Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

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Mink57

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Having differences mean not being equal. LOL. What would being unequal mean?


Value is a secondary concept. Always it must be understood, of value to WHOM and for WHAT?

Men and women are equally valued by God. Sadly, we are not equal under the law as statistics show that women get shorter sentences for committing the same crimes as men. There is female privilege everywhere, despite cries of male privilege. This short vid reveals this.
Sigh. One more time, the LAW is gender neutral. There is no law that specifically says, "If a man commits (name the crime HERE), he will get between 5-15 years; but if a woman commits the same crime, she gets 1-5 years."

To say that women get shorter sentences for committing the same crime(s) as men is too general, and therefore, inaccurate. A man can commit the same crime as another man, and yet each man may receive a different sentence from the other.

Judges have a set of guidelines that they're supposed to follow when issuing sentence. Race, color, nationality, SEX (gender), etc. are NOT supposed to be considered when a sentence is handed down. And yet, neither is marital status. But married men often do receive lesser sentences than single men. Married men with dependents may receive lesser sentences than married men WITHOUT any dependents.

A defendant's (male or female) prior criminal history may be considered. So even if a man and woman commit the same crime, the woman would be more likely to receive a lighter sentence than the man because of her lack of prior history.

Wanna do a little research? I'll leave you with the following link. A mere 53 pages for some "light" bathroom reading. :Laughingoutloud:


One woman complains that it is not fair that due to nature, men age better than women.
Maybe that woman should take her complaint to God rather than the internet.
 

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I don't know how you got that from what I wrote.


Can't you agree that if you want to increase the population, women are more valuable than men? An island with a population of 10:1 men will not prosper as well as an island of 1:10 men. It is bizarre to me the rage that feminists have in their indispensable value of bringing forth the next generation to prevent the human species from going extinct.
I'm sure you've heard at least SOME men say that "women are only good for one thing", and that one "thing" is NOT bringing forth the next generation!

Men and women play an equal part in producing offspring. Without a man (even if she goes to a sperm bank, she still NEEDS 'a man' in the sense of needing his sperm, in order to reproduce), she cannot have children. And likewise, without a woman, a man cannot reproduce.

It seems like an out of control ego and oddly hateful those who rage against their most valuable attribute.
What if a woman cannot have children? Is she still valuable in any other way? Why can't she be valued for anything MORE than having children?

The Proverbs 31 woman was certainly valued by her husband and family for doing MORE than being a mother/housekeeper.

You DO realize that more and more men are becoming SAHD's, right?
And likewise, if you have hard, physical labor to do, can't you agree men are more valuable than women?
No, because most men in our society don't do hard physical labor, plus, women can do hard physical labor as well.
I've said this many times in this thread. The absurdity of the feminist movement's fight for "equality" is seen in the fact that all human cultures throughout human history value women more than men. It is not undervaluing women that explains why they did not die by the millions in battlefields over the centuries but instead, were put first in life boats. This is female privilege, which is most clearly seen in matters of life and death. Feminists take for granted their privilege and rage against male privilege but do not strife to make men equal in matters of life and death. This reveals the evil nature of feminism.
First of all, there have been more woman who have died giving birth historically than there have been men who died in battlefields. And to think that women are somehow immune to becoming casualties of war because they're most often not on the battlefield, I mean SERIOUSLY, Wrangler...

And as for putting women in lifeboats FIRST, that policy was formulated by a MAN. However, it was NEVER part of maritime law.

When 9/11 happened do you REALLY believe that men were standing around ushering "women and children first" down the stairs or out of the buildings? Hardly.

Seriously, Wrangler. Your angst is so misplaced.
 

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By definition, if you’re a feminist, you’re bitter. Self awareness is not a high attribute of the entitled.
...which addressed NOTHING from my post.

You wrote:
For instance, bitter feminists want to be treated equally. So, men treat women like men - in not helping them open doors, carry their bags, or come to their rescue when accosted by criminals in the street.
You said, "...men treat women like men" and not "men treat feminist women like men." The truth is, that if a man holds a door open for a female stranger, you have no idea if she's a feminist or not.

