What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?

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How will we keep from sinning throughout eternity?


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Brakelite

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What guarantees no more bad decision-making? If by "good old" you mean the earliest human-type, it's old enough, all right, but I think we can agree that it wasn't very good.

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Well, I think the decision making of our earliest ancestors was good, until it wasn't. I think the first thing we need to establish is that God is not going to take away our free will. He made us creatures capable of choosing right from wrong. That won't change. I believe we will be no different to Adam before the fall. But we've learned a few things since... At least should have and continuing to do so.
The second thing to establish is what will be the constant motivation for choosing against a second rebellion. Remembering that Lucifer had advantages we have never had, yet instigated the whole shemozzle.
What have we learned? Or when are we going to learn what we need to learn? Is knowledge even any part of our healing to the extent we never fall again, or is it some intrinsic change in our make up, our DNA, that guarantees heaven's future security? What will convince the heavenly angels that we are "safe to handle"? What caused sin in the first? What was it about God's government and rule that Lucifer found so objectionable that he deemed it appropriate to attempt a coup and do the job himself? Have we discovered since that whatever reason he thought appropriate, was a lie? Have we learned that? I think even some Christians are still questioning God's character, and therefore making their stay in heaven untenable.
 

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Mine changes sin to son. And love to live.

Go figure. I make the most of it thinking it's making an attempt to come to Jesus. "live son son live" ;) what I thought I wrote
YES!!!! Exactly!! My daughter once got a message from me that read, I love your hips. That is not what my finger intended.... I love you heaps.
 
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Well, I think the decision making of our earliest ancestors was good, until it wasn't.

Forgive me but, you couldn't possibly mean the kind of decision-making that got us into this mess, could you? I mean, decision-making like eating from the forbidden tree, hiding, trying to cover their nakedness, and then all the blame-shifting that went on? Because we don't really have a record of ancestral decision-making before that stuff. Apologies for any tinges of 'tongue-in-cheek' here.

Well, I think the decision making of our earliest ancestors was good, until it wasn't. I think the first thing we need to establish is that God is not going to take away our free will. He made us creatures capable of choosing right from wrong. That won't change. I believe we will be no different to Adam before the fall. But we've learned a few things since... At least should have and continuing to do so.
The second thing to establish is what will be the constant motivation for choosing against a second rebellion. Remembering that Lucifer had advantages we have never had, yet instigated the whole shemozzle.
What have we learned? Or when are we going to learn what we need to learn? Is knowledge even any part of our healing to the extent we never fall again, or is it some intrinsic change in our make up, our DNA, that guarantees heaven's future security? What will convince the heavenly angels that we are "safe to handle"? What caused sin in the first? What was it about God's government and rule that Lucifer found so objectionable that he deemed it appropriate to attempt a coup and do the job himself? Have we discovered since that whatever reason he thought appropriate, was a lie? Have we learned that? I think even some Christians are still questioning God's character, and therefore making their stay in heaven untenable.

It sounds good and true, but I'm having trouble coalescing this into a guarantee. Again, it is kind of a trick question I'm asking, as I mentioned in Post #775. Although most CHRISTians don't give it much of a thought, honestly.

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Honestly, what will our edge over Lucifer, and Adam and Eve be?

UPDATE: I can't understand why Christian people are so ready to tell people (even other Christians) whom they don't even know that they "don't understand the Gospel?" I'm not asking for informational purposes, and it's not meant to be a quiz or imply that I have knowledge unavailable to other Christians or even other people, in general. For many people, the Gospel is as simple as "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8) and for them, the rest is just window-dressing. More power to them, I say. I like to dig a little deeper, myself. My purpose here is simply to provoke thought and stimulate discussion. That's all. I'm not looking to "school" anybody. Honestly. I have a theory, but I'm not sure I'm anxious to put a bullseye on it right away. I don't believe that helps to encourage participation in a positive way. Whenever a line in the sand is drawn in a thread by the OP the conversation will (9 times out of 10) descend into a partisan debate, which is when the barbs really start to come out flying.

The thought question is very simple (however frustrating and elusive it may be to some):

What tangible thing will we have at our disposal that the 3 original sinners did not have that will keep us from falling as they did?

