Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

One 2 question · Mar 22, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Neither of us will...it’s just that everyone of us are at different levels of understanding.

I’m going to take a break from this thread....as it’s starting to confuse me, when a member says that we are all going to burn in Hell.

Jesus sacrifice was for nothing then...may come back later.

Sorry for the confusion. I was making a point. It seemed to need time to develop. That's a part of the reason for being on this forum I thought. Come now let us reason together.

Personally I don't believe for a moment that you are going to hell sister.

I know that any being that goes to hell and the lake of fire will be reconciled to our Father at some point in eternity.

God's story of mercy and grace continues without end. And this story will be revealed in time to show Him as the God of LOVE, of mercy, of patience of grace long after His justice has been served.

One thing will remain, GOD'S LOVE! Because GOD IS LOVE. We have this witness in our spirit don't we.

Jack · Mar 22, 2025

One 2 question said:
Personally I don't believe for a moment that you are going to hell sister.

You CLEARLY stated, "Everyone gets to do time in hell. Actually, to spend forever and ever in hell. That includes you and me. Period."

One 2 question · Mar 22, 2025

Jack said:
You CLEARLY stated, "Everyone gets to do time in hell. Actually, to spend forever and ever in hell. That includes you and me. Period."

I was asking if you believe this? I certainly don't. You said everyone sins. True. The biblical conclusion is therefore everyone deserves to go to hell forever and ever. For all have sinned.

Then you had some additional information.....TBC.

There is redemption and reconciliation through the shed blood of Christ.

My point is that if you and I and all the rest who have been born again when we repented, why is it challenging for you to accept that this mercy and grace of God won't extend to ALL of His created being when they repent?

Is God not capable. Is Jesus blood not sufficient?

The brilliant news is, they certainly are! And ALL will be reconciled to their Creator.

One 2 question · Mar 22, 2025

Ritajanice said:
A Born Again certainly aren’t going to Hell, that’s for sure.

That's the truth

Ritajanice said:
When we are Born Again our spirit is reconciled back to God, he sees our sin no more, we have been forgiven and are 100% free from eternal damnation and Gods wrath.

Fully agree with you sister.

Ritajanice said:
If you mean humans who aren’t Born Again....then will they end up in hell....I don’t know...I have no heart revelation regarding that..even though it says that some will burn in the lake of fire...I have no idea what that means..

To be revealed. Thanks for your humble honesty.

One 2 question · Mar 22, 2025

Ritajanice said:
I’m taking a break,Brother, this thread is starting to confuse me..which is not of God..catch you on another thread.

I might do the same. Some needed time out.

Jack · Mar 22, 2025

One 2 question said:
I was asking if you believe this?

It was not a question! It was your statement!

"ALL humans have sinned against God and all are going to hell forever and ever."

soberxp · Mar 23, 2025

I'm really confused about trying to beat the Bible with the Bible.
Do you believe it is true to spread the gospel throughout the world?
If you think people can't be saved, why do you preach the gospel?
Do you believe that people who are unfit to be teachers should not preach the gospel?
Do you believe that for the letter kills but the spirit gives life?

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
We aren’t saved, not until our spirit has been birthed...

There are many aspects (layers) to salvation.
- Saved in the final sense from the penalty of death for sin
- Saved in the personal sense from ourselves and our situation at conversion
- Saved in an isolated specific personal situation
- Saved due to the complete work of the atonement on the behalf of all humankind

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St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Do you know that your spirit has been reconciled back to God?

When your spirit became Born Again and in Christ’s Spirit?

By the testimony of the Living Spirit?

The short answer is, "Yes."
However...

God loves every human individual. (past, present and future)
His children, created in His image. He is our heavenly Father.

For reasons unknown to me, He chooses when to reconcile a person to Himself.
Each in turn. As in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
There are many aspects (layers) to salvation.
- Saved in the final sense from the penalty of death for sin
- Saved in the personal sense from ourselves and our situation at conversion
- Saved in an isolated specific personal situation
- Saved due to the complete work of the atonement on the behalf of all humankind

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I have explained it from my own experience of becoming Born Of The Spirit.

