Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
There you go!
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Yep, that's Jesus! Col 1
The Word ( Who is God) was with God. So at least 2 Gods were present at the creation.
No wonder you stopped reading the Bible!

1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
 
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have you heard that wicked phrase yet that more and more use .
OH when it comes between LOVE and THE BIBLE , we choose LOVE .
talk about a delusion .
THEY may as well be saying
when it comes to what our god tells us is love
and what the GOD who inspired TRUTH says , WE choose our god , NOT THE GOD . that is a fact friend .
Many dont realize that satan can say GOD is LOVE and yet as always he gonna bring twisted versions of love
and those versions of his love WILL AND DO CONTRADICT GOD and HIS LOVE , HIS TRUTH.
Yet charity REJOICES IN THE TRUTH . they just cannot see my friend . they just cannot see .
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I could quote scripture to you but I perceive that it would not matter.

You probably have been trained in the arts of Bible manipulation (it’s a huge problem these days).
There are quite a few scrips you could quoate . but he already quoated one of them and acted as if it was a lie .
But here is another reminder of what GOD does and ALLOWS .
The ten kings
GOD puts it INTO their hearts to agree and GIVE their kingdom unto the beast .
GOD does as HE does .
But its due to what JESUS once said . HOW often would i have gathered thee , ONLY YE WOULD NOT .
man reaps what he sows too my freind . And though GOD desired not the death of the wicked
but rather their repentance , WELL if one repents not , THEY be destroyed .
 

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Out of interest, are you saying that God gave consented to a spirit to be a lying spirit?

You're not saying that God did it are you. He just had one of His spirit's do His dirty work for Him.

Next thing you'll be infering that it is God's will to hand someone over to Satan.

Or that God will send a strong delusion so that people will believe a lie.
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Next thing you'll be infering that it is God's will to hand someone over to satan.

Or that God will send a strong delusion so that people will believe a lie.

According to God's Word... people reap what they sow

It's people that cause themselves to be handed over to satan.
(be refusing to submit themselves to the Lord resisting the devil)

It's people that cause themselves to be under strong delusion
(by rejecting the whole counsel of God instead following doctrines of devils)
 

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That's a good point, but why did they also change Yeshua's name? His name isn't actually Jesus. Is it possible he hates being called that?
When a translation is made, usually names are NOT translated. Instead they're transliterated; the name is just spelled out in the new language as best as possible to sound the same.

When the Bible was written, the Lord's proper Hebrew name (יֵשׁוּעַ) was transliterated into Greek as Ἰησοῦς. When Latin became the lingua franca it was transliterated to that language as Iesus. Later, Latin grammar started using the J instead of the I at the beginning of words, and so we ended up with Jesus. This is not really a different name, but just the Latin version of the same.

Likewise, Yeshua is a transliteration into English.

I guess the real question is... why did we keep using the Latin version?
 
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That's a good point, but why did they also change Yeshua's name? His name isn't actually Jesus. Is it possible he hates being called that?

God never demands that gentiles start speaking Hebrew

Jesus is simply the greek translation of His Name in Hebrew

In other countries they use their own language for His Name and there is no evidence from scripture that the Lord is offended by that not is there commands to the Body of Christ to use His hebrew Name.

This stuff comes from the so called hebrew root movement where they are trying to put Christians back under the law of Moses... the Galatians did that and the Lord thru the Apostle Paul said they... had fallen from grace, meaning they were no longer saved.



So it would seem that the bible is a tool in his toolbox.

That he twists in order to deceive people and lead them away from the Lord.



I have been chosen to hang with King Jesus in His coming kingdom. So no fear of spending time in hell or the lake of fire. Yay!

As long as you continue in His goodness.... otherwise you will be cut off!

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

There's no such thing as so called "once saved always saved" or that God chose only a few to be saved and He created all others to burn in hell... both of which are doctrines of devils
 
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I made it my everything. Until it was revealed to me that it had become an idol.

Wow, so you think studying what God has said... is idolatry?
Sounds like a trick of the devil to get you to back away from God's Word.,

God and His Word cannot be separated... those that Love the Lord love what He says.... those that don't love the Lord don't love what He says.

