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Actually, I do not know why you are responding with these questions. How are they applicable to what I wrote?

Concerning the Commission along with the power of the Spirit, that was given to the apostles, that has already past. They were commissioned to spread the word of God, the gospel to the then known and extend of the world of nations, essentially under Rome, and they did.

Now, if you think that this Commission was not completed already, then when will it be completed, in every generation, as a constant perpetual cycle? To then be complete in every generation? I don't believe that was the intend at all. Besides, you can never know if you have 'hit all the places' in the last generation before the King transforms these heavens and earth anew. The intent was not to ensure that every living person/soul was aware of the gospel, like as a census count. It was to spread/light the gospel to all the earth so then it would be ignited with the gospel, and then spread on its own like a raging wildfire, by word of mouth, person to person. And this mission was accomplished.
Bravo - exactly what I think. In fact, things are easy. Why do we make it always so complicated?
 
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Actually, I do not know why you are responding with these questions. How are they applicable to what I wrote?

Concerning the Commission along with the power of the Spirit, that was given to the apostles, that has already past. They were commissioned to spread the word of God, the gospel to the then known and extend of the world of nations, essentially under Rome, and they did.

Now, if you think that this Commission was not completed already, then when will it be completed, in every generation, as a constant perpetual cycle? To then be complete in every generation? I don't believe that was the intend at all. Besides, you can never know if you have 'hit all the places' in the last generation before the King transforms these heavens and earth anew. The intent was not to ensure that every living person/soul was aware of the gospel, like as a census count. It was to spread/light the gospel to all the earth so then it would be ignited with the gospel, and then spread on its own like a raging wildfire, by word of mouth, person to person. And this mission was accomplished.
Actually the gospel of the apostles is not a thing of the past
It is very present .Proof of which I've witnessed myself having received the gospel according to Mathew and after reading the gospel according to Mathew and believing ,I myself was baptized by God in his holy spirit.This took place Aug 31,1998.

I testify that I witnessed this verse being fulfilled to me in 1998 in north Caroline USA.

Mark 16:15-16​

He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.​

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned​



As stated ,I am witness of this.
 

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Actually the gospel of the apostles is not a thing of the past
It is very present .Proof of which I've witnessed myself having received the gospel according to Mathew and after reading the gospel according to Mathew and believing ,I myself was baptized by God in his holy spirit.This took place Aug 31,1998.

I testify that I witnessed this verse being fulfilled to me in 1998 in north Caroline USA.

Mark 16:15-16​

He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.​

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned​



As stated ,I am witness of this.
If you reconsider what I just said again, you must come to the conclusion the Commission and its purpose has no direct link with your conversion today. It is a byproduct (indirect effect) of its ignition started centuries back. You are evidence/witness that this fire s still bright and still burning today and you have been engulfed in it, Good for you!
 
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If you reconsider what I just said again, you must come to the conclusion the Commission and its purpose has no direct link with your conversion today. It is a byproduct (indirect effect) of its ignition started centuries back. You are evidence/witness that this fire s still bright and still burning today and you have bee engulfed in it, Good for you!
False.
My testimony is I received the gospel according to saint Mathew and was baptized by God in his holy spirit

You may not believe the gospel which I have posted but it is very true and my testimony is true.

Mathews testimony is still being recieved today and the same baptism which the Lord performed 2000 years ago is still being performed today.



There is a direct link between Mathew and his testimony which I received.
 

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Have you read the book.of revelation?

In the book of revelation,The city of Babylon reigns over the kings of the earth.Ten kings hate Babylon and burn Babylon with fire.These ten kings make war with the lamb of God and the lamb overcomes them because he is king of kings.

You say this has been fulfilled,I expect if it were you would be able to name those ten kings.So what are their names?


The lamb of God is presently seated at the right hand of God.
As Grafted branch put it in post #36 why would that always apply for it to be true?

The 10 kings represent the nations that Rome had concurred to become a huge empire. Did that not happen?

Instead of tiny details like that why not listen to who Jesus said that Babylon the great was?

Revelation 18:24
In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”


Matthew 23:
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

Revelation 18
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”


Only Israel killed both the prophets apostles and the Saints
 
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As Grafted branch put it in post #36 why would that always apply for it to be true?