So...what do you do? Just assume that ALL women are feminists and not hold the door open for ANY of them?

Like I said before, I DO hold the door open for men and women because it's polite.
I DO encourage men to get on the bus ahead of me if THEY WERE THERE WAITNG BEFORE ME. To me, that's FAIR.
And while on the bus, I HAVE given my seat up for men who appear disabled or older than me (I'm 67), and yet I don't expect a man to give up his seat for me, simply because I'm a woman (he would have no idea how old I am since I don't look my age).

Thank goodness that not ALL men have such a crappy view of women or feminists.
 
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I want to talk about the blessing that being a submissive wife is.

I nagged and argued with my husband in the beginning. I was critical of his spirituality.

But as I started reading Scripture for myself, I knew I had to learn to obey my husband (Titus 2:3-5).

I figured I would have to get used to being micro managed and having power Lorded over me in some obnoxious overbearing way. I even pictured my husband knocking over a bowl of skittles and demanding I pick each one up off the floor.

Instead, my husband became the man God wanted to be (not what I thought he should be). I consider my husband overall a better person in character than I am.

The way he leads is something Im proud of.. The irony is that as I learned tobe submissive and respectful. leaving it up to God to do any changing, my husband heard God more and became way more likely to listen to me in general.

When women nag and criticize constantly, men tend to tune that out over time.

But the blessing goes further than that because submission is ultimately about trusting the Lord.

I used to be all talk, no obedience as a Christian. But now I understand that true happiness is not about getting your way all the time but in displaying Christlike behavior in your life. Christ alone satisfies.

A meek and quiet spirit is one that does not need everything to go her way but trusts the Lord and fears nothing.

Ultimately, when a wife submits, she is counting on the Lord to lead her through her husband or work on his disobedient heart through her actions (1 Peter 3:1-7).

Her behavior then becomes an amplifier for the voice of God.
 

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I want to talk about the blessing that being a submissive wife is.

I nagged and argued with my husband in the beginning. I was critical of his spirituality.

But as I started reading Scripture for myself, I knew I had to learn to obey my husband (Titus 2:3-5).
While YOUR bible may say that wives are to "obey" their husbands, are you SURE that the original words mean what you THINK they mean?
While your bible may say to "submit", I'm not sure what you think 'submission' means...

Your bible says to "submit to YOUR OWN husbands." It does NOT say, "Submit to your husbands." If YOUR bible tells you to submit to your husbands...better get a different bible.

Submit to YOU OWN husbands. What do you think that means? Why would Paul include the "YOUR OWN" part?

Plus, the original word 'submit' wasn't 'submit' at all. AND, in Ephesians 5:22, the word "submit" isn't even there.

If you keep reading in Ephesians, the word "submit" doesn't mean to "obey", but to respect and to love. Paul did NOT tell women in so many words to do whatever your husband wants...nor did he tell husbands to do whatever their wives wanted. It's supposed to be about MUTUALITY. That's WHY the verse before 5:22 says, "Submit to one another." The wife "submits" in ONE way to her husband, while the husband submits in another way to his wife. In NO WAY does the passage mean that ONE (the wife) has more of a burden to obey each other.
I figured I would have to get used to being micro managed and having power Lorded over me in some obnoxious overbearing way. I even pictured my husband knocking over a bowl of skittles and demanding I pick each one up off the floor.
So, you thought your husband might take advantage of those verses.....
You may have had that fear, but other women have actually had those experiences.

All because some man read those verses and thought, "Hmmm...she has to submit to me. And do whatever I want her to do. The bible SAYS SO...so basically, I can tell her that we're going to have a three-some...or that she has to eat dog poop from my hand.....

The whole idea of "submission' can get ugly.
 

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So, you thought your husband might take advantage of those verses.....
You may have had that fear, but other women have actually had those experiences.

