility. A man has to live up to his responsibilities.
@MA2444, @Wynona and I have talked about what feminists passionately hate; namely, responsibilities a women has. Inverting the above mantra is the basis for the title of this thread, strength and honor, triumphing over feminism:
Power. It's a man's right to choose.
Responsibility. A woman has to live up to her responsibilities.
My sister is in denial of these quadrants. She's 45 years old and broken. Obsessed with her power, she denies mine. Obsessed with my responsibilities, she denies hers. This is to such an extent, she actually considers it immoral, morally wrong, whenever I make choices in my life that she does not agree with - and feels entitled that I explain to her such choices to her satisfaction, which is an impossible standard and she has been unwilling to "forgive" me for exercising choices she does not agree with.
And this applies to other relationships she has as well. @TLHKAJ and @Mink57 and my sister can only acknowledge a man's power in terms of abuse, rather than right, aka victim mentality. The common denominator with my sister is total denial of the women's responsibilities to the other person in the relationship. The perverted notion that their emotions - and their emotions only, are sovereign. And of course, they cannot imagine how a feminist could possibly abuse her power or a man rightfully use his power. This creates the victimizing feminist, who victimizes with impunity, unbothered by a guilty conscious. Guilt is a concept that only applies to the person the feminist is in a relationship with (not restricted to husbands, it includes brothers). Yet, guilt is the emotion that has brought my sister back to me. Unfortunately, she still cannot come to terms with her responsibilities.
Getting back to the podcast and how it overlaps with my relationship with my sister; feminists hate being held accountable. They want equality of benefit, not accountability. Feminists deflect accountability by invoking victim mentality. To them, all accountability of the woman is misogyny. The podcast reveals the fear, even pastors have in holding women accountable will mean the termination of the relationship. And this includes the relationship between brother and sister.
What is the relationship between power and responsibility? Power glorifies the ego, responsibility humbles the ego.
Feminists don't display compassion for a man's responsibility; only contempt for a husband's power (authority) the Bible commands. This is the reviling wife. This is the reviling sister. This is the reviling feminist. What an evil ideology!
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We only have your side of the story here. How do we know that she has not been abused? It would definitely explain a lot about her actions ....rejecting "Christianity" and distancing herself from you/family.
Do you expect your unsaved sister to accept her responsibility and be held accountable while you do not?
No strife in a family is all just one-sided. You're going to be held accountable to God for how you handle this situation. If you as a professing Christian are unable to humble yourself and admit your own responsibility for the strife then why do you expect her to do so? You're supposed to be the one who lets your light so shine that it glorifies God and points her to Christ.
Are you her husband?? She isn't even saved ...but if she were, you are not her husband. She doesn't have to submit to you. If she is married, that is who she submits to. Being a man doesn't grant you authority over every woman. Your ego is what is hugely on display here.
Wrangler
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Why do you presume that I have not humbled myself and admitted my own responsibility? See how you do that? I mention feminist's responsibility and you pretend that is not the subject I brought up. Typical.
Wrangler
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I'm not even talking about submission but responsibility but since you brought it up; yes she does have to submit to me. Otherwise, we have a one-way-ship and not a relationship.
Ephesians 5:21 And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. NOTE: It does not say, "if you are a believer."
Never said I did. You create so many Strawman's, you don't even know what my Biblical position is.
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I agree. The feminist ideology covets and envies the man's power such as the ability to have high stakes careers, the power of a husband to lead the family, or the power of a pastor in church.
I used to do the same with headship and submission. I used to assume that leadership was easy and that it was the more desirable role because it had power.
Not so anymore. My children God willing will grow less reliant on me in time and my tasks will decrease. My husband must be rrsponsible for the decisions made and providing for me until he can retire.
Making the decisions and being responsible for them has a weight to it that I no longer envy. Everything is riding on these decisions my husband makes and its not a mantle he can put down just willy nilly.
Ive never heard a feminist say that the things expected of men under patriarchy are difficult and worth acknowledging.
Equality is just a feminist smokescreen. Disrupting patriarchy and rendering men powerless is the true goal. The Bible assigned men a good purpose and worthy goals. Feminism cannot agree with Scripture.
Wrangler
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This explains why twice in my sister's first reaching out to me in 16 years (via email) she stated she "doesn't understand "what happened to our relationship. "Not understanding" is a smoke screen for refusing to take responsibility.
She has the burden of responsibility in understanding before reaching out to me after all this time. At the same time, she'd exuded power and control over the relationship even in that email. To her way of thinking, she has all the power and I have all the responsibility and she does 'not understand' what happened.
I've come to learn the code word 'not understand' means to my sister not taking responsibility to accept and respect responsibilities, starting with the boundary (or relationship) between power and accountability we both have.
