Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
LOL
Did you realize that you just played "the God card"?
"I’m just going by the inspired word.." - Ritajanice
As if that should end the discussion.
Not your intention though. (I don't think)

I’m not trying to end the discussion..I’m saying, I will not continually go over the same ground...

St. SteVen said:
I know you are becoming weary in all the back and forth.
You even bowed out at one point, but have continued to engage.

Because I believe I was led to..not to argue though.

St. SteVen said:
The discussion between Nicodemus and Jesus was unique
mostly because of who was in the meeting. IMHO

Jesus introduced something that was missing in Judaism.
Judaism had declined to a relationship with the law.
Good Jews kept the law (supposedly), bad Jews did not.

Jesus spoke to Nicodemas in Spirit..the natural man ,couldn’t possibly understand what he was saying...as Nicodemas was in the natural man..had no understanding of spiritual matters as we can see, by his reply.

St. SteVen said:
Jesus introduced a relationship with God through the transforming Spirit.
Spiritual rebirth.

Jesus came to spread the word..we can’t be transformed into Jesus image, without being Born Again..then we are reunited back to God in our spirit.

St. SteVen said:
In a sense, this was preparatory for what was coming at Pentecost.
I think it had less to do with salvation than evangelicals make it out to be.

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I have always agreed that the witness/ testimony of the Spirit ,the inspired word backs up Gods Living testimony?

In other words my spirit knew that it was Born Again..well,I had to immediately go out and buy a Bible to read that truth...I check all that I say mostly, with the Bible...although not everything is recorded in the word..

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
I will not continually go over the same ground...

I'm saying there is ground outside the fence.

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
What do you conclude about that?
- Is one of us right and the other wrong?
- Are we both right?
- Are we both wrong?

Does God speaking to your heart tell you that I am wrong? (the God card)

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I am not playing the God card.

I post my testimony/ belief ....are we all at the same level of understanding of spiritual growth, no.....only God is right.

I just post what I believe he places on my heart to speak...that is my belief...of course sometimes I can get personal, therefore that is not of God.

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
I'm saying there is ground outside the fence.

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Grounds to me..is this constant arguing by some...we aren’t arguing..LOL..

I don’t understand what ground outside the fence means....unless it means, open up one’s mind ...

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
I'm saying there is ground outside the fence.

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Then explain what that means?

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
I am not playing the God card.

Do you understand what it means to play the God card?

Playing the "God card" to end the discussion. - Misuse of God's name?

"My doctrinal opinion is true; you're doctrinal opinion is false." - Got it? Say what? Or worse... "Who should I believe, you, or the Word of God?" (in reference to a man-made doctrinal opinion) Basically, playing the "God card" to win a doctrinal argument. "How will you top that?" Why do...

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
Do you understand what it means to play the God card?

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Do you? LOL...

You are saying that everyone will be saved...is that not playing the God card?

Maybe I have done as well...if I have, then please show me....

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
I don’t understand what ground outside the fence means....unless it means, open up one’s mind ...

I like to bring challenges to the status quo. (inside the fence)
I ask questions and make comments that make many Christians VERY uncomfortable.

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
Do you understand what it means to play the God card?

Playing the "God card" to end the discussion. - Misuse of God's name?

"My doctrinal opinion is true; you're doctrinal opinion is false." - Got it? Say what? Or worse... "Who should I believe, you, or the Word of God?" (in reference to a man-made doctrinal opinion) Basically, playing the "God card" to win a doctrinal argument. "How will you top that?" Why do...

www.christianityboard.com

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I’ve been there done all that..sigh...imo, that was all about pride and ego.....

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
I like to bring challenges to the status quo. (inside the fence)
I ask questions and make comments that make many Christians VERY uncomfortable.

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You have never made me feel uncomfortable.

Your topics bring a lot of controversy though( some)....it’s like you challenge what some believe, would you agree with that?

You try and help others see outside of what they believe, if that makes sense...

Seeing it from another perspective...from another’s eyes/ ears...nothing wrong in that...I do understand what you mean though...making some extremely uncomfortable.

I notice some go very much on the defence.....rather than taking time to think about what you post.

I think I’ve been guilty of doing just that, at times.

If we aren’t open and honest about ourselves...then how can we grow.....?

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
You are saying that everyone will be saved...is that not playing the God card?

No.
Not unless I claim your opinion disagrees with the Bible, or that God told me you were wrong.

Ritajanice said:
Maybe I have done as well...if I have, then please show me....

Several times today.

Ritajanice said:
I’m just going by the inspired word..where Jesus explains to Nicodemas that we must be Born Of The Spirit .

Which infers that I am NOT in alignment with the Bible.

Ritajanice said:
It seems you understand one way..I understand another...I can’t believe as you do...I can only believe what has been testified to my spirit, by the Living Spirit who indwells my heart.

Which infers that the Holy Spirit is telling you that I am wrong.

Ritajanice said:
Like I explained...you understand God one way..I understand God The way he speaks to my heart..

