Are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed?

Hobie · Feb 22, 2025

We see in Revelation 10 the words being given by the Seven Thunders...

Revelation 10:1-4
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

One view is that the utterance of the Seven Thunders were a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angels’ messages. The first angel’s message can be found in Revelation 14:6-7: The message urges people to focus on God because “the hour of His judgment has come”. The second angel's message is found in Revelation 14:8: "Then a second angel followed, saying, 'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, who has made all the nations drink the wine of the passion of her immorality.'"

This truth is brought to light in verse 7 of Revelation 10. It says the mystery of God would be finished. The mystery of God applies to many things, but primarily in the context of this scripture it applies to the beast, the mark of the beast, and the Three Angels Message.

Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

So are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed? I would say not as a prophecy given for the end time is useless unless unveiled and given to the saints. Now the question becomes what is given by the words of the Seven Thunders...

The PuP · Feb 22, 2025

Hobie said:
We see in Revelation 10 the words being given by the Seven Thunders...

Revelation 10:1-4
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

One view is that the utterance of the Seven Thunders were a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angels’ messages. The first angel’s message can be found in Revelation 14:6-7: The message urges people to focus on God because “the hour of His judgment has come”. The second angel's message is found in Revelation 14:8: "Then a second angel followed, saying, 'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, who has made all the nations drink the wine of the passion of her immorality.'"

This truth is brought to light in verse 7 of Revelation 10. It says the mystery of God would be finished. The mystery of God applies to many things, but primarily in the context of this scripture it applies to the beast, the mark of the beast, and the Three Angels Message.

Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

So are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed? I would say not as a prophecy given for the end time is useless unless unveiled and given to the saints. Now the question becomes what is given by the words of the Seven Thunders...

WHAT the mystery is, is no longer a mystery. The words of the seven thunders and the actuality of the mystery will remain a mystery until the 7th trumpet sounds.
What IS the mystery? We must look at WHAT happens when the 7th trumpet sounds. It is the time when the kingdoms are become the kingdom of God and his Christ. It is the arrival of the kingdom of God, when mortals shall put on immortality (redemption of our bodies) and corruptible men (those who have died) puts on incorruption. The mystery was revealed (as to the what) when Christ rose from the dead. It's the resurrection/redemption of those who belong to Christ into bodies that are free from and without sin. We have a parallel and documented account [example] of what happens when the seven thunders are sounded. You see, [Rev. 10] is not a singular event when all 7 thunders sound. But rather, Rev. 10 is telling us that thunder will sound seven times. They are found in:
1. Rev 4,
2. Rev 6,
3. Rev 8,
4. Rev 11,
5. Rev 14,
6. Rev 16, and
7. Rev 19.

There are 7 resurrection/ redemption events found in the book of Revelation. Those 7 scriptural accounts of thunder correspond to (in parallel fashion) to:

1. The 4 beasts and 24 elders, [rev4]
2. The 4 kings who arise from the earth in Daniel 7 (Rev 6),
3. The saints of the church (Rev 8),
4. Israel's prophets and saints (Rev 11),
5. The 144,000, (Rev 14),
6. The two witnesses (Rev 16), and
7. Those killed by the beast, (Rev 19 when Jesus returns in the white horse).

Be Blessed
The PuP

ewq1938 · Feb 22, 2025

Hobie said:
We see in Revelation 10 the words being given by the Seven Thunders...

Revelation 10:1-4
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Does any scripture say that John or anyone else would unseal what was said and reveal that to anyone?

Verily · Feb 22, 2025

It would appear that you can be caught up into paradise and be told to shut up about those details

Both here

Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

And here

2 Cr 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
2 Cr 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Douggg · Feb 22, 2025

I think in what the seven thunders voices said likely included the name of the beast and/or the name of the false prophet. Thus, John was told not to write down what they said.

John never actually reveals the name of the beast and the false prophet in Revelation. But since John saw people with the name of the beast on their forehead, John knew what the name of the beast was. But was instructed not to release it, I think.

Verily · Feb 22, 2025

Douggg said:
I think in what the seven thunders voices said likely included the name of the beast and/or the name of the false prophet. Thus, John was told not to write down what they said.

John never actually reveals the name of the beast and the false prophet in Revelation. But since John saw people with the name of the beast on their forehead, John knew what the name of the beast was. But was instructed not to release it, I think.

Why do you think John is shown doing the same thing those whose names are not written in the book of life are doing though?

Notice that?

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered G2296 with great admiration.

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? G2296 I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:18 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, G2296 whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Douggg · Feb 22, 2025

Verily said:
Why do you think John is shown doing the same thing those whose names are not written in the book of life are doing though?

