Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

Mink57 · Mar 16, 2025

Naomanos said:
Looks like I learned something new today, thank you!

People should be open to learning new things and not assume what they think they know is completely correct.

The link has some interesting and logical commentary on Ephesians 5:21, 22. It's a bit of a read, but I think worth it.

2. The Grammar of Ephesians 5:21-22: A Missing Verb? - Marg Mowczko

There is no "submit" word in Eph. 5:22 in the 2 oldest Greek manuscripts.

margmowczko.com

Wrangler · Mar 16, 2025

Wynona said:
I'm convinced arguing can worsen our spirits.

Ritajanice said:
Arguing distances me from the Spirit of God

Keep in mind that we are commanded to contend for the faith without being contentious. That’s the trick.

We are commanded to bring people to Christ, which necessarily means interacting with people who are out of the Spirit and even enemies of God. This can only be done when our Spirit, which houses the Spirit of God, influences them. When we feel their ungodly spirit influencing us, tempting us to take away our peace, it’s a sign to back off.

I once made a table for my teenage sister of escalating conflict. There is such a thing as logical argument, which is not imbued with emotional intensity. An intellectual disagreement is different from a conflict, which is imbued with deep rooted emotional intensity.

Our friends who have not triumphed over feminism do not realize they have embraced a contentious spirit along with accepting an evil ideology. This thread should be a celebration of triumphing of good over evil. The contentious spirit confuses good for evil - and woe to them.

Imagine if this thread was about triumphing over drug addiction, poverty, or a fatal disease. Those with a contentious spirit are arguing there is something good in these evils! @Mink57 cannot even recognize the sacrament of killing babies is evil. That is how lost they are. Should we argue or shake the dust from our feet and leave them to their fate?

TLHKAJ · Mar 16, 2025

Wynona said:
I'm convinced arguing can worsen our spirits. In 1 Cor, I read that strife is a work of the flesh that can keep us from inheriting the Kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 2:24

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24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

If I can't be gentle or patient. I think it's better if I don't respond to every post.

Amen. That is precisely why I do not respond to every post. But sister, I do care about you. I commend you for your heart to be the wife God intends you to be. Just examine your heart, your motives, etc ...before the Lord, not before men (or women). This thread has been the instrument of separation, a vehicle of divisive and hate filled words hurled at people who have had very different life experiences. No love has been promoted here. (Please, let us all consider our own motives, not stand in condemnation and finger pointing of others.)

Every woman has not had your experience, nor your same motives (as you say, you were selfish, self-seeking, rebellious, contentious, etc). There are many woman who didn't enter marriage with that attitude. I am one. I always, from a small child ... even with all the trauma I had ....wanted to be a wife, a mother of many children (and to love and care for aaaaall the abandoned and hurting children and babies in the world) ...and a veterinarian, and an artist. Those were my heart desires as a child.

So I met a man in church and we got married, and we had children ...and I was happily submissive. There is a LOT I could say here that wouldn't be understood by 99% of readers. But... things didn't turn out to be in line with God's will.

I am NOT saying that I decided one day that he wasn't the man God wanted me to marry and I decided to leave him. No. I am saying, his involvement with the cult placed myself and our children in extreme danger. This was not God's design for a marriage.

I never divorced him. I did physically separate from him for my safety, but more so for our children's safety, and that of our soon-to-be-born granddaughter. He was (and is) more loyal to his role in the cult than to his wife. He was (and is) too fearful of his handlers to go against them. He has been (one of) the instrument/s through which they have sent many, many threats ...some of which have been carried out (by the cult). (Among the worst, my granddaughter was stolen, and my youngest son is with the Lord.)

Sometimes, standing for Christ means standing in opposition even to one's husband ... who they hoped would be that ideal, Godly, Christ-centered marriage they always desired. Sometimes, one has to choose Christ above even their husband. But my taking a stand for freedom was also for him. He needed, and needs to see that choosing freedom is a choice for Christ and is worth every bit of suffering that comes with it. So in my love for him, I choose freedom ...and hope and pray he will too someday.

