Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

MA2444 said:

I see that happen right here on this board! and what i noticed about them is how arrogant they are about it and very stoic that, God told me this or whatever.

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There is another way of looking at these you have mentioned. One, we forgive them for they know not what they do.

Also for us to be open minded as you say and learn from God in them, speaking to and through them.

We don't want to mistake human arrogance for godly boldness and confidence either.

Runningman said:

The idea you have provided falls apart when the name Melchizedek is taken into consideration.

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How so?

Dan Clarkston said:

"We" don't use the latin version.

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Au contraire - "Jesus" is the Latin version of His name.

Dan Clarkston said:

God's Word was written in Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT)

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יֵשׁוּעַ is the Hebrew version of His name. Ἰησοῦς is the Greek version. You used either of those recently?

Wick Stick said:

Au contraire - "Jesus" is the Latin version of His name.

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Au contraire - b efore the latin version came along they were calling Him Jesus

Wick Stick said:

יֵשׁוּעַ is the Hebrew version of His name. Ἰησοῦς is the Greek version. You used either of those recently?

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No, I'm not hebrew nor am I greek.... so I call Him Jesus


2424. Iésous
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Iésous: Jesus

Original Word: Ἰησοῦς
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous
Pronunciation: ee-ay-soos'
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Definition: Jesus
Meaning: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.

Word Origin: Derived from the Hebrew name יְהוֹשׁוּעַ (Yehoshua), which is a combination of יְהוָה (YHWH, the name of God) and יָשַׁע (yasha, meaning "to save" or "to deliver").

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H3091 - יְהוֹשׁוּעַ (Yehoshua): The Hebrew origin of the name Jesus, meaning "Yahweh is salvation."

Usage: The name Iésous is used in the New Testament to refer to Jesus Christ, the central figure of Christianity, believed to be the Son of God and the Savior of humanity. The name signifies "Yahweh is salvation" or "Yahweh saves," reflecting Jesus' role in the divine plan of redemption.

2424 Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").

"Jesus Christ" is properly "Jesus the Christ." "Jesus" (2424 /Iēsoús) is His human name, as the incarnate, eternal Son of God (Mt 1:21,25, see also Lk 1:31) – the Christ, the divine Messiah (the second Person of the holy Trinity).

[Christ (His title) means "the Anointed One" (the eternal pre-incarnate, Logos, Jn 1:1-18).]

MA2444 said:

I see that happen right here on this board! and what i noticed about them is how arrogant they are about it and very stoic that, God told me this or whatever.

I was thinking about that and other people are arrogant also. Most of those who write things that are wrong (Like in the pretrib/posttrib rapture debates!) they are very arrogant about it. So I pondered on arrogance. Why are they arrogant? Where does arrogance come from? What is it? Arrogance is being stoic about the issue and disrespectful to their interlocutor.

That all indicates a closed mind and being unable to consider alternative viewpoints. Making it hard to learn, or impossible. It's also the arrogant ones insecurity and self desire to want to elevate oneself among others...and never be wrong! Soo...Christian topics? Oh well God told me that! to sound convincing.

Wisdom means being able to have the responsibility to own it when one is wrong. Man learns from his mistakes! So a lack of accountability and responsibility is also present.

Now it took me awhile but I dedicated myself into being able to perceive and hear the still small voice of God and I did learn how, ok? (and have learned many things since then!) and when the Lord speaks, he will never ever contradict anything in scripture. And me and the Lord talked a lot and I learned things and I had the desire to share these things sometimes, but I discovered real quick that, Coming across like, thus sayeth the Lord...can be tacky! So I shyed away from that for awhile and I didnt want to sound arrogant or anything so I stopped. But then I thought about how time is short for us on earth and so I should share what some of what the Lord shares with me because the time is coming and indeed is already here, when man must worship God in spirit and in truth, right? And the Lord told me that He wants for all of His people to be able to hear His still small voice and to obey immediately. But these arrogant christians have not heard the still small voice of God, they are stuck in an old time white picket fence , namby pamby type of christianity where they look only to doctrine. One can not read the word of God carnally, it just dont work. And these people need to ponder these things and get closer in their relationship to God and that is so important to learn that, I go ahead and say it, the Lord told me that...(whatever) and if they scoff or do not believe me...perhaps some with ears to hear may be helped by this truth

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About all i can say is THIS GENERATOIN is not going to make it . I am off to go weep for a while .