The 10 kings represent the nations that Rome had concurred to become a huge empire. Did that not happen?

Instead of tiny details like that why not listen to who Jesus said that Babylon the great was?

Revelation 18:24
In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”


Matthew 23:
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

Revelation 18
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”

Only Israel killed both the prophets apostles and the Saints
There is no question that Jerusalem is responsible for killing the tribulation saints as the beast from the sea is the king of babylon and resides in Jerusalem.

But you fail to comprehend,Jerusalem did not reign over the kings of the earth in the first century.She shows her authority over them today.

Revelation 17
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.






Jerusalem did not reign over the ten kings in the first century.Shes been doing whatever she wants to them for quite sometime now She bombed one of their kingdoms just the other day.
 

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As Grafted branch put it in post #36 why would that always apply for it to be true?

The 10 kings represent the nations that Rome had concurred to become a huge empire. Did that not happen?

Instead of tiny details like that why not listen to who Jesus said that Babylon the great was?

Revelation 18:24
In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”


Matthew 23:
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

Revelation 18
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”


Only Israel killed both the prophets apostles and the Saints
PS
Jerusalem is worse now than she ever was.
I have not seen so much beast worship in all my life.
 

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There is no question that Jerusalem is responsible for killing the tribulation saints as the beast from the sea is the king of babylon and resides in Jerusalem.

But you fail to comprehend,Jerusalem did not reign over the kings of the earth in the first century.She shows her authority over them today.

Revelation 17
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.






Jerusalem did not reign over the ten kings in the first century.
Is not the Lord the king over the whole earth did not the lord reside in the temple in Jerusalem?

Zechariah 8:3
Thus says the Lord, ‘I will return to Zion and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of the Lord of hosts will be called the Holy Mountain.’

1 Chronicles 29:11-12

Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are exalted as head above all. Both riches and honor come from you, and you rule over all. In your hand are power and might, and in your hand it is to make great and to give strength to all.

Again instead of tiny details that can be interpreted differently why would you listen to the direct words right out of Jesus's own mouth?
 

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PS
Jerusalem is worse now than she ever was.
I have not seen so much beast worship in all my life.

That doesn't matter Jesus was talking directly to the pharisees in that day who were apostate Israel that is who He called Jerusalem not just a literal city. Context matters
 

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Is not the Lord the king over the whole earth did not the lord reside in the temple in Jerusalem?

Zechariah 8:3
Thus says the Lord, ‘I will return to Zion and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of the Lord of hosts will be called the Holy Mountain.’

1 Chronicles 29:11-12

Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are exalted as head above all. Both riches and honor come from you, and you rule over all. In your hand are power and might, and in your hand it is to make great and to give strength to all.

Again instead of tiny details that can be interpreted differently why would you listen to the direct words right out of Jesus's own mouth?
So you believe the Lord is the ten kings who the whore reigns over?

Not hardly.

Revelation 17

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.





The Lord does not destroy those ten kings who attack Jerusalem till the day of the Lord.
Jesus has not come and killed any kings .


Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
 

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That doesn't matter Jesus was talking directly to the pharisees in that day who were apostate Israel that is who He called Jerusalem not just a literal city. Context matters
And the Pharisees continued to lead the blind for 2000 years .They built synagogues throughout the world and even to this day,their predecessors teach their doctrines in the synagogues. They have the great synagogue in Jerusalem where thier laws are practiced.
 

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And the Pharisees continued to lead the blind for 2000 years .They built synagogues throughout the world and even to this day,their predecessors teach their doctrines in the synagogues. They have the great synagogue in Jerusalem where thier laws are practiced.
Doesn't matter those ones were judged

Did what Jesus say would happen happen in 70AD within that generation Yes or no?

Matthew 23:
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

If yes that why are you confusing it? Just believe in what Jesus said
 

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So you believe the Lord is the ten kings who the whore reigns over?

Not hardly.

Revelation 17

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.





The Lord does not destroy those ten kings who attack Jerusalem till the day of the Lord.
Jesus has not come and killed any kings .


Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
What a ridicules question I won't even answer it.

God judged the city in 70 AD just like He said He would and He even said why.

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

The 10 kings and the Beast do it for Gods purpose as He put it in there hearts.

Revelation 17
15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

This matches perfectly with what Jesus taught below

Matthew 22

22 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.​


4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
 
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But you fail to comprehend,Jerusalem did not reign over the kings of the earth in the first century.She shows her authority over them today.
Who do you propose the kings of the earth are?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

From this verse we know that Jesus Christ is the prince of them.



Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

From this verse we know the harlot reigns over them.



Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

From this verse we know they make war against Jesus (Him on the white horse).



Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

From this verse we know they bring glory and honor to New Jerusalem in the NHNE.



Now, it could be that “the kings of the earth” is a general term used to describe anyone, both believers and unbelievers, that hold some kind of authority (based on context of the verse) on the earth.

What say you? Who do you think the kings of the earth are?
 
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Who do you propose the kings of the earth are?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

From this verse we know that Jesus Christ is the prince of them.



Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

From this verse we know the harlot reigns over them.



Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

From this verse we know they make war against Jesus (Him on the white horse).



Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

From this verse we know they bring glory and honor to New Jerusalem in the NHNE.



Now, it could be that “the kings of the earth” is a general term used to describe anyone, both believers and unbelievers, that hold some kind of authority (based on context of the verse) on the earth.

What say you? Who do you think the kings of the earth are?

Amen and saints are again included in this as well

Revelation 5
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

The bible gives us permission to use these terms in different ways
 
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Okay thanks but remember when Jesus said "37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate." He wasn't talking about the literal city or Jews in general He was talking about apostate Israel in the first centuary
Reformed 1st century preterist fulfillment is false, 66-70AD in the Roman destruction had absolutely nothing to do with fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24 "Nothing"

Reformed Preterism bends and twists the scripture to make their false teaching work, they symbolize in removing future literal events that will take place

Daniel's AOD Matt 24:15, The Great Tribulation Matt:24-21 these are "Future" events unfulfilled
 

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Doesn't matter those ones were judged

Did what Jesus say would happen happen in 70AD within that generation Yes or no?

Matthew 23:
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

If yes that why are you confusing it? Just believe in what Jesus said
Jerusalem is not finished killing the prophets and saints to it.
 

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What a ridicules question I won't even answer it.

God judged the city in 70 AD just like He said He would and He even said why.

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

The 10 kings and the Beast do it for Gods purpose as He put it in there hearts.

Revelation 17
15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

This matches perfectly with what Jesus taught below

Matthew 22

22 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.​


4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
And Jesus never killed the ten kings that fight against him.

The beast and the ten kings have not even killed the two witnesses yet and you believe Jesus destroyed them before they kill the two witnesses.

Your beliefs are ridiculous.
 

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Who do you propose the kings of the earth are?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

From this verse we know that Jesus Christ is the prince of them.



Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

From this verse we know the harlot reigns over them.



Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

From this verse we know they make war against Jesus (Him on the white horse).



Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

From this verse we know they bring glory and honor to New Jerusalem in the NHNE.



Now, it could be that “the kings of the earth” is a general term used to describe anyone, both believers and unbelievers, that hold some kind of authority (based on context of the verse) on the earth.

What say you? Who do you think the kings of the earth are?
The ten horns of the beast are not Christian.They are Muslim and today they are sharing the kingdom with a little horn whos capital is in Jerusalem.(The prostitute).The little horn who's capital is Jerusalem persecutes the saints for 42 months after which it is cast into the lake of fire and consumed.Then the kingdom(promised land )is given to the persecuted saints.They are seen in revelation 20 reigning with Christ in his kingdom.


Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


The three kings which the little horn subdued in 1967 were the kings of Syria,Egypt and Jordan.The war lasted 6 days and the little horn captured the seven hills.




And no,the promised land has not been given to the saints yet.It is given to the saints after the beast is destroyed.
 
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Jerusalem is not finished killing the prophets and saints to it.
Funny how you just make an offhand statement and avoid the question

Its a strait forward did the events that Jesus said would happen happen in 70AD? It was judgement against the people He was talking too