I think in Revelation 17:6 wonder with admiration - John was saying how beautiful the woman was.

In Revelation 17:18, the unsaved wondered - i.e. amazed, thinking how could that have happened - that the beast person has been killed and came back to life.

Verily · Feb 22, 2025

Douggg said:
I think in Revelation 17:6 wonder with admiration - John was saying how beautiful the woman was.

In Revelation 17:18, the unsaved wondered - i.e. amazed, thinking how could that have happened - that the beast person has been killed and came back to life.

Theres two places where the word admiration is

One is where having men's persons in admiration (In Jude 1:16) because of advantage

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration G2296 because of advantage.

And a woman drunken with the blood of the saints wondered at by John with great admiration (in Rev 17:6)

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration G2295

Not such a great thing to do in either case. The Angel took notice that John did this when he said,

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? G2296

And would tell him of the mystery of the woman and beast and go on to say, that these same would also wonder (as John did)

Rev 17:18 ...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, G2296 whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world...

If John wondered at her, it just makes me "wonder" too, why is "wonder" a significant part of the mystery here?

ScottA · Feb 22, 2025

Hobie said:
We see in Revelation 10 the words being given by the Seven Thunders...

Revelation 10:1-4
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

One view is that the utterance of the Seven Thunders were a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angels’ messages. The first angel’s message can be found in Revelation 14:6-7: The message urges people to focus on God because “the hour of His judgment has come”. The second angel's message is found in Revelation 14:8: "Then a second angel followed, saying, 'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, who has made all the nations drink the wine of the passion of her immorality.'"

This truth is brought to light in verse 7 of Revelation 10. It says the mystery of God would be finished. The mystery of God applies to many things, but primarily in the context of this scripture it applies to the beast, the mark of the beast, and the Three Angels Message.

Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

So are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed? I would say not as a prophecy given for the end time is useless unless unveiled and given to the saints. Now the question becomes what is given by the words of the Seven Thunders...

No, the words are no longer sealed.

The words are the same words also spoken of by Daniel; and their being sealed or under restraint was also referred to by Paul. The time of their revealing was to be the time of the end. This is that time.

ewq1938 · Feb 23, 2025

Douggg said:
I think in Revelation 17:6 wonder with admiration - John was saying how beautiful the woman was.

In Revelation 17:18, the unsaved wondered - i.e. amazed, thinking how could that have happened - that the beast person has been killed and came back to life.

No beast person is killed and comes back to life in Rev. A non-person is symbolically wounded and heals. No death, no resurrection mentioned in any Rev verses about the beast.

ewq1938 · Feb 23, 2025

Verily said:
Theres two places where the word admiration is

One is where having men's persons in admiration (In Jude 1:16) because of advantage

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration G2296 because of advantage.

And a woman drunken with the blood of the saints wondered at by John with great admiration (in Rev 17:6)

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration G2295

Not such a great thing to do in either case. The Angel took notice that John did this when he said,

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? G2296

And would tell him of the mystery of the woman and beast and go on to say, that these same would also wonder (as John did)

Rev 17:18 ...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, G2296 whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world...

If John wondered at her, it just makes me "wonder" too, why is "wonder" a significant part of the mystery here?

I believe the word would translate in our modern understanding as being "amazed" which can happen at a wonderful thing or a terrible thing, but something one normally does not see or witness.

Verily · Feb 23, 2025

ewq1938 said:
I believe the word would translate in our modern understanding as being "amazed" which can happen at a wonderful thing or a terrible thing, but something one normally does not see or witness.

I included the link to the definition as it pertains to each of them.

The same seem to be inserted in the place around the mystery, the scriptures have the angel note Johns reaction for us, then takes us forward and tells us that this too would be worlds reaction and link that same thing to what is not written in the lambs book of life.

Douggg · Feb 23, 2025

ewq1938 said:
No beast person is killed and comes back to life in Rev. A non-person is symbolically wounded and heals. No death, no resurrection mentioned in any Rev verses about the beast.

The number of the beast's name is 666, the number of a man. The beast-king will be a person. The little horn person in the fifth stage of biblical terms for him. i.e. little horn, prince who shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast-king.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

grafted branch · Feb 23, 2025

Hobie said:
So are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed? I would say not as a prophecy given for the end time is useless unless unveiled and given to the saints. Now the question becomes what is given by the words of the Seven Thunders...

Have you considered that the seven thunders may not have been Godly but Satanic?

Since Satan comes as an angel of light it could be that John was going to write down what was said, thinking it was Godly, when the utterances of the seven thunders could’ve possibly came from the beast with seven heads. John only hears the seven thunders, he doesn’t see where they originated from. In Revelation 13:5 the beast with seven heads speaks great things and blasphemy, this could be the source of the seven thunders uttering their voices.