Ritajanice
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Sometimes, you just gotta let go....maybe you need to thrash it out on here to let go....regarding your sister.
I gave my Brothers over to the Lord, years ago, I even saw one a few days back, sat in his car....I felt nothing...I believe I have also given my bitterness and anger over to God as well....
I’ve had to work through my bitterness and anger that I had for them and my parents.......being in ignorance of God...and only being influenced by the enemy, to me, is being in hell.....
All my brothers are in ignorance and can’t see outside of that ignorance.....God is allowing it...I pray that they come to know God in their heart.....just my thoughts.
Ritajanice
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We can’t force anyone to take responsibility for their actions or whatever.....they have to “ wake up” to that ....ignorance can have a massive hold on a person.....plus we are all wired differently and have had different experiences in life...
God knows what I’ve experienced in my life....only he can help me work through my experiences...plus only he can show me my ignorance..and I’ve been pretty ignorant in quite a few areas and probably still am....
Equality is not feminism, Wynona. It is scriptural.
Every human being is created in God's image and Jesus' blood doesn't lessen in value for a woman to be saved. It takes the same priceless, precious blood of Jesus to save a woman as it does to save a man. There is not a human of lesser value in God's eyes, because He loved the entire world so much that He gave His only Son. He didn't send His Son just for men. We are all of equal value in Christ.
I don't care what the feminist definition of equality is. But in Christ, we do not have lesser value. It's HIS Word that matters to me.
John 3:16-17
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Galatians 3:28-29
[28]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[29]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I'm talking about equal value, @Wynona. I'm not saying our roles are the same. And yet, our roles are of equal value ...not lesser in value because we do different work, or have different roles. Do you not work?? Just because you stay home, does that make you of lesser value? If you're not working, then maybe you're failing in your role. Women who raise children and keep a home running never get PTO. Their husband comes home and puts his feet up and she is still at work. He gets the weekends off, and she's still at work. If she was out of the picture (death or illness), he would lose his children, or else lose his job trying to keep the children.
Scripture says that a virtuous woman is worth more than rubies. Where do you find an analogy like that in scripture explaining the value of a virtuous man? Are men of lesser value than women? No. But God saw fit to speak to women because He knew women needed to realize their value .... especially in the face of men's devaluing of women.
Proverbs 31:10-12
[10]Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
[11]The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
[12]She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Feminism has nothing on God. If you're not a feminist, why focus on what they do? Live your life and let your good works (and humility) glorify God and point to Christ. This thread is like the pharisee who stands in the temple and says, "I'm glad I'm not like this publican" and names all his good works. There is no humility here. It's all about show and gaining the approval of men.
Luke 18:10-14
[10]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[11]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[12]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[13]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[14]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
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Wrangler
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I did let her go as the Prodigal brother who stayed with the father did. She reached out to me at long last. Hence, the title of the thread, the Prodigal Sister. Sadly, the thread title continues 'Has Not Returned.'
To me, it's like she's reached out from beyond the grave. She was dead but is now alive. I will not turn by back to her while she puts positive energy into the relationship. Perhaps she too can find Strength and Honor to Triumph over Feminism? I don't know that my sister thinks of it so explicitly. As @Wynona though, feminism is in the very air we breathe. Certainly the feminist dysfunctional dynamic is there of her denying it's my right to choose what to do in my life and she has responsibilities (to respect such boundaries) in the relationship.
Ritajanice
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Wrangler
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Agreed. In her 2nd email to me, she used the expression that she's "opening the door." I used that metaphor to show her how she is not taking the responsibility to walk through it in forgiveness.
See how that works to the feminist poisoned mind? She's opened the door expecting me to take the responsibility to walk through it. Therefore, I acknowledged that she opened the door. That is a good thing. Now, I have invited her to walk through it in forgiveness, leading by example in telling her that I have forgiven her. We'll see where it goes. Please pray for me and my family of origin.
Ritajanice
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Ok, so you are trying to help her see that....that’s good.
Praying for you and your beloved family....
Wrangler
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Honestly, I don't think she knows how because she's an emotional hot mess in need of and going to therapy.
In the past, she's fine as long as what I'm talking about is of no personal interest to her. For instance, if I told her that I bought a certain fertilizer for the lawn, she's OK with simply acknowledging that I made this decision.
She's confessed already multiple times to being vulnerable to taking things too personally. For instance, one of the last conversations we had 16 years ago is in response to my sharing with her a parenting issue. In her emotional hot mess diatribe, she identified with my daughter, saying it was not that long ago when she was a teen girl. Phew! Unable to relate to the parenting side of the dynamic.
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