From a distance, I have prayed for him. So far, no changes. I still choose Christ. But this separation has meant I have to do many things on my own, apart from him. This is not "feminism." It's a consequence of brokenness, and of a man who has not chosen to stand with Christ alongside his wife (and children) ...against our enemies.

Again, not every woman is the same as you. And regardless of those "men" in here who like to toss around the words "feminist, liberal, rebellious, contentious" ...those do not apply to me. I know where God has brought me from. I know He loves and cares for me. He has been my covering. He has kept me through many things. I have contended against satan himself by the power and grace of God. I have rebelled against the satanic cult and their plans for me. And I am feminine ...and happy to be! I am a woman ...and no less a woman because of what was done to me. I am liberated, free in Christ (as all men and women who serve Christ are) ...liberated from the plans of the enemy, from sin and death through the blood of Jesus Christ!

Wynona · Mar 16, 2025

TLHKAJ said:
Amen. That is precisely why I do not respond to every post. But sister, I do care about you. I commend you for your heart to be the wife God intends you to be. Just examine your heart, your motives, etc ...before the Lord, not before men (or women). This thread has been the instrument of separation, a vehicle of divisive and hate filled words hurled at people who have had very different life experiences. No love has been promoted here. (Please, let us all consider our own motives, not stand in condemnation and finger pointing of others.)

Every woman has not had your experience, nor your same motives (as you say, you were selfish, self-seeking, rebellious, contentious, etc). There are many woman who didn't enter marriage with that attitude. I am one. I always, from a small child ... even with all the trauma I had ....wanted to be a wife, a mother of many children (and to love and care for aaaaall the abandoned and hurting children and babies in the world) ...and a veterinarian, and an artist. Those were my heart desires as a child.

So I met a man in church and we got married, and we had children ...and I was happily submissive. There is a LOT I could say here that wouldn't be understood by 99% of readers. But... things didn't turn out to be in line with God's will.

I am NOT saying that I decided one day that he wasn't the man God wanted me to marry and I decided to leave him. No. I am saying, his involvement with the cult placed myself and our children in extreme danger. This was not God's design for a marriage.

I never divorced him. I did physically separate from him for my safety, but more so for our children's safety, and that of our soon-to-be-born granddaughter. He was (and is) more loyal to his role in the cult than to his wife. He was (and is) too fearful of his handlers to go against them. He has been (on of) the instrument/s through which they have sent many, many threats ...some of which have been carried out (by the cult). (Among the worst, my granddaughter was stolen, and my youngest son is with the Lord.)

Sometimes, standing for Christ means standing in opposition even to one's husband ... who they hoped would be that ideal, Godly, Christ-centered marriage they always desired. Sometimes, one has to choose Christ above even their husband. But my taking a stand for freedom was also for him. He needed, and needs to see that choosing freedom is a choice for Christ and is worth every bit of suffering that comes with it. So in my love for him, I choose freedom ...and hope and pray he will too someday.

From a distance, I have prayed for him. So far, no changes. I still choose Christ. But this separation has meant I have to do many things on my own, apart from him. This is not "feminism." It's a consequence of brokenness, and of a man who has not chosen to stand with Christ alongside his wife (and children) ...against our enemies.

Again, not every woman is the same as you. And regardless of those "men" in here who like to toss around the words "feminist, liberal, rebellious, contentious" ...those do not apply to me. I know where God has brought me from. I know He loves and cares for me. He has been my covering. He has kept me through many things. I have contended against satan himself by the power and grace of God. I have rebelled against the satanic cult and their plans for me. And I am feminine ...and happy to be! I am a woman ...and no less a woman because of what was done to me. I am liberated, free in Christ (as all men and women who serve Christ are) ...liberated from the plans of the enemy, from sin and death through the blood of Jesus Christ!