John doesn’t write down what the thunders said, it’s sealed. In Revelation 22:18 if any man adds unto the words of the prophecies of this book, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. I would think that if someone were to claim they know what the thunders said then they are adding to the book and are going to get the plagues.

So if the actual words of what the seven thunders uttered is considered part of the prophecy of this book then there is the dilemma of Revelation 22:10 saying seal not the prophecy of this book. Whatever the thunders uttered, it either wasn’t prophecy or it was prophecy that can’t be added without receiving the plagues.

I guess this then leads to another dilemma of deciding whether the utterances of the thunders was prophecy or not. If we say it was prophecy when it wasn’t then we have added that as a prophecy to the book; if we say it wasn’t prophecy when it was then we have taken away that as a prophecy from the book.

Hmmm … what to do?

Personally I think the dilemma of the thunders being sealed while the prophecies of the book not being sealed means the utterances of the thunders were not prophetic.

ScottA · Feb 23, 2025

grafted branch said:
Have you considered that the seven thunders may not have been Godly but Satanic?

Since Satan comes as an angel of light it could be that John was going to write down what was said, thinking it was Godly, when the utterances of the seven thunders could’ve possibly came from the beast with seven heads. John only hears the seven thunders, he doesn’t see where they originated from. In Revelation 13:5 the beast with seven heads speaks great things and blasphemy, this could be the source of the seven thunders uttering their voices.

John doesn’t write down what the thunders said, it’s sealed. In Revelation 22:18 if any man adds unto the words of the prophecies of this book, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. I would think that if someone were to claim they know what the thunders said then they are adding to the book and are going to get the plagues.

So if the actual words of what the seven thunders uttered is considered part of the prophecy of this book then there is the dilemma of Revelation 22:10 saying seal not the prophecy of this book. Whatever the thunders uttered, it either wasn’t prophecy or it was prophecy that can’t be added without receiving the plagues.

I guess this then leads to another dilemma of deciding whether the utterances of the thunders was prophecy or not. If we say it was prophecy when it wasn’t then we have added that as a prophecy to the book; if we say it wasn’t prophecy when it was then we have taken away that as a prophecy from the book.

Hmmm … what to do?

Personally I think the dilemma of the thunders being sealed while the prophecies of the book not being sealed means the utterances of the thunders were not prophetic.

The seven thunders were/are not evil or prophetic, but speak of the tribulations of the ages, and the finish of the mystery of God revealed just before the end, the shaking of foundations. In Jesus' words, "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

grafted branch · Feb 23, 2025

ScottA said:
The seven thunders were/are not evil or prophetic, but speak of the tribulations of the ages, and the finish of the mystery of God revealed just before the end, the shaking of foundations. In Jesus' words, "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Well, that could be.

What the seven thunders uttered is sealed. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads and in Revelation 20:2-3 the dragon, serpent which is the devil and Satan has a seal put upon him.

It could also be that Satan has the Revelation 20:3 seal set on him in Revelation 10:4 when the angel says “seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered”.

ScottA · Feb 23, 2025

grafted branch said:
Well, that could be.

What the seven thunders uttered is sealed. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads and in Revelation 20:2-3 the dragon, serpent which is the devil and Satan has a seal put upon him.

It could also be that Satan has the Revelation 20:3 seal set on him in Revelation 10:4 when the angel says “seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered”.

Sorry, I know it is easy to assume we are all speculating. But I was not.

grafted branch · Feb 23, 2025

ScottA said:
Sorry, I know it is easy to assume we are all speculating. But I was not.

You did speculate. If the seven thunders speak of a future tribulation and mystery of God that is revealed just before the end then that is prophetic.

If someone spoke of two tall buildings collapsing by being stuck by flying metal objects which had people in them in the year 500 AD, that would’ve been prophetic.

Without speculating, how is it the seven thunders uttered words about future events without them being prophetic

ewq1938 · Feb 23, 2025

Douggg said:
The number of the beast's name is 666, the number of a man. The beast-king will be a person.

And he is called the false prophet, man of sin and little horn in three dif books.

Douggg said:
The little horn person in the fifth stage of biblical terms for him. i.e. little horn, prince who shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast-king.

There are no such stages. There are only dif names and titles in various books. No stages.

Douggg said:
Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Spoken of the false prophet, the beast king over the beast kingdom.

Douggg · Feb 23, 2025

ewq1938 said:
And he is called the false prophet, man of sin and little horn in three dif books.

The false prophet is not the beast king.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed?

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