All because some man read those verses and thought, "Hmmm...she has to submit to me. And do whatever I want her to do. The bible SAYS SO...so basically, I can tell her that we're going to have a three-some...or that she has to eat dog poop from my hand.....

The whole idea of "submission' can get ugly.
I think the key phrase is, "...as unto the LORD." If he commands her to do something that is ungodly, she is not obligated to obey him. The stipulation is "as unto the LORD" in the context of the next verses which outline that husbands are to love (agape=God-love) their wife in the same way that Jesus loved the Church and gave His life blood for it. He is to love her as his own body.
 

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I think the key phrase is, "...as unto the LORD." If he commands her to do something that is ungodly, she is not obligated to obey him.
Wrong. The expression means to obey him the same way you’d obey your Creator. In no objective interpretation of the text is obey to be construed as a form of NOT obey.
 

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Wrong. The expression means to obey him the same way you’d obey your Creator. In no objective interpretation of the text is obey to be construed as a form of NOT obey.
You're 100% wrong on that.
If your president commanded you to bow down to him and sacrifice your grandchild to him ....do you obey him?

Hebrews 13:17
[17]Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
 

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As to the Lord. Stop making an unconditional command depend on your sensibilities.

Acts 5:29
[29]Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
 
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This thread has bothered me from the first OP. It gives me the impression that if we do A, B and/or C then we will overcome what we do not like by acting God like and enforcing our perceived wisdom onto others.
 
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@Wrangler

Check out this podcast. I think youd really appreciate it. Its refreshing.
I watched the nearly 2 hour podcast. Refreshing to stand on the principle of holding women accountable also.

Submitting to husbands is the responsibility of wives and older women are supposed to teach that to younger women per Titus 2:4-5. Don’t recall the feminists in this thread saying they follow the word of God here.
 
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You're 100% wrong on that.
If your president commanded you to bow down to him and sacrifice your grandchild to him ....do you obey him?

Hebrews 13:17
[17]Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
@Wynona are you on the same wavelength as wrangler here? Would you sacrifice your child to the president if he and your husband commanded you to do so? Does your obedience to your husband extend to things that are ungodly?
 

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Yup. Consider are you between men obeying men compared to wives obeying their husbands?

I have no idea what you're asking, but God would hold you responsible for murder and idolatry for doing so.

Based on your stance, you will take the mark of the beast and worship his image because he commands you to do so.

I 100% disagree with your stance on this. I am not obligated to follow man ...not even my own husband ...if he is commanding me to do something against God. And God agrees!

Exodus 1:15-21
[15]And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:
[16]And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.
[17]But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive.
[18]And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive?
[19]And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them.
[20]Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty.
[21]And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that he made them houses.
 
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Daniel 3:8-28
[8]Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.
[9]They spake and said to the king Nebuchadnezzar, O king, live for ever.
[10]Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:
[11]And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
[12]There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
[13]Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.
[14]Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
[15]Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
[16]Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
[17]If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
[18]But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
[19]Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated.
[20]And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace.
[21]Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
[22]Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
[23]And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
[24]Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
[25]He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
[26]Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
[27]And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
[28]Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
 

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Daniel 6:1-23
[1]It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
[2]And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.
[3]Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm.
[4]Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
[5]Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.
[6]Then these presidents and princes assembled together to the king, and said thus unto him, King Darius, live for ever.
[7]All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
[8]Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
[9]Wherefore king Darius signed the writing and the decree.
[10]Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
[11]Then these men assembled, and found Daniel praying and making supplication before his God.
[12]Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
[13]Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.
[14]Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
[15]Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
[16]Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
[17]And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
[18]Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: neither were instruments of musick brought before him: and his sleep went from him.
[19]Then the king arose very early in the morning, and went in haste unto the den of lions.
[20]And when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel: and the king spake and said to Daniel, O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?
[21]Then said Daniel unto the king, O king, live for ever.
[22]My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
[23]Then was the king exceeding glad for him, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he believed in his God.
 
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