14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

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Phoneman777

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TRUTH #1 - JESUS only speaks TRUTH and HE gave a literal account and NOT a parable.
Did you read the title of this thread? If we make this passage literal, 14 Irresolvable Contradictions arise.
JESUS specifically identified, by name two individuals in His literal account.
Show me the verse where it says "the use of named individuals in any passage automatically makes that passage literal".

I'll wait.
The Scriptures are CLEAR that only the physical body dies and goes back to earth whereas the soul/spirit of a man continues after physical death = GOSPEL , Apostles and Revelation
The Scriptures are clear: at death, the Spirit indeed returns to God (Ecc. 12:7 KJV), but nowhere does it say the Soul "continues after physical death" - the reason is found in Genesis 2:7 KJV, which says the Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the body and the Breath of Life, which stands to reason that, at death, when the Spirit returns to God and the Body to dust, THE SOUL CANNOT BUT CEASE TO EXIST.
Jesus answered and said to them, “You(Phoneman777) are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
Did you miss that part about "the resurrection"? That's not at death, but the end of the world.
But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying,
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
Have you read what the intrepid William Tyndale said to PAPIST SIR THOMAS MORE who used this same text in the same way as you're using it to "prove" immortal soul nonsense? It's AWESOME:

“The true faith putteth forth the resurrection, which we be warned to look for every hour. The heathen philosophers, denying that, did put forth that the souls did ever live. And the Pope joineth the spiritual doctrine of Christ and the fleshly doctrine of philosophers together, things so contrary that they cannot agree no more than the spirit and the flesh do (agree) in a Christian man. And because the fleshly-minded Pope consenteth unto heathen doctrine, therefore he corrupteth the scripture to establish it.​
“And when he (Sir Thomas More) proveth that the saints be in heaven in glory with Christ already, saying, “If God be there God, they be in heaven, for he is not the God of the dead”, there he stealeth Christ's argument wherewith He proveth the resurrection: that Abraham and all the saints should rise again, and not that they souls were in heaven; which doctrine was not yet in the world. And with that doctrine, he (More) taketh away the resurrection quite, and maketh Christ's argument of none effect.​
“Nay, Paul, thou art unlearned. Go to master More and learn a new way. We be not most miserable, though we rise not again; for our souls go to heaven as soon as we be dead, and are there in as great joy as Christ that is risen again. I marvel that Paul had not comforted the Thessalonians with that doctrine if he had wist (known) it – that the souls of their dead had been in joy – as he (comforted them) with the (words of) the resurrection, that their dead should rise again. If the souls be in heaven, in as great glory as the angels, after your doctrine, master More, show me what cause there should be of the resurrection?”​

Wow! Once again, like in so many other of your beliefs, you "Protestants" are found agreeing with the papacy and fighting Protestantism - which is why I always say, just give it up, go get a copy of the Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, then make an appointment with a priest to join the catholic church.
 

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In Luke chapter 16, JESUS stopped speaking in parable form after verse 13
Did you read the title? "14 Irresolvable Contradictions"? Look, if I'm wrong, pick any of them and "resolve" it...capice?
 

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Did you read the title of this thread? If we make this passage literal, 14 Irresolvable Contradictions arise.

Show me the verse where it says "the use of named individuals in any passage automatically makes that passage literal".
This is INSIDER Information and is common knowledge when you know the Scriptures.
 

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YES!! Satan loves to plant seeds of doubt===count the cost=early judgment!!
Yes, Satan "knoweth he hath but a shore time" but he tries to convince us we've got all the time in the world to repent.
 

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This is INSIDER Information and is common knowledge when you know the Scriptures.
By your logic, trees not only can talk but they can make terrible life choices, seeing that Jotham's parable included proper names like "Olive" and "Fig".

I'm still waiting for the verse which says parables can't use proper names. Can you provide one, or do you admit your theology is not based on Scripture, but your OPINIONS about it?
 

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Did you read the title? "14 Irresolvable Contradictions"? Look, if I'm wrong, pick any of them and "resolve" it...capice?
This was already FULLY accomplished in my previous Posts.