I do understand that there are different situations than mine. Some men refuse to step up and become what God wants them to be. And I respect women who can stand alone after a disastrous marriage.

A lot of what I say relates to the context of an average marriage. God doesn't necessarily owe us a marriage thats happy or without difficulty. And I don't believe in clinging to a husband at all costs because that can be idolizing the husband.

I target the feminist dogma of "worry about your independence first and marriage later" because it caused me to go in the marriage in a defensive 'dont you dare take advantage of me' attitude that made me constantly power struggle with my husband and made him feel insecure of our commitment.

I have a huge issue with feminism's "you can have it all" mentality because in reality, you can't.

MA2444 · Mar 16, 2025

Naomanos said:
What about verse 21 right before 22, you know, where it says submit to one another?

Just because you would become a wife, it doesn’t mean that verse 21 disappears. It is still there.

There were no paragraph breaks when the scriptures were written and verse 21 went with verse 22. Some Bibles today thankfully keep the verses together and don’t have them separated.

Well it sure doesnt mean that Women are the boss of the man. Take it within the Marriage context and not for out in public or some other exaggerated grasp at usurping power over the man, lol. Only when the two are alone does that come into play.

Mink57 · Mar 16, 2025

Wrangler said:
@Mink57 cannot even recognize the sacrament of killing babies is evil.

What the.....?????

Please show me in ALL of my posts where I EVER thought that killing babies is NOT evil???????

This is HOW you put words in my mouth!!!

You are so arrogantly convinced that ALL feminists think the same way. Doesn't even occur to you that one can be a feminist...and NOT subscribe to ALL thinking that you associate with feminism! I can be a Republican or a Democrat... and NOT believe in everything that other Republicans or Democrats believe. Even as a Christian, not ALL Christians believe the same way.

But just so you know, yes, I associate with MUCH of feminist ideology.
And yes, I am also against killing babies!!!

Naomanos · Mar 16, 2025

MA2444 said:
Well it sure doesnt mean that Women are the boss of the man. Take it within the Marriage context and not for out in public or some other exaggerated grasp at usurping power over the man, lol. Only when the two are alone does that come into play.

I don’t take advice from someone who slaps his girlfriend or uses any type of physical violence against a woman.

And just so you know I mean what I say, my ex-wife was physically abusive with me three times. Twice she slapped me across the face and once she tried to strangle me. Never, did I hit her in retaliation or use physical violence against her.

TLHKAJ · Mar 16, 2025

Naomanos said:
I don’t take advice from someone who slaps his girlfriend or uses any type of physical violence against a woman.

And just so you know I mean what I say, my ex-wife was physically abusive with me three times. Twice she slapped me across the face and once she tried to strangle me. Never, did I hit her in retaliation or use physical violence against her.

You are one amazingly strong man who I can say I am blessed to have met here on this forum. She will always remember that your strength was expressed in love and restraint.... God will use it. God bless you.

Wynona · Mar 16, 2025

Women, Christian or not, are no longer taught that being a devoted wife is a ministry.

Ministry is not just all about pastoring and being up in front of a church.

The ministry of a wife is one of showing reverence and respect, being a lover, being submissive, serving to make your husband's life easier, raising his children well.

This ministry is rewarded by God. It is a lot of work in itself. That's why trying to balance career with marriage is so difficult.

I definitely was told all the time growing up to not worry about men and to go get that bag. That did nothing to prepare me for being a wife.

Mink57 · Mar 16, 2025

MA2444 said:
Well it sure doesnt mean that Women are the boss of the man. Take it within the Marriage context and not for out in public or some other exaggerated grasp at usurping power over the man, lol. Only when the two are alone does that come into play.

But it doesn't mean that men are the boss of women, either.

Mink57 · Mar 16, 2025

Wynona said:
Women, Christian or not, are no longer taught that being a devoted wife is a ministry.