There are implications to this question that will occur to many, such as: fairness to the original 3 (e.g. will our advantage constitute unfairness to them?) For some of us, these implications can't just be summarily dismissed. God's honor must be vindicated. Many feel that full disclosure is very important to Him, à la John 16:12. The original 3 fell to temptation, albeit Lucifer somehow must have tempted himself and apparently did not repent as did the Edenic pair. I do not believe an explanation that involves just any theorized difference between our glorified nature and theirs is satisfactory. I pondered this question for over 40 years before stumbling onto an article that made me think there might actually be a solution.
I voted other. - We will not Sin, the same way the Unfallen Elect Angels do not Sin now; they know better because they saw what happened to a third of their number. We will be Holy; and we will know better than to Fall...
 
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It sounds good and true,
I'll take it.

Again, it is kind of a trick question I'm asking
Of course it is.
The only guarantees in scripture are covenantal promises. So God's word that says,
“What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. ”
Nahum 1:9 KJV
I would imagine we simply believe it. The just shall live by faith, maybe even in heaven.
 
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I'll take it.


Of course it is.
The only guarantees in scripture are covenantal promises. So God's word that says,
“What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. ”
Nahum 1:9 KJV
I would imagine we simply believe it. The just shall live by faith, maybe even in heaven.

It is certainly enough to believe it. And, actually, righteousness has always been by faith—even in eternity past—and always will be so.

The only difference—but what a difference—since sin entered the universe is Christ's commitment to atone for it.

I have read that it was nearly inconceivable to the unfallen angels at the time of the first rebellion in Heaven that there was a codified law. They merely believed in the righteous character of God, needing no transcription thereof.

The greatest manifest expression of God's character in eternity future will be the scars that remain and testify of the suffering, dying, and risen CHRIST, and the horrible results of the angelic and human experiment of transgression.

The human nature that was present in Adam before the fall (likewise with the angels), coupled with the True and Faithful Witness who was "wounded in the house of His friends" (Zechariah 13:6), will be an irresistible deterrent against any further curiosity as to the potential benefit of disobedience.

Zechariah 13:6 — And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

What Was Secured By The Death Of Christ

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And ain't that our problem today? Thinking there is potential benefit from sinning... However temporary such benefit may be?
Instant gratification is the allure that Satan dangles before us... The exact opposite to the "patience of the saints that keep the commandments of God and having the faith of Jesus".
 
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Nip it in the bud I say ! Oh ,sorry too late for that one :ummm: .

What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?​

Honestly, what will our edge over Lucifer, and Adam and Eve be?
The Holy Spirit .
What tangible thing will we have at our disposal that the 3 original sinners did not have that will keep us from falling as they did?
We will be like Christ . Jesus did not sin there was no sin found in him .

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

When the perfect has come .

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
 
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Nip it in the bud I say ! Oh ,sorry too late for that one :ummm: .

Never too late to NIP IT.

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We will be like Christ .
Yet two of them were just newly created in the image of Christ. Lucifer stood in the very presence of the Almighty. They walked in the garden with God. Communed with Him on a daily basis. All 3 fell. And infected the rest of us with a terminal illness. What more do we need because they failed? Was not Lucifer at one time a holy spirit? Was not Adam and Eve filled with God's Spirit ? Adam and Eve were not intellectually deprived either, they had full use of their intellectual capabilities and understood sciences today's PhDs can only dream of. They were perfect in every respect. Yet they fell. What more is available to us now that they didn't have or understand?
I suggest that we have the advantage of the full appreciation of the extent and magnitude of the love of God in Christ crucified. That my friend is what I believe will make all the difference.
 

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You are pretending to be wiser than God. Not a very good place to be.
When God perfects the saints, He also makes their love for Him perfect.

Which is to imply that He made Adam and Eve imperfect, not only contrary to the Bible s testimony in Genesis 1:31, but leaving them at a disadvantage that cursed us all—which I can't accept as an act of the loving God of the Bible. It's sabotage. Be it far from the Lord.

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If you are in heaven and you feel no pain, no injustice, Satisfy, as the Bible says, God will wipe away all their tears. A great pleasure or great joy.

And the spiritual body is not as weak as the physical body and needs to think about what to eat and drink even Wear.

How do you think such a body would commit a sin?

Let me know that.
 
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