Dan Clarkston said:

Au contraire - b efore the latin version came along they were calling Him Jesus





No, I'm not hebrew nor am I greek.... so I call Him Jesus


2424. Iésous
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Iésous: Jesus

Original Word: Ἰησοῦς
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous
Pronunciation: ee-ay-soos'
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Definition: Jesus
Meaning: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.

Word Origin: Derived from the Hebrew name יְהוֹשׁוּעַ (Yehoshua), which is a combination of יְהוָה (YHWH, the name of God) and יָשַׁע (yasha, meaning "to save" or "to deliver").

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H3091 - יְהוֹשׁוּעַ (Yehoshua): The Hebrew origin of the name Jesus, meaning "Yahweh is salvation."

Usage: The name Iésous is used in the New Testament to refer to Jesus Christ, the central figure of Christianity, believed to be the Son of God and the Savior of humanity. The name signifies "Yahweh is salvation" or "Yahweh saves," reflecting Jesus' role in the divine plan of redemption.

2424 Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").

"Jesus Christ" is properly "Jesus the Christ." "Jesus" (2424 /Iēsoús) is His human name, as the incarnate, eternal Son of God (Mt 1:21,25, see also Lk 1:31) – the Christ, the divine Messiah (the second Person of the holy Trinity).

[Christ (His title) means "the Anointed One" (the eternal pre-incarnate, Logos, Jn 1:1-18).]

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Can you just make sense, please?

You post here boils down to - "you're wrong! (brings forward quotes proving me right)"

Wick Stick said:

Au contraire - "Jesus" is the Latin version of His name.

יֵשׁוּעַ is the Hebrew version of His name. Ἰησοῦς is the Greek version. You used either of those recently?

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Wow, Wicky can copy and paste Hebrew and Greek!

MA2444 said:

I see that happen right here on this board! and what i noticed about them is how arrogant they are about it and very stoic that, God told me this or whatever.

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amigo de christo said:

Do you realize how many can make the cliam they hear from Christ .

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I guess in not about to spend too much time or energy trying to determine what's wheat and what's tares.

I'll let them grow up together and see what they become. Their fruit will define them I guess.

We might unknowingly find ourself fighting against God Himself, or one of His agents sent to do bad, like being a lying spirit to ensure a king is killed.

Do not resist an evil man, Jesus said. Bless those who curse you. Give to those who do bad stuff. Pray for them. In fact love your neighbour.

Love is patient, love is kind, love does not keep a record of wrong. Love is such a beautiful thing to give and to receive. We love God because He first loved us. Now that's cool.

One 2 question said:

Love is patient, love is kind, love does not keep a record of wrong. Love is such a beautiful thing to give and to receive. We love God because He first loved us. Now that's cool.

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And love does not reject the Christian Bible! That's what those who forsake Jesus do!

One 2 question said:

I guess in not about to spend too much time or energy trying to determine what's wheat and what's tares.

I'll let them grow up together and see what they become. Their fruit will define them I guess.

We might unknowingly find ourself fighting against God Himself, or one of His agents sent to do bad, like being a lying spirit to ensure a king is killed.

Do not resist an evil man, Jesus said. Bless those who curse you. Give to those who do bad stuff. Pray for them. In fact love your neighbour.

Love is patient, love is kind, love does not keep a record of wrong. Love is such a beautiful thing to give and to receive. We love God because He first loved us. Now that's cool.