Maybe because men, Christian or not, were NEVER taught that being a devoted husband is also a ministry.

Wynona said:
Ministry is not just all about pastoring and being up in front of a church.

The ministry of a wife is one of showing reverence and respect, being a lover, being submissive, serving to make your husband's life easier, raising his children well.

And isn't the ministry of a husband the same toward his wife?

HIS children???

Wynona said:
This ministry is rewarded by God. It is a lot of work in itself. That's why trying to balance career with marriage is so difficult.

Difficult for SOME. Not ALL.

Wynona said:
I definitely was told all the time growing up to not worry about men and to go get that bag. That did nothing to prepare me for being a wife.

How can you become 'prepared' for being a wife?

Wynona · Mar 16, 2025

Mink57 said:
How can you become 'prepared' for being a wife?

Our premarital counseling was a joke. The pastor's daughter who wasn't married herself did it because the pastor didn't want to. Apparently he's not a fan of interracial couples.

I wouldve been better prepared practicallly with skills to run a household.

Spiritually, I wish I had been taught that all Christians are to serve, not just servant hearted ones. Chores and daily tasks are great opportunities to serve.

I also wish Id been taught more from Genesis 2 for the helpmate teaching,(no 50/50 partnerships) Titus 2:3-5 for the keepers at home teaching Id never heard and Ephesians 5.

I probably would have resisted some of the teaching. Its not as if I parted ways with feminism over night. But at least I wouldve had more truth to wrestle with.

TLHKAJ · Mar 16, 2025

Wynona said:
Women, Christian or not, are no longer taught that being a devoted wife is a ministry.

Sis, do you not remember me counseling you in this some 7 years ago? I told you then that leaving your husband was not from God outside of adultery, fornication, or abuse/danger to your life. I counseled you to pray for your husband and I specifically told you that your marriage is a ministry. (I still have the emails.)

Wrangler · Mar 16, 2025

Mink57 said:
Mark 10:18: "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."

The idea that obeying the will of God is equally bad to rebelling against God is outrageous. But we know that is your level of discernment.

Your quote has to be reconciled with That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” Romans 4:22

Mink57 · Mar 16, 2025

Wrangler said:
The idea that obeying the will of God is equally bad to rebelling against God is outrageous. But we know that is your level of discernment.

Your quote has to be reconciled with That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” Romans 4:22

Obeying the Will of God isn't the same as obeying the will of MEN.

Try paying more attention to Jesus' words and God's words than to the words of men.

Wynona · Mar 16, 2025

TLHKAJ said:
Sis, do you not remember me counseling you in this some 7 years ago? I told you then that leaving your husband was not from God outside of adultery, fornication, or abuse/danger to your life. I counseled you to pray for your husband and I specifically told you that your marriage is a ministry. (I still have the emails.)

Sorry, I have terrible memory. It's nothing against you personally. You and Butero were telling me that.

TLHKAJ · Mar 16, 2025

Wynona said:
Sorry, I have terrible memory. It's nothing against you personally. You and Butero were telling me that.

I believe you.

Wynona · Mar 16, 2025

TLHKAJ said:
Sis, do you not remember me counseling you in this some 7 years ago? I told you then that leaving your husband was not from God outside of adultery, fornication, or abuse/danger to your life. I counseled you to pray for your husband and I specifically told you that your marriage is a ministry. (I still have the emails.)

Unfortunately I did leave him for a while that time.

I can't overstate how justified I felt in doing so.

It wasn't until things came to a crossroads that I began changing my thinking about my own marriage.

Naomanos · Mar 16, 2025

TLHKAJ said:
You are one amazingly strong man who I can say I am blessed to have met here on this forum. She will always remember that your strength was expressed in love and restraint.... God will use it. God bless you.

Thank you!

Wynona · Mar 16, 2025

TLHKAJ said:
I believe you.

Thank you for being a voice of reason in my life. I had so few at the time.

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