Re-Cap:
#1 - JESUS finished his parable in verse 13
#2- JESUS begins LITERAL dialogue in verse 14 and continues in REAL Literal dialogue to verse 31.
#3- The Place where Abraham was, at that time, LITERAL
#4 - JESUS uses real names for REAL Literal persons
#5 - JESUS did not name the rich man for REAL LITERAL REASON
 

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This was already FULLY accomplished in my previous Posts.

Re-Cap:
#1 - JESUS finished his parable in verse 13
#2- JESUS begins LITERAL dialogue in verse 14 and continues to the end of chapter 16
#3- The Place where Abraham was, at that time, LITERAL
#4 - JESUS uses real names for REAL Literal persons
#5 - JESUS did not name the rich man for REAL LITERAL REASON
Nothing but your opinions! Show me a text!

I provided text after text after text for my 14 Irresolvable Contradictions and not only have you failed to pick any one of them apart to show if they're being misused, the only thing YOU'VE PROVIDED is subjective opinion! Have you any idea how this makes you look to anyone watching you fail spectacularly? Any idea how your credibility continues to plummet with each post you write that excludes critical analysis of my proof texts?

Let me help you: 2 Corinthians 5 says there's only TWO kinds of bodies - the mortal we now have and the resurrection body at the end of time. So, how the flip can the Rich Man, Lazarus, and Abraham have bodies if this incident takes place AFTER they die but BEFORE the resurrection?
 

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Jesus often used the name Abraham in a symbolic sense. For example, he told the Jews that God could bring forth children for Abraham even from stones (Matt. 3:9). Clearly, the name "Abraham" had a particular symbolism for the Jews. We know that the Jews boasted of having God's approval as a people because they were descendants of Abraham.

The Bible says that Abraham did not receive in life what was promised to him:

Heb. 11:9 By faith he lived as a foreigner in the land of the promise as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the very same promise. 10For he was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is God. (...) 13In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. 14For those who speak in such a way make it evident that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. 15And yet, if they had kept remembering the place from which they had departed, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But now they are reaching out for a better place, that is, one belonging to heaven. Therefore, God is not ashamed of them, to be called on as their God, for he has prepared a city for them. (...) 39And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, 40because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us.

He is in the same place Daniel is:

Dan. 12:13 “But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days.”
 

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Nothing but your opinions! Show me a text!
JESUS words are not "opinions" = MOST especially when HE is speaking LITERALLY , beginning in verse 14

Let me help you: 2 Corinthians 5 says there's only TWO kinds of bodies - the mortal we now have and the resurrection body at the end of time. So, how the flip can the Rich Man, Lazarus, and Abraham have bodies if this incident takes place AFTER they die but BEFORE the resurrection?
Do not remain in confusion.
It is time for you to UPgrade your understanding.

Clue #1 - Do the good angels that serve God ever appear NAKED in the scriptures or are they clothed?
 

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i LIKED this = ""resolve" it...capice?"
Dave, buddy, I absolutely LOVE IT when you guys fail this spectacularly - there are many people questioning what their lying pulpit prophets have told them and when the Holy Spirit directs them to a thread like this where they see the truth standing on the sure foundation of the Word undergirded with text after text after text, and you guys failing so spectacularly, they abandon the lies and join Seventh-day Adventists worshiping in Spirit and in Truth.
 

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JESUS words are not "opinions" = MOST especially when HE is speaking LITERALLY , beginning in verse 14


Do not remain in confusion.
It is time for you to UPgrade your understanding.
LOL Still no explanation as to how these three dead dudes have bodies BEFORE the resurrection? LOL

Clue #1 - Do the good angels that serve God ever appear NAKED in the scriptures or are they clothed?
Angels are spirits while humans are flesh and bone, genius! Didn't the resurrected Jesus say, "A spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see Me have"? Where does it say humans become "spirits" when they die?

Try again, but I must say, you're an absolute lightweight when it comes to theology.
 

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i would'nt do any lol's right now, if i were you!!!