The moment my spirit was birthed, it knew it had been released from the power of sin, by the forgiveness of my sins, that only God can do, God did it all, he drew me to believe in Jesus.....as no one can come to the Father except through the Son.

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.....the Living seed that I was Born Again ....is the Holy Spirit.....as he was indwelling my heart, the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Everyone has their own supernatural experience by divine heart revelation.

Just like you did....When God spoke to your heart, via his Spirit.

It’s something we can never forget....if God has birthed our spirit....no one can take that away....it’s been delivered to our spirit....not our head...,once Born Of The Spirit....always Born Of The Spirit...my testimony and belief.

The seed of the Living Spirit has taken up residence in our spirit....once we know that...our faith, because it was God given...will just grow and grow...,...mind Blowing!...my testimony/ belief.

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

That to me means so in Christ all will be made alive......made alive in their spirit...when it becomes Born Again....it doesn’t say the whole world will become Born Again ...or made alive in Christ .

God decides who becomes Born Again....that is my belief....chosen and predestined to become a spirit child of God.

The Spirit in us....is the only one who can testify to our spirit that it’s Born Again....he does that all day every day.....you cannot deny the Living testimony of Gods Living Spirit....who indwell s our heart.

His Spirit permanently reminds our spirit that’s its in Christ......there is NO escaping God...once our spirit is reborn.....why would anyone want to escape God.....

We belong to him and him only ...thanks to Jesus death and resurrection.

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

soberxp said:
I'm really confused about trying to beat the Bible with the Bible.
Do you believe it is true to spread the gospel throughout the world?
If you think people can't be saved, why do you preach the gospel?
Do you believe that people who are unfit to be teachers should not preach the gospel?
Do you believe that for the letter kills but the spirit gives life?

Not sure who this is addressed to.
It helps to quote the post you are responding to.

Bible vs. Bible. Who will win?
We need to consider the different audiences for the gospel, and the gospel message itself.
Everyone is already saved due to the complete work of the atonement on behalf of all humankind.
Jesus answered the disciples saying, "Anyone who is for us is not against us."
Yes. The letter kills but the spirit gives life. What does it mean? (see below)

Assuming the Ten Commandments were "engraved in letters on stone"...
It was the transitory ministry of condemnation and death that has no glory now.
The letter kills but the spirit gives life.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—
not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone,
came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses
because of its glory, transitory though it was,
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?
9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious,
how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
11 And if what was transitory came with glory,
how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

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St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Everyone has their own supernatural experience by divine heart revelation.

Agree.
So, let's not assume that anyone is lost for all time.
It just means their time has not yet come.

Before God spoke to me, at the tender age of eight, all I knew was the religion of Christianity.
I had been raised in the religion and assumed I was "in". My concern for the other kids around me
was that some of them weren't raised in the religion. Which inferred to me that they weren't "saved".
There I was, looking around, which I was not supposed to do. (I've always been a problem child) - LOL

God tapped me on the shoulder, so to speak and clearly asked,
"If you think it's so important, why haven't you done it?"

Was I lost before that point? Or was it simply my turn?
God reached out to me at that moment in time, as He had always planned to.
He had been holding me in the palm of His hand waiting for the right moment.

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St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Ritajanice said:
That to me means so in Christ all will be made alive......made alive in their spirit...when it becomes Born Again....it doesn’t say the whole world will become Born Again ...or made alive in Christ .

That's a common response.
It clearly says that all die (present tense) and that all will be made alive. (future tense)
Are not those in Christ ALREADY alive? Who are the others that will be made alive?

Here's a better explanation. Salvation for all of humankind is in the hands of the two Adams.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

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Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
Agree.
So, let's not assume that anyone is lost for all time.
It just means their time has not yet come.

Before God spoke to me, at the tender age of eight, all I knew was the religion of Christianity.
I had been raised in the religion and assumed I was "in". My concern for the other kids around me
was that some of them weren't raised in the religion. Which inferred to me that they weren't "saved".
There I was, looking around, which I was not supposed to do. (I've always been a problem child) - LOL

God tapped me on the shoulder, so to speak and clearly asked,
"If you think it's so important, why haven't you done it?"