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That's fine to do but you're still just trying to be politically correct. But God Bless You though!

One 2 question said:

I guess in not about to spend too much time or energy trying to determine what's wheat and what's tares.

I'll let them grow up together and see what they become. Their fruit will define them I guess.

We might unknowingly find ourself fighting against God Himself, or one of His agents sent to do bad, like being a lying spirit to ensure a king is killed.

Do not resist an evil man, Jesus said. Bless those who curse you. Give to those who do bad stuff. Pray for them. In fact love your neighbour.

Love is patient, love is kind, love does not keep a record of wrong. Love is such a beautiful thing to give and to receive. We love God because He first loved us. Now that's cool.

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I already know you are fighting against GOD .
How so . You sure seem to resist His inspired words
and lean rather on a wordly version of love . You do realize that even satan himself
can quoate scrips , can even say GOD is love
can even say such things and yet produced a version of love
that came of the world , NOT GOD .
I been watching you my friend . YOU are an inclusivian .
Lets see what version of LOVE you follow my friend .
IS it the kind of love that dont hate its neighbor but rather CORRECTS THEM and does not allow sin upon them .
OR is the kinda love that says Judge not , just hug , just stay silent
IS it the kind of love that USES the phrase GOD is love
and yet implies that because GOD is love that means it dont matter if one believes or not they wont perish .
You see satan knows how to decieve . and you can bet he gonna make it seem okay to be in sin
and even in unbelief .
The right way to speak is to say , GOD IS LOVE , GOD desires the death of none
SO , SO ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON so that all who do beleive WOULD NOT PERISH , WOULD NOT DIE .
JESUS dont hold rainbows , korans or any other religious mindset . HE BE TRUTH . and i so highly suggest
FOLKS get in the bible and learn SOME TRUTH for themselves .

One 2 question said:

We might unknowingly find ourself fighting against God Himself,

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Like when you forsook the Bible because you heard voices? And now you believe in Gods and Creators?

amigo de christo said:

I already know you are fighting against GOD .
How so . You sure seem to resist His inspired words
and lean rather on a wordly version of love . You do realize that even satan himself
can quoate scrips , can even say GOD is love
can even say such things and yet produced a version of love
that came of the world , NOT GOD .
I been watching you my friend . YOU are an inclusivian .
Lets see what version of LOVE you follow my friend .
IS it the kind of love that dont hate its neighbor but rather CORRECTS THEM and does not allow sin upon them .
OR is the kinda love that says Judge not , just hug , just stay silent
IS it the kind of love that USES the phrase GOD is love
and yet implies that because GOD is love that means it dont matter if one believes or not they wont perish .
You see satan knows how to decieve . and you can bet he gonna make it seem okay to be in sin
and even in unbelief .
The right way to speak is to say , GOD IS LOVE , GOD desires the death of none
SO , SO ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON so that all who do beleive WOULD NOT PERISH , WOULD NOT DIE .
JESUS dont hold rainbows , korans or any other religious mindset . HE BE TRUTH . and i so highly suggest
FOLKS get in the bible and learn SOME TRUTH for themselves .

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I still don't know why all these assumptions about what my practices are, how I live my life, the fruit I bear in my everyday life with Christ, our Father and Their accompanying Spirit Who Jesus promised Father would send to make us His home.

This Jesus Who died because He loved the world, which includes me, continues to express His love as He redeems people from every nation, every tribe on earth.

Who these individuals are I don't know. But I continue to love my neighbour and pray for them ask the Spirit to open their eyes which Satsn has blinded. That the beautiful news of Christ's love will become irresistible, drawing all men unto Himself.

St. SteVen said:

Probably because it upsets the status quo.