Clue #2 - Genesis, God made Adam & Eve in NAKEDNESS
HE MADE THEM WITH BODIES...UNDERSTAND? While angels are disembodied spirits which sometimes appears as flesh and bone humans in Scripture, not one single verse says flesh and bone humans can appear as disembodied spirits. If so, show us the texts!
 

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Clue #3 - HE MADE THEM WITH BODIES that were NAKED.................UNDERSTAND???
Who cares? What the flip does that prove?

While angels are disembodied spirits sometimes appearing as flesh and bone humans in Scripture, not one single verse says flesh and bone humans can appear as disembodied spirits. If so, show us the texts!

BTW, "naked" and "unclothed" in 2 Corinthians 5 is symbolic for "lying dead, in the grave, without a body, awaiting the resurrection"...which Paul says in verse 8 he'd rather be absent from his (mortal) body, skip this "naked" and "unclothed" grave part, and just go on to be "present with the Lord" in his resurrection body "of life".
 

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While many people tend to interpret the story of the rich man and Lazarus in a literal manner, they often fail to clarify how the concept of the "righteous" dead resting in Abraham's bosom can be taken literally. Are they truly aware of the meaning of the word "bosom" and its usage throughout the Bible?

For instance, at the Last Supper, the disciple whom Jesus loved reclined at his bosom (John 13:23,25). Additionally, there is a passage that states the Logos was in the bosom of God (John 1:18). Do you understand the implications of this, and why the literal interpretation cannot be applied to "Abraham's bosom" as a literal place where all faithful Jews who died before Christ gathered together?
 

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Luke 16 is not a parable! Parables do not use literal Biblical people, Abraham, Moses, Lazarus!!! Why would Jesus make up a HORROR story? Hell will be filled with BILLIONS of people who don't believe in Hell!
 
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Who cares? What the flip does that prove?

While angels are disembodied spirits sometimes appearing as flesh and bone humans in Scripture, not one single verse says flesh and bone humans can appear as disembodied spirits. If so, show us the texts!

BTW, "naked" and "unclothed" in 2 Corinthians 5 is symbolic for "lying dead, in the grave, without a body, awaiting the resurrection"...which Paul says in verse 8 he'd rather be absent from his (mortal) body, skip this "naked" and "unclothed" grave part, and just go on to be "present with the Lord" in his resurrection body "of life".
Who cares? What the flip does that prove?
It proves that you do not understand.

BTW, "naked" and "unclothed" in 2 Corinthians 5 is symbolic for "lying dead, in the grave, without a body, awaiting the resurrection"...which Paul says in verse 8 he'd rather be absent from his (mortal) body, skip this "naked" and "unclothed" grave part, and just go on to be "present with the Lord" in his resurrection body "of life".
This also proves you do not understand.
 

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There are numerous aspects of the illustration that have already been highlighted, indicating that it should not be taken literally. Even if countless additional details are presented, those who cling to the idea of a torturous hell for human souls will remain unwavering in their belief...

Another point to consider lies in Abraham's words within the illustration. From the statements directed at the rich man enduring figurative torments, one can infer that he is situated in a realm of unending anguish. Yet, Jesus proclaimed that a resurrection would occur for both the righteous AND the wicked, making it clear that the parable is metaphorical and does not depict the actual condition of the deceased. Instead, it illustrates the disillusionment many will face on judgment day, as they come to the realization that their connection to God was not as profound as they had presumed.

Moreover, it is absurd to imagine that individuals would be extracted from a place of supposed flames, later subjected to another judgment for the same they were already paying, and subsequently cast into another location to continue their torment. This scenario clearly reflects a grotesque human scheme designed to inflict an unbearable imaginary suffering on those deemed undesirable, which can in no way stem from a benevolent God like the Father of Jesus.

Jer. 7:29 (...) Jehovah has rejected and will abandon this generation that has infuriated him. 30 ‘For the people of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ declares Jehovah. ‘They have set up their disgusting idols in the house that bears my name, in order to defile it. 31 They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.