You did know that Jesus IS.... God's Word, right?
 

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why did we keep using the Latin version?

"We" don't use the latin version.

God's Word was written in Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT)

During Jesus' earthly ministry...., Greek was the primary language of the entire world that most people spoke kinda like english is today



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The Book.... contains God's Word which cannot be separated from God

Those that don't love the Lord... they don't love what He says either.
 

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Those that really love the Lord.... also love what He has to say

God and His Word cannot be separated.

Those that do not love what God says.... don't love the Lord. View attachment 59706
Absolutely. Whether God's word is spoken directly to humans as Moses documented when God spoke to Adam and Eve. Or through a donkey. By His creation. Through prophets, teachers, evangelists in the church. We know God speaks directly in dreams and visions.

God spoke to people audibly from heaven which they heard on earth. There were a number of accounts of these. How often Jesus's Father spoke in this way I don't know.

Many things were documented of what God spoke. Yet most of what God spoke have not been written down.
 

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Absolutely. Whether God's word is spoken directly to humans as Moses documented when God spoke to Adam and Eve. Or through a donkey. By His creation. Through prophets, teachers, evangelists in the church. We know God speaks directly in dreams and visions.

God spoke to people audibly from heaven which they heard on earth. There were a number of accounts of these. How often Jesus's Father spoke in this way I don't know.

Many things were documented of what God spoke. Yet most of what God spoke have not been written down.
Who/what is your God? Those who reject the Bible are heading for Hell Fire that Jesus clearly warned us of.
 
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God and His Word cannot be separated... those that Love the Lord love what He says.... those that don't love the Lord don't love what He says.

You did know that Jesus IS.... God's Word, right?
Sure. Jesus, God's Word and His God (My God, My God why have You forsaken Me. Why call me good, there is none good but God alone), are not separated now.

So in my previous posts I have mentioned that I consult Jesus directly and He speaks to me as one of His sheep. I love Him and what He says.

What He says to me I have the privilege to share with others. Unless He tells me not to.
 

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Who/what is your God? Those who reject the Bible are heading for Hell Fire that Jesus clearly warned us of.
My God is my Creator, the Creator of all things. Who is Jesus's God, Who Jesus cried out to from His cross, My God My God!
 

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My God is my Creator,
You don't know who your God is??? You said there are "Creators". How many Gods do you have?
the Creator of all things.
Col 1 By Jesus all things were created. Jesus is God of the Bible.
Who is Jesus's God, Who Jesus cried out to from His cross, My God My God!
Jesus was quoting Scripture. You sure you read the Bible?

Psalm 22:1
1 My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
 

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There you go!

Yep, that's Jesus! Col 1

No wonder you stopped reading the Bible!

1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
So there are 2 Gods here. God and the Mediator God, Jesus.

Why is there a Mediator if man can go straight to the Mediator's God? Source?
 

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So there are 2 Gods here. God and the Mediator God, Jesus.

Why is there a Mediator if man can go straight to the Mediator's God? Source?
There's ONLY one God of the Bible!

1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
 
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So
You don't know who your God is??? You said there are "Creators". How many Gods do you have?

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created. Jesus is God of the Bible.

Jesus was quoting Scripture. You sure you read the Bible?

Psalm 22:1
1 My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
So Jesus wasn't talking to His Father, God, at this time? What was the relevance of Him saying this statement at such a critical time?

Moses documented God as saying this, Let Us make man in Our likeness. Who are the Us and Our
 

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So

So Jesus wasn't talking to His Father, God, at this time? What was the relevance of Him saying this statement at such a critical time?
Even your questions prove you know little about the Bible!

Many thought God was punishing Jesus.

Isaiah 53:4-5
4 We esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
 

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Wow, so you think studying what God has said... is idolatry?
I made the thing I was consulting (a book) my idol.

I now go straight to Jesus, His Father and Their Spirit Themselves. If They remind me what They have said previously then that's great. I have hundreds of pages of things They have spoken to me in the past. Some even contain God's words found in the bible.

God's creation is good He said. Yet some have been found to worship the creation not the Creators of it.

I worshiip the Creators and love Their words They speak. I live my life according to what They say. Its pretty simple really.
 
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