The (potential) Treachery of Doctrine > My way, or the highway >

Follow-up to the topic: The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality Got it all figured out? - You read the Bible cover-to-cover. Good for you. Kudos. - You read up on doctrine and apologetics. Good. - You arrived at a position on nearly any biblical topic, or doctrine. Check. - Now you...

www.christianityboard.com

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Interesting that you support someone who totally rejects the Bible! No surprise whatsoever! You have a lot in common. Christians don't reject the Bible.

Jack said:

Interesting that you support someone who totally rejects the Bible! No surprise whatsoever! You have a lot in common. Christians don't reject the Bible.

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I love my Father's words which He gives to mankind. If I understand you correctly, what you are objecting to and challenging me on is that I have been gaining the words of God, from God from an additional means besides the bible.

To me it is the same Original Source, the mind of Jesus's Father.

One 2 question said:

I love my Father's words which He gives to mankind. If I understand you correctly, what you are objecting to and challenging me on is that I have been gaining the words of God, from God from an additional means besides the bible.

To me it is the same Original Source, the mind of Jesus's Father.

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You shouldn't have forsaken God of the Bible!

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy,

Amen Jesus!

One 2 question said:

I love my Father's words which He gives to mankind. If I understand you correctly, what you are objecting to and challenging me on is that I have been gaining the words of God, from God from an additional means besides the bible.

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You gain heart knowledge from the Living Spirit, therefore Born Of The Spirit...seek him out with all of your heart daily, as that is where you will find him,...which I can see that you do...

One 2 question said:

To me it is the same Original Source, the mind of Jesus's Father.

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You are being conformed into the image of Jesus...you bear the fruit of the Spirit.....Jesus said that we will know them by their fruit.

Lovely to see that you are growing in spiritual maturity...the Bible confirms what we hear from the Living Spirit.....

You are seeking God out with your heart, we are also to Love God with all our heart, mind and soul,as I can see that you do...Praise God for divine heart revelation, Born Again of His Living imperishable seed, which is the biggest Honour and Privilege that we can receive, a spirit child of God...Flesh gives birth to flesh....Spirit gives birth to spirit.

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

One 2 question said:

Absolutely. Whether God's word is spoken directly to humans as Moses documented when God spoke to Adam and Eve. Or through a donkey. By His creation. Through prophets, teachers, evangelists in the church. We know God speaks directly in dreams and visions.

God spoke to people audibly from heaven which they heard on earth. There were a number of accounts of these. How often Jesus's Father spoke in this way I don't know.

Many things were documented of what God spoke. Yet most of what God spoke have not been written down.

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Hi One2 one...does God speak to you in an audible voice?

He speaks to me through my conscience/ spirit, then what I hear from him, I check with his inspired word, ...also when you go out, do you meet different people along the way, the Spirit often brings me lonely people to speak to, they tell me their stories, ...

I worship God in spirit, I refer to his inspired word, his word confirms how we grow to become more and more like Jesus , even in our thinking, ..hence the renewing of our minds, that too is confirmed in His inspired word.

Isn’t it wonderful when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, even more so when we can ignore all the tactics of the enemy....he wants us all arguing...so happy to see that you remain in the Spirit, you are a real encouragement and inspiration.....I can see and feel your heart and Love that you have for our Father God...

One 2 question said:

I am very aware and have very intentionally taken the path I'm on. The Shepherd Jesus has been leading me. I love Him and therefore I love the path we are on together.

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Music to my ears, you have a Living Spiritual relationship with God, hence being Born Of The Spirit, I have found for me, that it has taken many years for the Spirit to develop my spiritual eyes and ears...remember that enemy knows our weaknesses... the Spirit has also brought me to understand that everything is done in His strength, I have to wait on his strength.....without his Spirit I am nothing and can do nothing....that has been a really hard lesson to learn....submit to the Spirit.....there is nothing good in the flesh..

Glorify the Living God...that is our calling...The Spirit is Alive and Active etc.....he knows the intents of the heart, he knows our hearts more than we know them ourselves, always come to God with sincerity of heart.