Was I lost before that point? Or was it simply my turn?
God reached out to me at that moment in time, as He had always planned to.
He had been holding me in the palm of His hand waiting for the right moment.

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I’m just going by the inspired word..where Jesus explains to Nicodemas that we must be Born Of The Spirit .

I 100% understand what Jesus explains to Nicodemas, because that is how I became Born Of The Spirit...it came by Living supernatural divine heart revelation...delivered straight to my heart...mind Blowing.

I have no idea who will become Born Of The Spirit or who will be in Gods Kingdom.

I haven’t a clue...those who argue over it until the cows come home, trying to prove what?

Been there done all that..I’m on my own journey with God...I am obedient to his calling, haven’t always been.

My Living testimony of the Spirit who indwells my heart...I have submitted my will over to him and must confess out of my mouth that God is a mighty Living Spirit...who births our spirit supernaturally and by the mighty power of His Living Spirit...

I’m not interested in arguing over who becomes Born Again or not..I just know that God wants none to perish.

Just my testimony/ belief/ thoughts.

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
That's a common response.
It clearly says that all die (present tense) and that all will be made alive. (future tense)
Are not those in Christ ALREADY alive? Who are the others that will be made alive?

What do you mean, a common response?

It came from my heart...your spirit must be made Alive in Christ...when it’s been birthed..

What do you mean those in Christ Already?

Your spirit must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

It seems you understand one way..I understand another...I can’t believe as you do...I can only believe what has been testified to my spirit, by the Living Spirit who indwells my heart.

Where do you think our spirit knowledge comes from?

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Yes, sin came into the world by the first Adam.

Life came into the world, by the second Adam.....all people imo, doesn’t mean everyone...it means “ ALL” that the Father gives to the Son.

It’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus...that our spirit can become Born Of The Spirit.

Like I explained...you understand God one way..I understand God The way he speaks to my heart..

I’m not here to say who will see the Kingdom Of God...because I don’t know..

Why we all keep arguing over this, is beyond me..you can’t believe, what you haven’t received.

Ritajanice · Mar 23, 2025

St. SteVen said:
Here's a better explanation. Salvation for all of humankind is in the hands of the two Adams.

Salvation is in the hands of God....he sent Jesus, so that all can be reconciled back to the Father...” All” that the Father gives to the Son.

I’m not going to keep going back and forth with this..,I’ve posted what I believe...why would I keep trying to force onto another what I believe?

Been there done that...moved on from all that silly ridiculous nonsense...which is unedifying and unfruitful..

What is it in us that keeps forcing others to believe what we believe ..some say it’s Of God,..I say it’s Of self, pride and ego..

St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
I’m just going by the inspired word..where Jesus explains to Nicodemas that we must be Born Of The Spirit .

I 100% understand what Jesus explains to Nicodemas, because that is how I became Born Of The Spirit...it came by Living supernatural divine heart revelation...delivered straight to my heart...mind Blowing.

LOL
Did you realize that you just played "the God card"?
"I’m just going by the inspired word.." - Ritajanice
As if that should end the discussion.
Not your intention though. (I don't think)

I know you are becoming weary in all the back and forth.
You even bowed out at one point, but have continued to engage.

The discussion between Nicodemus and Jesus was unique
mostly because of who was in the meeting. IMHO

Jesus introduced something that was missing in Judaism.
Judaism had declined to a relationship with the law.
Good Jews kept the law (supposedly), bad Jews did not.

Jesus introduced a relationship with God through the transforming Spirit.
Spiritual rebirth.

In a sense, this was preparatory for what was coming at Pentecost.
I think it had less to do with salvation than evangelicals make it out to be.

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St. SteVen · Mar 23, 2025

Ritajanice said:
Like I explained...you understand God one way..I understand God The way he speaks to my heart..

What do you conclude about that?
- Is one of us right and the other wrong?
- Are we both right?
- Are we both wrong?

Does God speaking to your heart tell you that I am wrong? (the God card)

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