Which infers that my understanding of God is wrong. (since He speaks to your heart)

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St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Your topics bring a lot of controversy though( some)....it’s like you challenge what some believe, would you agree with that? ... I notice some go very much on the defence.....rather than taking time to think about what you post.

Agree.
There is a good percentage who understand and engage with the content.

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
No.
Not unless I claim your opinion disagrees with the Bible, or that God told me you were wrong.

Several times today.

Show me where then?..that would be a start..I could then have a good look at what I said..then get back to you...I welcome being corrected...as long as it comes from God.and not from someone’s own personal opinion of me...

St. SteVen said:
Which infers that I am NOT in alignment with the Bible.

Which infers that the Holy Spirit is telling you that I am wrong.

Which infers that my understanding of God is wrong. (since He speaks to your heart)

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Aha....that’s how you are perceiving it...you have taken what I say personally.

I can’t stop you from doing that..only God can...

Been there done all that...I’m not in the flesh I’m in the Spirit...

Taking things personally imo, is all about self, pride, ego.all about our feelings being hurt...it’s not about our feelings..it’s about what God says.

That’s why we must mature in Christ...not stuck in self.

To be honest, I’ve only just started to grow up in Christ..I’ve been like a child in the playground at times..been like that for years....I was desperately holding onto self...

It can be scary letting go of self...would you agree..? @St. SteVen

Only the Spirit can bring self to our understanding , then once we understand it...we can give it to God....then he can continue to work in our hearts.

Once again.just my thoughts.

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
Do you understand what it means to play the God card?

Ritajanice said:
Do you? LOL...

Yes.
I coined the term.

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St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Aha....that’s how you are perceiving it...you have taken what I say personally. ... It can be scary letting go of self...would you agree..? @St. SteVen

LOL
Right, make it about me. (sigh)

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
LOL
Right, make it about me. (sigh)

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I haven’t made anything all about you...I involved myself in all of what I posted.

You voiced how you saw it...I disagreed...

Just a difference of opinions...that’s all...moving on and not holding onto what was said....or bearing a grudge over it..let’s be mature in Christ.

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Just a difference of opinions...that’s all...moving on and not holding onto what was said....or bearing a grudge over it..let’s be mature in Christ.

I called you out for playing the God card. You wouldn't own it, preferring to blame it on me for taking your posts personally, which I didn't.
And now you want to move on, encouraging me to not bear "a grudge" but "be mature in Christ."? - WOW

Actually, I'm not sure how you could correct your use of the God card.
Most of what you post is about the Spirit revealing to you what you understand about something.
Which always infers that others are NOT in step with the Spirit.

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
I called you out for playing the God card. You wouldn't own it, preferring to blame it on me for taking your posts personally, which I didn't.

What do you mean I couldn’t own it...I asked you repeatedly to show me where I played the God card?

St. SteVen said:
And now you want to move on, encouraging me to not bear "a grudge" but "be mature in Christ."? - WOW

I said, let’s move on and mature in Christ....

St. SteVen said:
Actually, I'm not sure how you could correct your use of the God card.
Most of what you post is about the Spirit revealing to you what you understand about something.
Which always infers that others are NOT in step with the Spirit.

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That’s how you perceive what I’m saying..an assumption...where your assumptions couldn’t be further from the truth.

Look at how personal you are getting with me.....here it is again posted below...., now show me where I singled you out and made it all about you?

Aha....that’s how you are perceiving it...you have taken what I say personally.

I can’t stop you from doing that..only God can...

Been there done all that...I’m not in the flesh I’m in the Spirit...

Taking things personally imo, is all about self, pride, ego.all about our feelings being hurt...it’s not about our feelings..it’s about what God says.

That’s why we must mature in Christ...not stuck in self.

To be honest, I’ve only just started to grow up in Christ..I’ve been like a child in the playground at times..been like that for years....I was desperately holding onto self...

It can be scary letting go of self...would you agree..? @St. SteVen

Only the Spirit can bring self to our understanding , then once we understand it...we can give it to God....then he can continue to work in our hearts.

Once again.just my thoughts

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
Most of what you post is about the Spirit revealing to you what you understand about something.
Which always infers that others are NOT in step with the Spirit.

All according to you.....no problem...that’s your own opinion...so why can’t I voice mine...without you taking it personally, then start throwing your toys out of the pram LOL.

Lighten up!....it’s wonderful when we can do that....we are then free from the self Of pride and ego.

Accept people for who they are and not how you or I want them to be....which at one time I couldn’t...now I can..because I’ve let go of my pride and ego..

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Aha....that’s how you are perceiving it...you have taken what I say personally.

I can’t stop you from doing that..only God can...

Been there done all that...I’m not in the flesh I’m in the Spirit...

There it is again. (a blind spot for you)

As if to say, you aren't playing the God, I'm the one taking it personally.
You used to do that. (when you were in the flesh)
But now you are in the Spirit. (the God card)
Inferring that I am in the flesh and NOT in the Spirit.

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