The false prophet will be the religious promoter of the beast-king. The beast-king will be over the beast kingdom.
Are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed?
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He is, since he exercised all the power of the ten horned kingdom beast just as the little horn was ruler over the ten headed kingdom beast.
Just like the ten horned beast in Daniel. It was also a kingdom with it's horned ruler destroyed by fire. It's the same with the kingdom beast and it's ruler, the horned beast king both destroyed by fire.
In no passage does the AC world leader ever have a sidekick, not in any book of the bible.
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Nope. There is only the kingdom beast which is many people, and the lone person the FP beast king. Same in Daniel, a ten horned beast kingdom and it's leader, the lone horned person.
The beast-king is the mortally wounded but healed head on the beast (kingdom) out of the sea.
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No, the heads are mountains not people. The beast king is a separate figurative beast, the one with two little horns. In Daniel and Rev the AC figure is the little horn person.
This is like saying the little horn in Daniel is the religious promoter and the ten horned beast is the AC. You have it all wrong in Rev and you are not applying what we know from Daniel that uses the same and similar symbols.
The little horn person of Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 becomes the beast-king, Stage 5. At Stage 3, the little horn person will be anointed the King of Israel, thought to be messiah, becoming the Antichrist by the false prophet.
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There are two prime categories involved in eschatology.
1. time frames of events.
2. the persons involved.
1. Ezekiel 39 provides the framework for which all all time of the end time-frames fit-into, or are associated with.
2. The prime arch villain (human) of the end times, is the little horn, who stands up against the Prince of princes in Daniel 8:25.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Do you see any mention of a "little horn" term in Revelation ? Do you see any mention of "the beast" term for a person in Daniel 8 ?
No.
So it becomes necessary to reconcile that the little horn person becomes the beast person. The transitioning from being the little horn to becoming the beast must fit within the timeline framework of Ezekiel 39.
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The three persons who will be specifically dwelt with at Jesus's return.
1. the beast-king (who the dragon gives him power, Revelation 13:4)
2. the false-prophet (who speaks as a dragon, Revelation 13:11 )
3. the dragon, Satan (Revelation 12:9)
Those three speak as three individual persons. Each having their own mouth.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
It will be Satan, the dragon, indwelling the image of the beast, who will speak.
.So what happens to that image of the beast indwelt by Satan?
Ezekiel 28:
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
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Let me expound a bit on #2.
Rev 6:1 KJV And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
When the lamb opened the 1st Seal, it thunders. Can anyone grasp what it means? Let me try to explain why it points to a resurrection/(redemption) event.
The VISION of Daniel 7 is that of 4 beasts arising from the [great] sea. The INTERPRETATION is that of 4 kings arising "from the earth". This is where people go wrong trying to understand this vision. It's treated like it's a doubly embedded metaphor, when questions are asked, "what does the sea represent? " or "what/who do the kings represent", etc, etc. ARISING FROM THE EARTH, this IS the interpretation. How can we know this to be true?
1. The lake of fire is reserved for eternal damnation for immortals. Two individuals (there may be a few more than that) are sent there for the duration (prior to) of the 1000 years spoken of in Rev 20. They are the beast and false prophet. I think most people have a problem grasping this concept because they are aware of the beast being given a mortal wound. What people don't see, is that the mortal wound is that which would kill an ordinary, mortal human being. Be it doesn't say he is resurrected, but rather that he didn't die..."and did live". The world is not thrown into amazement because he was resurrected, but rather that he can't be killed. And therefore say, "who can make war with the beast? " i.e., who can kill an immortal?
The 2nd beast (of Rev 13) is later referred to as the false prophet. He too is immortal because he is the beast that ascended from the bottomless pit. Both the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.
But there is further proof of these things. In Daniel 12, we are told that AT THAT TIME (when war takes place in heaven) the will be some who are raised to the resurrection of damnation:
Dan 12:2 KJV And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel's 4 king is head over the 4th kingdom. From Daniel 2, we learn that the 10 toes, ala horns, are inclusively a part of the kingdom represented by the great image. It is from Daniel 2 that we also learn that all 4 kingdoms of gold silver, brass and iron are broken to pieces to TOGETHER! AND that this beast from the sea [Rev 13] compositely represents all 4 kingdoms having the mouth of the lion and the feet of the bear and the body of a leopard. This 4th beast is the impetus for uniting all 4 kingdoms in the last days when they are broken together.
The rider on the white horse is this 4th king that "arises from the earth", unrecognizable as being immortal at that time.
The [great] sea that he arises from is the realm of the dead. Jesus described a great gulf fixed that prevents the dead from returning to the land of the living. The Mighty Angel of Rev 10 spans this great gulf when he stands on the earth and the sea. The little book is the book of life of the Lamb. The 4th king had his name in the book of life, but he becomes the Son of perdition in his resurrected body, according to 2 Thess 2...he goeth unto destruction.
This resurrection of these 4 beasts takes place before the 7th Trumpet sounds, and does not unveil the mystery of the resurrection. The mystery will remain a mystery until the giving of reward to the saints and prophets occurs at the 7th trumpet.
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The PuP
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Nope. You are mixing two different prophecies. The little horn is never a separate beast, and the false prophet is never part of the body of the Rev 13:1 beast's body.
The ten horned beasts in both are intended to be the same beast, but I considered Daniel old prophecy replaced by newer prophecy in Rev. Any attempt to harmonize and merge them together will always fail.
Terms like man of sin and Ac are speaking of the same person during the same exact time period, just by two names or titles not that there is one stage as man of sin and another stage as AC.
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That is a kingdom not a person. The ten horned beast is NEVER a person but is a kingdom. This is true in Daniel and Rev.
These are two persons, one human and one a fallen angel.
A river or a kingdom can have a mouth too. Even dirt can, in Genesis.
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No, it does not thunder. There was a voice that he compared to thunder. It's a metaphor.
No, three persons, each with its own mouth. Literal mouths, not metaphorical like the mouth of a river.
the mouth of the beast
the mouth of the false prophet
the mouth of the dragon
Revelation 16:
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Yeah, it is a metaphor. And it represents a resurrection/ redemption event taking place. It's the SECOND of the seven thunders.
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Mouths aren't evidence because nations and even rivers have mouths. Even dirt "spoke" in Genesis. The beast is a kingdom, the FP is a beast king/ruler of that kingdom and the dragon is a fallen angel. Two literal mouths and one symbolic mouth.
Dan_7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Here a beast kingdom has a metaphoric mouth.
Revelation 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
The beast is a "him", not an it, i.e. not a kingdom.
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Wrong. I've studied Greek but you haven't. Beast in the Greek in Rev 19 is a neuter noun not a masculine noun. It is an it, being a kingdom as it is in Daniel 7.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
The seven thunders aren't just thunder either, per se, but are voices. but they sound like thunder to the indiscernible ear.
Rev 10:3 KJV And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
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